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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:17 pm 
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The below competition model was tabled with union CEOs and International Rugby Players in September 2018:

- Nations Championship to debut in 2022.
- The Six Nations, the Rugby Championship and British & Irish Lions completely retained and protected as jewels in the calendar.
- Two-division, merit-based format with promotion and relegation and a potential pathway for all unions.
- Two conferences comprising the Six Nations and the Rugby Championship (where two tier two teams would be immediately added to make six in total).
- Each team plays the other 11 teams once either home or away with points accumulated throughout counting towards a league table.
- Top two teams from each conference would play cross-conference semi-finals, followed by a grand final.
- Running in two of the four years in the World Cup cycle (not running in a World Cup year and truncated version in a Lions year).
- Broadcast rights aggregated and collectively sold, increasing revenue potential. Possibility to centralise some sponsorship rights.
- The competition would provide qualification and seeding for future World Cups.
- World Cup to be enhanced as the pinnacle global event, potentially moving to 24 teams in 2027.

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‘Player welfare is fundamental to our sport. Within the original proposal, players would play a maximum of 13 matches if their team reaches the final, compared to an average of between 12 and 14 test matches presently. Most teams would play 11 matches,’ the statement added.

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‘Contrary to reports, our proposed competition provides opportunities for all teams to compete at the top level on merit, with promotion and relegation. Under this model, the Pacific Islands and all teams outside the current Six Nations and the Rugby Championship would have a potential pathway.

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/nations-championship-concept-clarified/

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Maybe change the thread title to Turd Polished


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Ugh. Promotion/relegation is such horseshit for international sport. Certainly in the short term you'll just see teams yo-yo-ing up and down for drubbings by those at the top

The problem is rugby has historically been a small, niche sport and is expanding. Those at the top of the game cannot fulfil everything that's asked of them by various stakeholders:
1) Satisfy their support base with competitive games (i.e. no 50 point drubbings rather than a hokey league structure because otherwise games are considered meaningless 'friendlies'
2) Loyalty to hugely popular, historic rivalries that engage supporters
3) Look after their players
4) Give every aspirational nation the desired amount of exposure to higher quality rugby

There's not enough space for the USA, 3 Pacific Islands, Georgia, Romania, Japan, Canada to keep trying to get more games against the best, especially if the number of credible tier 2 nations increases. What needs to happen is a greater focus on establishing quality around them so that the American competition and the other European competition become great in their own right.


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FFS. Theres a reason why theres a world cup and theres a reason why its every four years. if you want a semi annual pissing contest have a one off test between winners of 6N and SH Comp to see whos top. Or just invest in a better touring structure. F*ck the developing countries.


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FFS. Theres a reason why theres a world cup and theres a reason why its every four years. if you want a semi annual pissing contest have a one off test between winners of 6N and SH Comp to see whos top. Or just invest in a better touring structure. F*ck the developing countries.

I suppose they get more money from tv if there's an actual competition :P

But I agree, the occasional grand slam tours, mid year 3 test tours, etc. are more attractive to me


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If they're really after the money so much, why not just make the RWC every 3 years instead of 4? Or would the more frequent calendar disruption piss off the clubs too much?


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They are utterly inept and out of touch with the tier 1 supporters. We are happy with the way things are so flock off.


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If they're really after the money so much, why not just make the RWC every 3 years instead of 4? Or would the more frequent calendar disruption piss off the clubs too much?

Home nations and the TRC teams lose money in an RWC year.


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Broadcast rights aggregated and collectively sold, increasing revenue potential. Possibility to centralise some sponsorship rights.


The only reason the two SH World Rugby employees are pushing this. To let the SH get its hands on some of the 6N money.

A pure money, and consequent power, grab.


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Broadcast rights aggregated and collectively sold, increasing revenue potential. Possibility to centralise some sponsorship rights.


The only reason the two SH World Rugby employees are pushing this. To let the SH get its hands on some of the 6N money.

A pure money, and consequent power, grab.

I think this, in rugby terms, is a broadcaster's wet dream. The tv monies will be more than the 6N, RC, midyear tours and AIs monies combined. The only reason the USA and Japan are in the mix is to get their money as well


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I for one Approve this version of the proposal.


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More info

https://twitter.com/WorldRugby/status/1103310725815115776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1103310725815115776&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iol.co.za%2Fsport%2Frugby%2Finternational%2Fwatch-every-match-will-count-in-new-world-rugby-nations-championship-19679330

Seems it's not necessarily USA and Japan who will be in the mix


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Hmm, so these are the two divisions listed

European Conference Div 1 = 6 Nations
European Conference Div 2 = Georgia, Romania, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Belgium

ROTW Conference Div 1 = RC + Fiji and Japan
ROTW Conference Div 2 = Tonga, USA, Samoa, Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia

... however they mention that when the comp begins the two extra ROTW Div 1 spots will be based on rankings.

Pro/Rel for all divisions, including the 6Ns. That will be popular.


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Hmm, so these are the two divisions listed

European Conference Div 1 = 6 Nations
European Conference Div 2 = Georgia, Romania, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Belgium

ROTW Conference Div 1 = RC + Fiji and Japan
ROTW Conference Div 2 = Tonga, USA, Samoa, Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia

... however they mention that when the comp begins the two extra ROTW Div 1 spots will be based on rankings.

Pro/Rel for all divisions, including the 6Ns. That will be popular.

The 6N situation will be interesting. They have protected Italy's participation for a while now but this might open the door for them to drop Italy when they don't perform, which they haven't


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They've also specified a third tier that can be promoted to T2, then T1 if they're successful (as unlikely as that will be)

China to dominate the Huawei World League* in 2050 :thumbup:

*competition formerly known as the RWC which was discontinued in 2030


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naki wrote:
Hmm, so these are the two divisions listed

European Conference Div 1 = 6 Nations
European Conference Div 2 = Georgia, Romania, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Belgium

ROTW Conference Div 1 = RC + Fiji and Japan
ROTW Conference Div 2 = Tonga, USA, Samoa, Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia

... however they mention that when the comp begins the two extra ROTW Div 1 spots will be based on rankings.

Pro/Rel for all divisions, including the 6Ns. That will be popular.

The 6N situation will be interesting. They have protected Italy's participation for a while now but this might open the door for them to drop Italy when they don't perform, which they haven't


It can't happen. Promotion or relegation in the 6 Nations would require all members to vote for it. World Rugby's authority over the tournament is minimal.


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If you separate out the promotion/relegation aspect from the competition structure, then my observations would be:

From a NH perspective, it is play 6N as usual, play same number of summer tests, play similar number of November tests. However, the 'traditional' number of November tests used be 3, but is increasingly becoming 4. Now it is going to be up to 5, and a minimum of 3 - unless they move to a 4th test in the summer (highly doubt it). From a practical perspective you have the six 6N teams going 'south' and/or 'east' and/or 'west' during the summer. How will those tests break down between the big 4 SH and the 'other two'? 2 against the big 4 and 1 against the others I assume?
Thats a fair bit of airtime for the summer tours. I can imagine the clubs going bananas about the extra test(s) during the autumn, as you'd imagine most nations would realistically have to allow for being able to field their best players - so removing them from the club game for that weekend.
If you look at the November tours, then you have 21 games, 18 in the 'regular' comp and 3 'knockout' games. There is also the promotion/relegation game- not sure when that is being played, or whether it is a single game or a home/away format. So overall the schedule doesn't look THAT different for most teams - the major differences between more airtime in the summer and keeping more weekends free/'devalued' (from the club perspective) in the November.

The three MAJOR concerns for me are:
a) isn't it effectively a world cup in disguise? And as such, won't it effectively either eat its own lunch (i.e. take away from the importance/excitement of the world cup) or be such a poor imitation that people won't really care?
b) What is the format in the Lions year? None of the home nations are going to want to go to any of the 'big 4' with a denuded team. The article linked below says 'truncated' fixtures in Lions year, but the video from WR (https://www.world.rugby/video/403128) only says no promotion/relegation.
c) If there is no relegation from the Rugby Championship or the 6N, then how do the fixtures work if (for example) Italy got relegated from this new comp, but stayed in the 6N, then what happens? Italy would now be playing 5 matches (6N) that aren't part of the new competition, and there are 5 teams that they need to play? That would be (at least) 16 games that year. The other 5 teams would also have to find another slot to play Italy's replacement (say Georgia)

I'm not sure (a) can be overcome. (b) I guess could be managed if we accept that there is no trophy that year, or a smaller un-balanced fixture list. I can't see how (c) can be overcome unless we bring in promotion/relegation from the 6N and RC

Overall, I think you have to give some allowance to WR - they have to look at a way to get more regular, meaningful games for the Tier 2 nations. But player welfare has to come first.......you'd hope.
In the end, for better or worse, it'll all come down to money. Maybe buying the support of the current 'big 10' for promotion/relegation with large parachute payments. And accepting a less prestigious WC in return for more money spread over the 4 year cycle.

Another consequence would be a lack of variety in the November internationals compared to the current scenario - right now in addition to RC countries visiting, you usually have a selection of Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, US, Canada, Japan - plus occasionally Romania, Georgia etc. We'd only see 2 of those in any year in the current format:-(


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Jensrsa wrote:
naki wrote:
Hmm, so these are the two divisions listed

European Conference Div 1 = 6 Nations
European Conference Div 2 = Georgia, Romania, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Belgium

ROTW Conference Div 1 = RC + Fiji and Japan
ROTW Conference Div 2 = Tonga, USA, Samoa, Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia

... however they mention that when the comp begins the two extra ROTW Div 1 spots will be based on rankings.

Pro/Rel for all divisions, including the 6Ns. That will be popular.

The 6N situation will be interesting. They have protected Italy's participation for a while now but this might open the door for them to drop Italy when they don't perform, which they haven't


It can't happen. Promotion or relegation in the 6 Nations would require all members to vote for it. World Rugby's authority over the tournament is minimal.

If the 6N agree to the new Nations Championships it can


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Hmm, so these are the two divisions listed

European Conference Div 1 = 6 Nations
European Conference Div 2 = Georgia, Romania, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Belgium

ROTW Conference Div 1 = RC + Fiji and Japan
ROTW Conference Div 2 = Tonga, USA, Samoa, Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia

... however they mention that when the comp begins the two extra ROTW Div 1 spots will be based on rankings.

Pro/Rel for all divisions, including the 6Ns. That will be popular.

The 6N situation will be interesting. They have protected Italy's participation for a while now but this might open the door for them to drop Italy when they don't perform, which they haven't


It can't happen. Promotion or relegation in the 6 Nations would require all members to vote for it. World Rugby's authority over the tournament is minimal.

If the 6N agree to the new Nations Championships it can



They won't.


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Another consequence would be a lack of variety in the November internationals compared to the current scenario - right now in addition to RC countries visiting, you usually have a selection of Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, US, Canada, Japan - plus occasionally Romania, Georgia etc. We'd only see 2 of those in any year in the current format:-(


It's locked into a schedule of finals in November, so that will always be in the NH. Good job on alienating half the globe there. It's also locking in the established teams... promotion / relegation means SFA when it comes to greater exposure for the Tier 2 teams and only adds novelty value instead of greater variety.


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Jensrsa wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
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naki wrote:
Hmm, so these are the two divisions listed

European Conference Div 1 = 6 Nations
European Conference Div 2 = Georgia, Romania, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Belgium

ROTW Conference Div 1 = RC + Fiji and Japan
ROTW Conference Div 2 = Tonga, USA, Samoa, Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia

... however they mention that when the comp begins the two extra ROTW Div 1 spots will be based on rankings.

Pro/Rel for all divisions, including the 6Ns. That will be popular.

The 6N situation will be interesting. They have protected Italy's participation for a while now but this might open the door for them to drop Italy when they don't perform, which they haven't


It can't happen. Promotion or relegation in the 6 Nations would require all members to vote for it. World Rugby's authority over the tournament is minimal.

If the 6N agree to the new Nations Championships it can


If one of the conditions is that they have to accept prom/rel in 6 Nations then they won't agree to the NC. Simples.


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IT report on the latest proposals.

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World Rugby proposal would see Six Nations relegation in 2022
Six Nations side could face three years out due to World Cups or Lions tours
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World Rugby’s “Nations Championship” proposal includes promotion and relegation from the Six Nations.

The governing body confirmed that their plan for a 12-team league, if adopted, would see Ireland or another country relegated from the Six Nations in 2022.

A return to the Six Nations and top tier could not happen until 2025 as there would be no promotion or relegation in the British and Irish Lions and World Cup years.

“With the proposed model incorporating competitions that are not owned or run by World Rugby, not all unions are presently in favour of immediate promotion and relegation,” World Rugby (WR) stated. “We continue to consider the feedback, but remain absolutely committed to an eventual pathway for all.”

At least two current members of the Six Nations are believed to be strongly resisting relegation.

In a WR statement seeking to clarify their position following widespread criticism from elite players and tier two unions this past week, they also confirmed the intention to introduce five Test matches in an expanded November window.

Johnny Sexton, in his role as International Rugby Players’ Council (IRPC) president, branded this idea as “out of touch” and showing “little understanding of the physical strain” of players being made to play “five incredibly high level Test matches in consecutive weeks in November”.

As it stands, ahead of World Rugby’s emergency meeting with several stakeholders, including Japan and Fiji, on March 14th in Dublin, the best two teams will be required to play five Test matches in November. WR will suggest a “fallow week” which would mean five Test matches being played over six weeks, and so stretching into December.

This would immediately impact the resumption of the Champions Cup while overlapping with the Pro 14, English Premiership and Top 14 schedules.

“Player welfare is fundamental to our sport. Within the original proposal, players would play a maximum of 13 matches if their team reaches the final, compared to an average of between 12 and 14 Test matches presently. Most teams would play 11 matches.” Ireland played 12 Test matches in 2018.


An alternative proposal, which could also be tabled next Thursday, is to abandon the semi-finals and only play a Grand Final in December.

What would certainly change is Ireland’s three Test summer tour of one southern hemisphere country. Instead there would be three fixtures at separate venues, anywhere from Buenos Aries to Cape Town.

The urgency around these discussions is so WR can take advantage of a rare window when broadcast deals for each international competition are being re-negotiated. The governing body believes this can still include free to air televisions stations.

“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

World Rugby are adamant the addition of two countries to the 12-team Nations Championship from outside the Six Nations and current Rugby Championship sides – South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Argentina – will be decided upon world rankings alone.

Media reports had linked Japan and USA as the two teams despite both being ranked below Fiji (ninth in current standings), but WR emphatically denied this to be their intention.

They also stated the Lions will be “retained and protected as jewels in the calendar” alongside the Six Nations and Rugby Championship.

The IRPC are to meet World Rugby on Monday before discussing any updated proposals with their members.

That means key figures on the council, namely Sexton and Owen Farrell, could be involved in three meetings the week of their final Six Nations matches.

“We have an agreement with World Rugby which requires meaningful engagement on key player welfare issues, however, too often information fails to be provided in a manner that allows players to realistically influence the outcome,” said IRP chief executive Omar Hassanein.

“For the benefit of our game and to ensure we avoid situations where players feel they have to take a public stand, the relationship with World Rugby and the basis upon which we interact on key issues needs to be a lot more meaningful and effective. This will be central to our discussions when we meet as a team next week.”

World Rugby’s Nations Championship
To start in 2022 with promotion and relegation between 12-team tier one and tier two leagues in seasons when there is no Lions tour or World Cup.

The Six Nations, Rugby Championship and Lions to be “completely retained and protected as jewels in the calendar.” (although every country can be relegated from the Six Nations and Rugby Championship).

World rankings determine the extra two countries added to tier one league. Also, league determines qualification and seeding for World Cups, which would “potentially” increase to 24 teams in 2027.

Each team plays the other 11 teams once either home or away (in summer and November) with points accumulated throughout counting towards a league table. Top two teams from each conference would play cross-conference semi-finals, followed by a Grand Final in December.



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Hmm, so these are the two divisions listed

European Conference Div 1 = 6 Nations
European Conference Div 2 = Georgia, Romania, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Belgium

ROTW Conference Div 1 = RC + Fiji and Japan
ROTW Conference Div 2 = Tonga, USA, Samoa, Uruguay, Hong Kong, Namibia

... however they mention that when the comp begins the two extra ROTW Div 1 spots will be based on rankings.

Pro/Rel for all divisions, including the 6Ns. That will be popular.


Canada in ROTW Div 3 - Alright! Bring on Bolivia and Bermuda. We might win some games. Thanks, RC.


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“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

The crux of the matter.

6N will approve, Sanzaar will approve. Deal done


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“With the proposed model incorporating competitions that are not owned or run by World Rugby, not all unions are presently in favour of immediate promotion and relegation,” World Rugby (WR) stated. “We continue to consider the feedback, but remain absolutely committed to an eventual pathway for all.”

At least two current members of the Six Nations are believed to be strongly resisting relegation.


These nations will never be in favour of pro/rel, which makes the entire concept a waste of time.

Can't see how this league would ever get off the ground without ring-fencing, yet WR cannot possibly ring-fence a competition of this scale and still call themselves "World" Rugby with a straight face.

Odds still firmly on the status quo remaining for the foreseeable future.


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“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

The crux of the matter.

6N will approve, Sanzaar will approve. Deal done



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Jensrsa wrote:
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“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

The crux of the matter.

6N will approve, Sanzaar will approve. Deal done


The 6Ns will never approve. They would never tinker with an ancient competition that goes back two decades.


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Jensrsa wrote:
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“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

The crux of the matter.

6N will approve, Sanzaar will approve. Deal done

So to remain as is they will have to bring in at least twice what the 6N brings in at the moment, simply to keep the 6N payment the same, and that is assuming no monies to Tier2 and Tier 3.

To pay for those you must be talking, and this is off the top of my head, at least three times, if not more, current 6N monies.

Is this realistic ?


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naki wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

The crux of the matter.

6N will approve, Sanzaar will approve. Deal done


The 6Ns will never approve. They would never tinker with an ancient competition that goes back two decades.


Alright, we'll get Italy the fudge out of it with no one else coming in and go back to the 5 nations which has more than a century behind it, to say nothing of the extent of our shread non-rugby history.


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naki wrote:
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camroc1 wrote:
“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

The crux of the matter.

6N will approve, Sanzaar will approve. Deal done


The 6Ns will never approve. They would never tinker with an ancient competition that goes back two decades.


That'll be more than two decades and they would never accept ever tinkering with the best year on year competition ever.


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Frodder wrote:
naki wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

The crux of the matter.

6N will approve, Sanzaar will approve. Deal done


The 6Ns will never approve. They would never tinker with an ancient competition that goes back two decades.


That'll be more than two decades and they would never accept ever tinkering with the best year on year competition ever.


Eh? Italy in 2000, France in 1910. Georgia in 2050, probably.


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camroc1 wrote:
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camroc1 wrote:
“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

The crux of the matter.

6N will approve, Sanzaar will approve. Deal done

So to remain as is they will have to bring in at least twice what the 6N brings in at the moment, simply to keep the 6N payment the same, and that is assuming no monies to Tier2 and Tier 3.

To pay for those you must be talking, and this is off the top of my head, at least three times, if not more, current 6N monies.

Is this realistic ?

Add the 6N monies, the EOYT monies, the SANZAAR monies and the midyear tour monies. Then add more money on top of that.

RFU reported an operating loss of £30m in 17/18, Wales and Scotland are struggling financially (I assume Ireland too), the SANZAAR nations are struggling financially.

They all need a boost in income


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“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

The crux of the matter.

6N will approve, Sanzaar will approve. Deal done


The 6Ns will never approve. They would never tinker with an ancient competition that goes back two decades.


That'll be more than two decades and they would never accept ever tinkering with the best year on year competition ever.


Eh? Italy in 2000, France in 1910. Georgia in 2050, probably.


mate, like football not being invented in 1992 our wonderful competition has been around since the 19th century. We even let England in after they thought it was too good for them


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The Guinness sponsorship of the 6N is £100m over 6 years, that is approx £ 17m per annum.

Three times that is approx £ 50m per annum.

That is £300m for a six year term.

Who's going to pay that ?


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The Guinness sponsorship of the 6N is £100m over 6 years, that is approx £ 17m per annum.

Three times that is approx £ 50m per annum.

That is £300m for a six year term.

Who's going to pay that ?

We're talking about tv monies, not sponsorships.

The last SANZAAR tv deal was over $500m over 3 years, including SR but excluding the Sky Europe deal.

A World comp will generate close to a $1bn deal over 3 years, if not more. And that's before spin-off deals

The Guiness sponsorship will probably remain in place for the 6N just as the current sponsors for each country in the RC will remain in place


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Not going to happen.

The Six Nations and Rugby Championship teams will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever agree to promotion and relegation.


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6N TV rights are divided between the competing countries and subject to FTA legislation in some of them. Getting a single broadcaster in will not be easy.


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Whatever a World League comp may or may not generate in terms of broadcasting/sponsorship money, it will inevitably cut into the value of the RWC (by the far the biggest money spinner for WR and developing nations).

Will this annual - or biannual - comp eventually generate more income than the prestigious and established quadrennial comp? Unlikely.


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