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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:22 pm 
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Whatever a World League comp may or may not generate in terms of broadcasting/sponsorship money, it will inevitably cut into the value of the RWC (by the far the biggest money spinner for WR and developing nations).

Will this annual - or biannual - comp eventually generate more income than the prestigious and established quadrennial comp? Unlikely.

Absolutely.


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Another consequence would be a lack of variety in the November internationals compared to the current scenario - right now in addition to RC countries visiting, you usually have a selection of Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, US, Canada, Japan - plus occasionally Romania, Georgia etc. We'd only see 2 of those in any year in the current format:-(


It's locked into a schedule of finals in November, so that will always be in the NH. Good job on alienating half the globe there. It's also locking in the established teams... promotion / relegation means SFA when it comes to greater exposure for the Tier 2 teams and only adds novelty value instead of greater variety.



Lots of us have seen this. Half empty stadiums after the first year. Unions earning much less with their stadiums as a result. I mean say Scotland or Italy get relegated after the first season, you think Murryfield will sell-out with Scotland vs Canada as their biggest game in November in a sub-6 Nations game? Absolutely not.It stinks for the fans.


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Not going to happen.

The Six Nations and Rugby Championship teams will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever agree to promotion and relegation.


The RC unions will, and seemingly already have. The 6Ns won't and probably never will. Understandably so.


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6N TV rights are divided between the competing countries and subject to FTA legislation in some of them. Getting a single broadcaster in will not be easy.

The SANZAAR deal currently is split between SuperSport (SA) and Fox (Oz & NZ) with Sky also in the mix somewhere, for the NH I think

You don't need one broadcaster, they do a combined offer


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guy smiley wrote:
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Another consequence would be a lack of variety in the November internationals compared to the current scenario - right now in addition to RC countries visiting, you usually have a selection of Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, US, Canada, Japan - plus occasionally Romania, Georgia etc. We'd only see 2 of those in any year in the current format:-(


It's locked into a schedule of finals in November, so that will always be in the NH. Good job on alienating half the globe there. It's also locking in the established teams... promotion / relegation means SFA when it comes to greater exposure for the Tier 2 teams and only adds novelty value instead of greater variety.



Lots of us have seen this. Half empty stadiums after the first year. Unions earning much less with their stadiums as a result. I mean say Scotland or Italy get relegated after the first season, you think Murryfield will sell-out with Scotland vs Canada as their biggest game in November in a sub-6 Nations game? Absolutely not.It stinks for the fans.


If the Aussies keep Cheika or if the Boks get a another Coetzee they could be relegated!!!


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Not going to happen.

The Six Nations and Rugby Championship teams will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever agree to promotion and relegation.


The RC unions will, and seemingly already have. The 6Ns won't and probably never will. Understandably so.


I smell a stitch up. They say they will agree to Promotion and Relegation and when the 6N refuse they can say "it's not our fault, but OK" and the stitch up still happens


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6N TV rights are divided between the competing countries and subject to FTA legislation in some of them. Getting a single broadcaster in will not be easy.

The SANZAAR deal currently is split between SuperSport and Fox with Sky also in the mix somewhere

You don't need one broadcaster, they do a combined offer

France and Italy currently do their own exclusive deals. They will be reluctant to give them up. Similarly UK and Ireland (south) deals are separate, and certainly in Ireland subject to various restrictions on FTA and replay broadcasters and slots.

In other words, legislatively the 6N TV deal is not 'clean' and won't be either for the new competition.


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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


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naki wrote:
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Not going to happen.

The Six Nations and Rugby Championship teams will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever agree to promotion and relegation.


The RC unions will, and seemingly already have. The 6Ns won't and probably never will. Understandably so.


SANZAAR have been pushing for the global season concept for ages, with the support of the international players. The muted support from the NH seems to centre of resistance to changing the 6N.

It looks to me that WR are stuck on this concept as the only answer to that dilemma... and IMO it falls well short of some ideal I'm not clear about yet.

The potential broadcast rights earnings will be interesting, that always brings the cows home.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:31 pm 
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camroc1 wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
6N TV rights are divided between the competing countries and subject to FTA legislation in some of them. Getting a single broadcaster in will not be easy.

The SANZAAR deal currently is split between SuperSport and Fox with Sky also in the mix somewhere

You don't need one broadcaster, they do a combined offer

France and Italy currently do their own exclusive deals. They will be reluctant to give them up. Similarly UK and Ireland (south) deals are separate, and certainly in Ireland subject to various restrictions on FTA and replay broadcasters and slots.

In other words, legislatively the 6N TV deal is not 'clean' and won't be either for the new competition.

No it won't but when Ireland, France and Italy find they can earn substantially more they'll be interested


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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.


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Jensrsa wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
6N TV rights are divided between the competing countries and subject to FTA legislation in some of them. Getting a single broadcaster in will not be easy.

The SANZAAR deal currently is split between SuperSport and Fox with Sky also in the mix somewhere

You don't need one broadcaster, they do a combined offer

France and Italy currently do their own exclusive deals. They will be reluctant to give them up. Similarly UK and Ireland (south) deals are separate, and certainly in Ireland subject to various restrictions on FTA and replay broadcasters and slots.

In other words, legislatively the 6N TV deal is not 'clean' and won't be either for the new competition.

No it won't but when Ireland, France and Italy find they can earn substantially more they'll be interested

And why , exactly, will they be earning considerably more ?


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Jensrsa wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
6N TV rights are divided between the competing countries and subject to FTA legislation in some of them. Getting a single broadcaster in will not be easy.

The SANZAAR deal currently is split between SuperSport and Fox with Sky also in the mix somewhere

You don't need one broadcaster, they do a combined offer

France and Italy currently do their own exclusive deals. They will be reluctant to give them up. Similarly UK and Ireland (south) deals are separate, and certainly in Ireland subject to various restrictions on FTA and replay broadcasters and slots.

In other words, legislatively the 6N TV deal is not 'clean' and won't be either for the new competition.

No it won't but when Ireland, France and Italy find they can earn substantially more they'll be interested


Not when Italy realise they'll be relegated in the first season and can't get back up for years.


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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.

It seems the bottom side in each "conference" will be up for relegation


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guy smiley wrote:
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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.


The RC sides have two low ranked buffer teams in their division. They're not ever going to be relegated.

The 6N buffer team is a 6N team.


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guy smiley wrote:
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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.

6N deals not up 'til 2021. No idea about SH deal.

Also remember that the 6N unions have already been burnt by the English Premiership snakeoil salesmen with regard to projected revenues with the NTHCSBH, and will probably want to see actual bids before believing any figures.


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Jensrsa wrote:
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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.

It seems the bottom side in each "conference" will be up for relegation


See above.


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camroc1 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.

6N deals noytup 'til 2021. No idea about SH deal.

But negotiations are starting this year already, which is why the NC is targeted for 2022


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CM11 wrote:
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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.

It seems the bottom side in each "conference" will be up for relegation


See above.

A lot of negotiations and arm bending will be needed still


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camroc1 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.

6N deals not up 'til 2021. No idea about SH deal.

Also remember that the 6N unions have already been burnt by the English Premiership snakeoil salesmen with regard to projected revenues with the NTHCSBH, and will probably want to see actual bids before believing any figures.


Not to mention being internally burned for the 6N deal.


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CM11 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.


The RC sides have two low ranked buffer teams in their division. They're not ever going to be relegated.

The 6N buffer team is a 6N team.


Ok, I see your point. The centuries old tradition of always playing a weak 6th team must be preserved.


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CM11 wrote:
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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.


The RC sides have two low ranked buffer teams in their division. They're not ever going to be relegated.

The 6N buffer team is a 6N team.


A well-prepared Fiji, getting all their players (that the NH clubs allow them to release) together for a number of months and earning decent coin for a change will fvck some faces up. We saw what Japan could do to South Africa. Argentina are immediately vulnerable.

No one is really safe from relegation in this scenario, though obviously Italy are more vulnerable than most.


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guy smiley wrote:
CM11 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.


The RC sides have two low ranked buffer teams in their division. They're not ever going to be relegated.

The 6N buffer team is a 6N team.


Ok, I see your point. The centuries old tradition of always playing a weak 6th team must be preserved.

Said country is currently a co-owner of the 6N tournament. It won't be voting to give that up to end up in a Tier 2 tournament.


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guy smiley wrote:
CM11 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.


The RC sides have two low ranked buffer teams in their division. They're not ever going to be relegated.

The 6N buffer team is a 6N team.


Ok, I see your point. The centuries old tradition of always playing a weak 6th team must be preserved.


:roll:

There will always be a weak team in this format. My point is that the risk is minimal when the RC sides vote but if all of the 6N sides voted for it, one would have voted to be relegated for definite. It's asking turkeys to vote for christmas (well, one specific turkey) .


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naki wrote:
CM11 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.


The RC sides have two low ranked buffer teams in their division. They're not ever going to be relegated.

The 6N buffer team is a 6N team.


A well-prepared Fiji, getting all their players (that the NH clubs allow them to release) together for a number of months and earning decent coin for a change will fvck some faces up. We saw what Japan could do to South Africa. Argentina are immediately vulnerable.

No one is really safe from relegation in this scenario, though obviously Italy are more vulnerable than most.


Why would the Fijians have greater access or preparation than they currently do?


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Have Japan, or Fiji ever been ranked higher than Nz, OZ or SA ?


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Hang on, how is the RC protected? It can't retain its home and away format going by the statement that all sides will play 11 games a year plus potentially two knockout games.


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CM11 wrote:
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CM11 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.


The RC sides have two low ranked buffer teams in their division. They're not ever going to be relegated.

The 6N buffer team is a 6N team.


A well-prepared Fiji, getting all their players (that the NH clubs allow them to release) together for a number of months and earning decent coin for a change will fvck some faces up. We saw what Japan could do to South Africa. Argentina are immediately vulnerable.

No one is really safe from relegation in this scenario, though obviously Italy are more vulnerable than most.


Why would the Fijians have greater access or preparation than they currently do?


Because joining the RC is very different than playing, say, the Pacific Nations Cup. WR and SANZAAR would have to insist on it to make the comp even close to viable and competitive. It would have to be an improvement on the current scenario of Fiji Rugby having to virtually beg their players to join international camps and comps for little to no money.

... but of course, that could just be for one season. They could be back in the Tier 2 wilderness the very next year. Or that could happen to Australia. I hope that happens to Australia.


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Have Japan, or Fiji ever been ranked higher than Nz, OZ or SA ?


Not yet


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naki wrote:
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Hang on, the RC teams are all but protected from relegation but a 6N team is up for relegation every competition?

:lol:

If all 6N teams have to vote unanimously then there is no chance of this happening.

It might happen if the bottom side overall was relegated.


I disagree with your analysis. The relegation threat is live for all of them. Recent history shows how vulnerable a SH team could be... Australia have struggled of late and SA had a very lean period prior to that.



Talk of broadcast deals is missing one major factor... WR are trying to get this in now before new deals are signed. Current contracts are up soon.


The RC sides have two low ranked buffer teams in their division. They're not ever going to be relegated.

The 6N buffer team is a 6N team.


A well-prepared Fiji, getting all their players (that the NH clubs allow them to release) together for a number of months and earning decent coin for a change will fvck some faces up. We saw what Japan could do to South Africa. Argentina are immediately vulnerable.

No one is really safe from relegation in this scenario, though obviously Italy are more vulnerable than most.

On the same page prohibit any kind of poaching and you will see many actual "champions"being extremely vulnerable.


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Hang on, how is the RC protected? It can't retain its home and away format going by the statement that all sides will play 11 games a year plus potentially two knockout games.


It won't. One-off games only, similar to the 6Ns.


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So the RC will actually be no more?


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So the RC will actually be no more?


In it's current format, yes. It would be SANZAAR + 2, and while no one would actually lament the loss of the existing comp very much any major overhaul like this is fraught with pitfalls both large and small.

For instance, what happens to the Bledisloe? Both RA and NZR would not be happy with just a single test each year.

And how would SA deal with missing out on an All Black test every second year? It's currently their only guaranteed sell-out fixture each year.

What happens if Tonga get promoted? They are currently forced to hold home tests against major nations in NZ because their facilities are not up to scratch.

It's a bold move


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So the RC will actually be no more?


In it's current format, yes. It would be SANZAAR + 2, and while no one would actually lament the loss of the existing comp very much any major overhaul like this is fraught with pitfalls both large and small.

For instance, what happens to the Bledisloe? Both RA and NZR would not be happy with just a single test each year.

And how would SA deal with missing out on an All Black test every second year? It's currently their only guaranteed sell-out fixture each year.

What happens if Tonga get promoted? They are currently forced to hold home tests against major nations in NZ because their facilities are not up to scratch.

It's a bold move


Yup. Pisstaking aside, I’ve no issue with changing the current structures but only if the replacement is a genuine attempt to include more games against lower ranked nations in a way that shares revenue fairly and promotes growth in the game. I don’t see this proposal doing that.

I like that Australian relegation idea though. Ooh yes.


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“Under the proposed competition, media rights would be combined, enabling greater consistency and overall value,” added the statement.

“Strong interest from media entities has indicated that the model would boost annual media revenue for international rugby and unions, for reinvestment in the game, by a substantial amount.”

The crux of the matter.

6N will approve, Sanzaar will approve. Deal done

So to remain as is they will have to bring in at least twice what the 6N brings in at the moment, simply to keep the 6N payment the same, and that is assuming no monies to Tier2 and Tier 3.

To pay for those you must be talking, and this is off the top of my head, at least three times, if not more, current 6N monies.

Is this realistic ?

Add the 6N monies, the EOYT monies, the SANZAAR monies and the midyear tour monies. Then add more money on top of that.

RFU reported an operating loss of £30m in 17/18, Wales and Scotland are struggling financially (I assume Ireland too), the SANZAAR nations are struggling financially.

They all need a boost in income

Are they? I think they've both nearly cleared their debt. The Welsh regions are a shit show granted but Wales had a bumper year last year(could be due a fall this year as it's only 2 home games). We're fine, though could come under pressure with the PRL due to break out the CVC money. In fact all the Pro14 countries bar SA and Wales have at least one side performing well.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:17 pm 
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How does this supposed revenue boost work when the product is shortened for the Lions and nullified by the RWC? It’s got built in shortcomings... so either the deal includes access to RWC and the Lions or it’s open to renegotiation down the track and the whole thing becomes a prostituted mess with no tradition or history.

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Given the holes in the current idea, and the likelihood of vested interests (understandably) not voting for it, I would the following have any merit

6N sides, plus RC sides, plus next two highest ranked teams post WC (or even pre, if necessary for getting logistics together) go into a competition/structure, lets call it A. Next 12 go into B, Next 16 go into C.

So for now that would be Fiji and Japan plus 6N + RC in competition A. Put them in two pools 6N plus others, called say A1 and A2
Competition B would be Georgia (currently 12th) down to Netherlands (currently 24th). Put them in two equal pools, say B1 and B2
Competition C, probably along lines WR already suggested.

From a 6N perspective then, the itineraries might look like:

2020 - play 6N sides in spring (5 games), plus 2 from A2 (on a rotation) and 1 from B1 or B2 during the summer, plus another 2 from A2 (on rotation) plus 2 from B1 or B2
2021 - play 6N sides in spring (5 games), play 2 from B1/B2 during the summer, play 2 from A2 (on rotation) plus 2 from B1 or B2
2022 - play 6N sides in spring (5 games), plus 2 from A2 (on a rotation) and 1 from B1 or B2 during the summer, plus another 2 from A2 (on rotation) plus 2 from B1 or B2
2023 - 6N as usual. No summer games

That would see each 6N side play 6N games as usual, play 10 tests against fellow top ranked non-6N sides in world over 3 years, plus play 10 tests against Tier 2 sides over 3 years
B1/B2 sides could play similarly against each other and/or against C sides.

I haven't done any comparison against current/recent fixtures, but my general sense is a couple fewer tests (for 6N sides) against other tier 1 (non 6N) sides over a 3 year, with more against tier 2. Teams to qualify and be seeded for WC based on the new format


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Two more positions revealed. Apparently Saffas and the French are for this proposal.

From what we've heard so far

For
_____
Kiwis
Saffas
Pumas
France
World Rugby

Against
______
Scots
Italy

Others still Unknown.

Something tells me 6N are evenly split, otherwise all talk of this would be over by now, the fact that it's still going on means they are also interested.


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Absolute toilet of an idea. Put Ireland and England in the against column. Ireland will be silly to give up their gate money to other unions and aren’t broke. Their end of year financial situation is dictated by 6 Nations prize money as it increases based on your placing. Potential relegation puts you at risk. England signing up to this will strain their relationship with PRL which took years to build and the revenue details are so vague with no indication of what each union will receive.

I would imagine Wales would be at risk. They often tank after Lions years which often sends them down to fifth. Last year they got away with it due to England and France playing poor Rugby.

The 6 Nations relegation will never happen. It is a privately run competition so the IRB and broke unions like SARU, UAR and ARU can’t tell them how to run it. The competition also funds professional and community rugby in each of the 6 Nations. Without it clubs and players will struggle to get paid. It is also not their responsibility to look after corrupt officials who arrange poxy commercial deals and can’t fill stadiums south of the equator.

The UAR and ARU are banging for this because they are broke and nearly out of money. Super Rugby will likely shrink which will further reduce the tv deal. They don’t have the brand that the NZRU do generate revenue off their own back. SARU are showing more tact as they are trying to enter their other four skint Super Rugby teams in to the union run Pro 14.


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FullbackAce wrote:
Two more positions revealed. Apparently Saffas and the French are for this proposal.

From what we've heard so far

For
_____
Kiwis
Saffas
Pumas
France
World Rugby

Against
______
Scots
Italy

Others still Unknown.

Something tells me 6N are evenly split, otherwise all talk of this would be over by now, the fact that it's still going on means they are also interested.


After the RWC vote, it's fairly clear the IRFU want to move away from the WRU and SRU. Even in the Pro14 they have discussed bringing in more teams from SA/Europe/Georgia while the Welsh regional game is collapsing. Can't say I blame them tbh.


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