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This is (I think) a really interesting and smart summary of a lot of the immediate issues facing the EU at the moment.

https://unherd.com/2019/02/why-europe-cant-cope/


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This is (I think) a really interesting and smart summary of a lot of the immediate issues facing the EU at the moment.

https://unherd.com/2019/02/why-europe-cant-cope/


A Tim Montgomorie mouthpiece...... I'll pass thanks.


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I read it for the laugh, there is absolutely nothing new in it. Italy might be in trouble, wow, insightful


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A guy who found the Toties too pro Europe for his liking. Ffs. :lol:


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I read the first paragraph and had my old history teachers voice in my head saying " where is your evidence for all these assertions."


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The Sun God wrote:
zzzz wrote:
This is (I think) a really interesting and smart summary of a lot of the immediate issues facing the EU at the moment.

https://unherd.com/2019/02/why-europe-cant-cope/


A Tim Montgomorie mouthpiece...... I'll pass thanks.


BDS strikes again


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Darling, I'm looking for travel tips for Poland but TripAdvisor's down.

Fret not petal, try www.totenkopf.de or www.schutzstaffel.com


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Micks are playing a blinder here.


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What about for Berlin honeybuns?

Oooh tricky. Last time I checked, www.bomberharriswasapussy.co.uk was a bit out of date...


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The Sun God wrote:
zzzz wrote:
This is (I think) a really interesting and smart summary of a lot of the immediate issues facing the EU at the moment.

https://unherd.com/2019/02/why-europe-cant-cope/


A Tim Montgomorie mouthpiece...... I'll pass thanks.


Tiger Tim has gone a bit loony since Brexit. For one of the sane ones it is worrying to see.


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zzzz wrote:
Micks are playing a blinder here.


Just waiting for the Euro collapse predictions to come home here first.


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zzzz wrote:
Micks are playing a blinder here.


To be fair you have bowled a slow, knee-high full toss. It's fair game


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This is not the place to bring any negativity about the EU. Doesn't go down at all well.


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zzzz wrote:
Micks are playing a blinder here.


You're the gobshite posting that drivel ...


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A Tim Montgomorie mouthpiece...... I'll pass thanks.

But it's not Tim Montgomerie (who I agree has become increasingly absurd and hysterical over the last couple of years), it's Helen Thompson, Professor of Political Economy at Cambridge. I think that makes it a reasonable a priori assumption that she might be worth reading on the topic.


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Mahoney wrote:
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A Tim Montgomorie mouthpiece...... I'll pass thanks.

But it's not Tim Montgomerie (who I agree has become increasingly absurd and hysterical over the last couple of years), it's Helen Thompson, Professor of Political Economy at Cambridge. I think that makes it a reasonable a priori assumption that she might be worth reading on the topic.


Yeah, but then when you read it you will find you were wrong


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ManInTheBar wrote:
zzzz wrote:
Micks are playing a blinder here.


To be fair you have bowled a slow, knee-high full toss. It's fair game


Really? I posted an opinion piece by the Professor of Political Economy at Cambridge University and and get a bunch of snide bollocks from idiots who are too stupid to realise editor's don't write everything on their paper and some frankly bizzare Nazi allusions.


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I only meant that your post was only ever get this responses.

Not that they were proportionate but just putting a piece out without commentary invites the reaction

Same with rugby posts tbh


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Mahoney wrote:
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A Tim Montgomorie mouthpiece...... I'll pass thanks.

But it's not Tim Montgomerie (who I agree has become increasingly absurd and hysterical over the last couple of years), it's Helen Thompson, Professor of Political Economy at Cambridge. I think that makes it a reasonable a priori assumption that she might be worth reading on the topic.



Interestingly, I think most on the right think Tim has gone the other way - and is now a cozy "One England" centrist! He's certainly very "soft" on Brexit and backs the Withdrawl Bill.


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Mick Mannock wrote:
This is not the place to bring any negativity about the EU. Doesn't go down at all well.


Negativity about the EU and Euro is justified and warranted regularly, much like other governments or whatever. However, much of the commentary on it is ott and irrational.


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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
This is not the place to bring any negativity about the EU. Doesn't go down at all well.


Negativity about the EU and Euro is justified and warranted regularly, much like other governments or whatever. However, much of the commentary on it is ott and irrational.


As is a lot of the commentary on the British and Brexit, and I say that as a committed remainer.


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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
This is not the place to bring any negativity about the EU. Doesn't go down at all well.


Negativity about the EU and Euro is justified and warranted regularly, much like other governments or whatever. However, much of the commentary on it is ott and irrational.


It still does not go down well.


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I only meant that your post was only ever get this responses.

Not that they were proportionate but just putting a piece out without commentary invites the reaction

Same with rugby posts tbh



Seems a bit strange. Not sure what I could have added other than I tht it was a smart analysis! Still - all pretty revealing I guess.


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zzzz wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
I only meant that your post was only ever get this responses.

Not that they were proportionate but just putting a piece out without commentary invites the reaction

Same with rugby posts tbh



Seems a bit strange. Not sure what I could have added other than I tht it was a smart analysis! Still - all pretty revealing I guess.


It reveals little that has not been increasingly obvious for ages. Any article/suggestion that is critical/negative towards the EU gets knees jerking, and wagons circling.


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zzzz wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
I only meant that your post was only ever get this responses.

Not that they were proportionate but just putting a piece out without commentary invites the reaction

Same with rugby posts tbh



Seems a bit strange. Not sure what I could have added other than I tht it was a smart analysis! Still - all pretty revealing I guess.


If it's any consolation, you've posted worse.


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Ireland will bring down the Euro
Greece will bring down the EU
The PIIGS will bring down the EU
Eh it's just Greece again but it's going to happen
The Dutch will elect a far right Government
The immigration crises will bring down the EU
The French will elect Le Pen and bring down the EU

And now it's Italy

When they're wrong here it will become Hungary or fúcking Malta


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Mullet 2 wrote:
Ireland will bring down the Euro
Greece will bring down the EU
The PIIGS will bring down the EU
Eh it's just Greece again but it's going to happen
The Dutch will elect a far right Government
The immigration crises will bring down the EU
The French will elect Le Pen and bring down the EU

And now it's Italy

When they're wrong here it will become Hungary or fúcking Malta


Indeed and at the same time they are sleep walking into a massive crisis


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zzzz wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
zzzz wrote:
Micks are playing a blinder here.


To be fair you have bowled a slow, knee-high full toss. It's fair game


Really? I posted an opinion piece by the Professor of Political Economy at Cambridge University and and get a bunch of snide bollocks from idiots who are too stupid to realise editor's don't write everything on their paper and some frankly bizzare Nazi allusions.


The frankly bizarre allusions were thrown in by me - and I accept they are indeed totally OTT - to point out that it is not and cannot be permissable to seperate the content of an opinion from its source, not just its author but it's publisher/delivery channel. I'm trying to hammer that lesson home to my kids and guess I got stuck in the rails.

No more than that. Just a heavy handed reminder to dig deeper in order to frame whatever content might follow.

The EU has major issues to deal with and one upshot of what now appears to be the inevitable peeling away of Britain which I find upsetting, was that it has taken something as drastic as this to bring needed debate on the future of the EU to the surface, only to see it submerged again in the hysteria wrought by proximity to the precipice. Mea culpa on that score.

I believe this debate SHOULD have been possible from within an EU construct. And whether that is practical, realistic, or fanciful - time will tell.

The dust is going to need to settle on this before calmer debate can occur.


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Mick Mannock wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
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This is not the place to bring any negativity about the EU. Doesn't go down at all well.


Negativity about the EU and Euro is justified and warranted regularly, much like other governments or whatever. However, much of the commentary on it is ott and irrational.


It still does not go down well.


What does that mean?

This bored had reams of commentary on the Irish debt crisis, the Greek one and the recent Apple Tax case, for example.

As usual, Mick's delusions about the "Micks" gets in the way of reality.


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redderneck wrote:
zzzz wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
zzzz wrote:
Micks are playing a blinder here.


To be fair you have bowled a slow, knee-high full toss. It's fair game


Really? I posted an opinion piece by the Professor of Political Economy at Cambridge University and and get a bunch of snide bollocks from idiots who are too stupid to realise editor's don't write everything on their paper and some frankly bizzare Nazi allusions.


The frankly bizarre allusions were thrown in by me - and I accept they are indeed totally OTT - to point out that it is not and cannot be permissable to seperate the content of an opinion from its source, not just its author but it's publisher/delivery channel. I'm trying to hammer that lesson home to my kids and guess I got stuck in the rails.

No more than that. Just a heavy handed reminder to dig deeper in order to frame whatever content might follow.

The EU has major issues to deal with and one upshot of what now appears to be the inevitable peeling away of Britain which I find upsetting, was that it has taken something as drastic as this to bring needed debate on the future of the EU to the surface, only to see it submerged again in the hysteria wrought by proximity to the precipice. Mea culpa on that score.

I believe this debate SHOULD have been possible from within an EU construct. And whether that is practical, realistic, or fanciful - time will tell.

The dust is going to need to settle on this before calmer debate can occur.


Fair enough - but you should give unherd a go. There's some interesting stuff on it. As well as Helen Thompson - who's very smart in my book and a bit of an EU sceptic - they also have that shouty-crackers-starkers woman who, err, isn't.


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Mullet 2 wrote:
Ireland will bring down the Euro
Greece will bring down the EU
The PIIGS will bring down the EU
Eh it's just Greece again but it's going to happen
The Dutch will elect a far right Government
The immigration crises will bring down the EU
The French will elect Le Pen and bring down the EU

And now it's Italy

When they're wrong here it will become Hungary or fúcking Malta



Yep, all those issues are solved.


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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
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This is not the place to bring any negativity about the EU. Doesn't go down at all well.


Negativity about the EU and Euro is justified and warranted regularly, much like other governments or whatever. However, much of the commentary on it is ott and irrational.


It still does not go down well.


What does that mean?

This bored had reams of commentary on the Irish debt crisis, the Greek one and the recent Apple Tax case, for example.

As usual, Mick's delusions about the "Micks" gets in the way of reality.


You are obsessed with what you think is my obsession.
I doubt you understand delusions anyway.


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Mullet 2 wrote:
Ireland will bring down the Euro
Greece will bring down the EU
The PIIGS will bring down the EU
Eh it's just Greece again but it's going to happen
The Dutch will elect a far right Government
The immigration crises will bring down the EU
The French will elect Le Pen and bring down the EU

And now it's Italy

When they're wrong here it will become Hungary or fúcking Malta


Hmm, conceivably one or more of the above could have occured (or could still occur). However, you just can't shake the impression that any such analysis all too often falls foul of the author's own sincere desire to see any one of them transpire in the most spectacular manner possible.

I mean, the often intense interest in recent European elections - and a particular focus on the far-right - within the British press and from some of our English friends on here, seems to be more than merely academic in nature.


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bimboman wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Ireland will bring down the Euro
Greece will bring down the EU
The PIIGS will bring down the EU
Eh it's just Greece again but it's going to happen
The Dutch will elect a far right Government
The immigration crises will bring down the EU
The French will elect Le Pen and bring down the EU

And now it's Italy

When they're wrong here it will become Hungary or fúcking Malta



Yep, all those issues are solved.



An on que the dumbass is here again to tell us all of them are still going to bring down the EU :lol:


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Conservative Eddie wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Ireland will bring down the Euro
Greece will bring down the EU
The PIIGS will bring down the EU
Eh it's just Greece again but it's going to happen
The Dutch will elect a far right Government
The immigration crises will bring down the EU
The French will elect Le Pen and bring down the EU

And now it's Italy

When they're wrong here it will become Hungary or fúcking Malta


Hmm, conceivably one or more of the above could have occured (or could still occur). However, you just can't shake the impression that any such analysis all too often falls foul of the author's own sincere desire to see any one of them transpire in the most spectacular manner possible.

I mean, the often intense interest in recent European elections - and a particular focus on the far-right - within the British press and from some of our English friends on here, seems to be more than merely academic in nature.


These people had convinced themselves the UK was the first domino.

Turns out they were last in the line and they knocked it over facing out


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bimboman wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Ireland will bring down the Euro
Greece will bring down the EU
The PIIGS will bring down the EU
Eh it's just Greece again but it's going to happen
The Dutch will elect a far right Government
The immigration crises will bring down the EU
The French will elect Le Pen and bring down the EU

And now it's Italy

When they're wrong here it will become Hungary or fúcking Malta



Yep, all those issues are solved.


The usual from Bimbo.

"The Euro will collapse"

*3 years later"

"I didn't say when, those issues are still there, it will definitely collapse"

Rinse, repeat.


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Mick Mannock wrote:
Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
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This is not the place to bring any negativity about the EU. Doesn't go down at all well.


Negativity about the EU and Euro is justified and warranted regularly, much like other governments or whatever. However, much of the commentary on it is ott and irrational.


It still does not go down well.


What does that mean?

This bored had reams of commentary on the Irish debt crisis, the Greek one and the recent Apple Tax case, for example.

As usual, Mick's delusions about the "Micks" gets in the way of reality.


You are obsessed with what you think is my obsession.
I doubt you understand delusions anyway.


The "I know you are but what am I" route. Sweet response.

I just give you the facts.

The Irish debt crisis got reams of discussion and criticism from the bored/Irish - FACT
Ditto the Greek crisis and the Euro - FACT
The EU State Aid case against Apple/Ireland, lots of coverage - FACT

You pretend that it doesn't happen and the only explanation is that you're delusional.

The reality is that most of the Irish here are extremely annoyed that the UK are leaving because they were a good ally in Europe. Laughing at the lies of Brexiteers is a different kettle of fish altogether.


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If the Eurozone enters that recession with the ECB also deploying Quantitative Easing, it will be in near mind-bogglingly unprecedented territory.

Hasn’t Japan been printing money for 20 years with negative interest rates and experienced recessions?


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zzzz wrote:
redderneck wrote:
zzzz wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
zzzz wrote:
Micks are playing a blinder here.


To be fair you have bowled a slow, knee-high full toss. It's fair game


Really? I posted an opinion piece by the Professor of Political Economy at Cambridge University and and get a bunch of snide bollocks from idiots who are too stupid to realise editor's don't write everything on their paper and some frankly bizzare Nazi allusions.


The frankly bizarre allusions were thrown in by me - and I accept they are indeed totally OTT - to point out that it is not and cannot be permissable to seperate the content of an opinion from its source, not just its author but it's publisher/delivery channel. I'm trying to hammer that lesson home to my kids and guess I got stuck in the rails.

No more than that. Just a heavy handed reminder to dig deeper in order to frame whatever content might follow.

The EU has major issues to deal with and one upshot of what now appears to be the inevitable peeling away of Britain which I find upsetting, was that it has taken something as drastic as this to bring needed debate on the future of the EU to the surface, only to see it submerged again in the hysteria wrought by proximity to the precipice. Mea culpa on that score.

I believe this debate SHOULD have been possible from within an EU construct. And whether that is practical, realistic, or fanciful - time will tell.

The dust is going to need to settle on this before calmer debate can occur.


Fair enough - but you should give unherd a go. There's some interesting stuff on it. As well as Helen Thompson - who's very smart in my book and a bit of an EU sceptic - they also have that shouty-crackers-starkers woman who, err, isn't.
Thanks, M. Ronfleur. Enjoyed my toes' first dip into Unherd's limpid waters:

https://unherd.com/2019/02/why-are-illiberal-universities-unchallenged/


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