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Izzy is at it again,

I guess he won't be going to Japan?


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RWC to be moved to hell?


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Rugby Australia has described an Israel Folau social media post, in which the full-back says "hell awaits" gay people, as "unacceptable".

Folau, 30, escaped punishment for similar comments last year, with the governing body saying it accepted - but did not support - his "position".

On Wednesday, he posted on Instagram that "drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolaters" should "repent" because "only Jesus saves", and made similar remarks on Twitter.

He sent a tweet criticising the Tasmanian parliament, which has become the first Australian state to make it legally optional to list gender on birth certificates.

In a statement, Rugby Australia said the post "does not represent the values of the sport and is disrespectful to members of the rugby community", adding that its integrity unit had been "engaged on the matter".

Folau's posts were made exactly one year after he met rugby chiefs to limit his use of social media.

He was widely criticised for his anti-gay posts in April 2018 and was also involved in a disagreement with the national team in 2017 after saying that he was opposed to same-sex marriage.

Folau signed a four-year deal with Super Rugby side Waratahs in March.


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Optional to list gender on a birth cert?

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Mullet 2 wrote:
Optional to list gender on a birth cert?

FFS

Should just list sex, male or female.

Gender is just a societal construct playa. :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:28 pm 
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God help anyone who disagrees with The Narrative.


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binge90 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Optional to list gender on a birth cert?

FFS

Should just list sex, male or female.

Gender is just a societal construct playa. :thumbup:

Ah sure some would go so far as to argue that binary and fixed sex is also a societal construct! I've been reading my Judy Butler.

Anyways, fúck Folau, tosser.


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unseenwork wrote:
binge90 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Optional to list gender on a birth cert?

FFS

Should just list sex, male or female.

Gender is just a societal construct playa. :thumbup:

Ah sure some would go so far as to argue that binary and fixed sex is also a societal construct! I've been reading my Judy Butler.

Anyways, fúck Folau, tosser.



Go on argue that fixed sex is a cocietal construct ....


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I just don't understand why people care on either thing.

Firstly, it says they made the listing of gender optional. To my understanding, that doesn't mean they can pick and choose. They can list it or not. I don't give a shit if they don't.

Secondly, my response to Folau's comments on gay people is exactly the same as if someone told me, "I believe in a giant purple snail who will slime you forever in the hereafter if you have blue eyes". That response being ... "umm ... okay mate. I'll leave you to it.".

I just don't understand all the outrage about either thing.


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binge90 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Optional to list gender on a birth cert?

FFS

Should just list sex, male or female.

Gender is just a societal construct playa. :thumbup:


As on the other thread, the issue here is a semantic one of people having conflated sex and gender for so long.

The latter, a social construct, has no medical relevance and so can be excluded. The former, no matter what you may later identify as, has medical implications for the entirety of your life and needs to be recorded.


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God help anyone who disagrees with The Narrative.



I dunno, as a card-carrying fornicator and atheist, being told by some twat that I'm going to burn in some hell of his isn't very endearing. Who I choose not to believe in, or who I give multiple orgasms to, is none of his business and really not grounds for him to be judging people upon.


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bimboman wrote:
unseenwork wrote:
binge90 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Optional to list gender on a birth cert?

FFS

Should just list sex, male or female.

Gender is just a societal construct playa. :thumbup:

Ah sure some would go so far as to argue that binary and fixed sex is also a societal construct! I've been reading my Judy Butler.

Anyways, fúck Folau, tosser.



Go on argue that fixed sex is a cocietal construct ....

Why?


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Turbogoat wrote:
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God help anyone who disagrees with The Narrative.



I dunno, as a card-carrying fornicator and atheist, being told by some twat that I'm going to burn in some hell of his isn't very endearing. Who I choose not to believe in, or who I give multiple orgasms to, is none of his business and really not grounds for him to be judging people upon.


But as an atheist you dont believe in hell anyway. So he might as well say all gays should be exiled to the unicorns.


Is it a good thing? is it a bad thing? is it a thing?


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So drunks aren't allowed in a religion where one of the big things the main dude is famous for, is turning water into wine...


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nardol wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Rowdy wrote:
God help anyone who disagrees with The Narrative.



I dunno, as a card-carrying fornicator and atheist, being told by some twat that I'm going to burn in some hell of his isn't very endearing. Who I choose not to believe in, or who I give multiple orgasms to, is none of his business and really not grounds for him to be judging people upon.


But as an atheist you dont believe in hell anyway. So he might as well say all gays should be exiled to the unicorns.


Is it a good thing? is it a bad thing? is it a thing?


Yup, that's why I had to add "hell of his" as it was inevitable this was going to come up. (PR is getting very very predictable)
He's still judging me, whether I believe in his particular form of retribution or not. It doesn't have to be effective "punishment" for it to still equate to judgement.


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So drunks aren't allowed in a religion where one of the big things the main dude is famous for, is turning water into wine...

all in moderation (except pedophilia)


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nardol wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Rowdy wrote:
God help anyone who disagrees with The Narrative.



I dunno, as a card-carrying fornicator and atheist, being told by some twat that I'm going to burn in some hell of his isn't very endearing. Who I choose not to believe in, or who I give multiple orgasms to, is none of his business and really not grounds for him to be judging people upon.


But as an atheist you dont believe in hell anyway. So he might as well say all gays should be exiled to the unicorns.


Is it a good thing? is it a bad thing? is it a thing?


If someone who sincerely believes in it tells you that according to their belief system some of your innocuous behaviours warrant being tortured for eternity, that's a lot of ill will and bad intent on their part which I would reciprocate whole-heartedly. Doesn't matter if there's a reality behind it.


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sockwithaticket wrote:
binge90 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Optional to list gender on a birth cert?

FFS

Should just list sex, male or female.

Gender is just a societal construct playa. :thumbup:


As on the other thread, the issue here is a semantic one of people having conflated sex and gender for so long.

The latter, a social construct, has no medical relevance and so can be excluded. The former, no matter what you may later identify as, has medical implications for the entirety of your life and needs to be recorded.



:lol: :lol:

Fúck off hippy


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unseenwork wrote:
bimboman wrote:
unseenwork wrote:
binge90 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Optional to list gender on a birth cert?

FFS

Should just list sex, male or female.

Gender is just a societal construct playa. :thumbup:

Ah sure some would go so far as to argue that binary and fixed sex is also a societal construct! I've been reading my Judy Butler.

Anyways, fúck Folau, tosser.



Go on argue that fixed sex is a cocietal construct ....

Why?



Well it’s the equivalent of claiming the moon is made of cheese, so it’d be great to see the logic.


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
I just don't understand why people care on either thing.

Firstly, it says they made the listing of gender optional. To my understanding, that doesn't mean they can pick and choose. They can list it or not. I don't give a shit if they don't.

Secondly, my response to Folau's comments on gay people is exactly the same as if someone told me, "I believe in a giant purple snail who will slime you forever in the hereafter if you have blue eyes". That response being ... "umm ... okay mate. I'll leave you to it.".

I just don't understand all the outrage about either thing.


I agree with this - except - you have to take into account the crimes that have been committed against homosexuals in the past (and present). Folau uses his belief in the sky wizard to further put homosexualaity into an 'evil' category - thus dehumanizing folk who are gay.

And that is dangerous - and that deserves outrage.

I still don't understand why Folau has such strong attitudes against people he classes as sinners - yet openly flaunts tattoo's (which are apparently against God) and has indulged in pre-marital sex.


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Mullet 2 wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
binge90 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Optional to list gender on a birth cert?

FFS

Should just list sex, male or female.

Gender is just a societal construct playa. :thumbup:


As on the other thread, the issue here is a semantic one of people having conflated sex and gender for so long.

The latter, a social construct, has no medical relevance and so can be excluded. The former, no matter what you may later identify as, has medical implications for the entirety of your life and needs to be recorded.



:lol: :lol:

Fúck off hippy


I'm still saying male or female should be listed, just under a different word.

Now go eat a pie or summat.


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Turbogoat wrote:
nardol wrote:
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Rowdy wrote:
God help anyone who disagrees with The Narrative.



I dunno, as a card-carrying fornicator and atheist, being told by some twat that I'm going to burn in some hell of his isn't very endearing. Who I choose not to believe in, or who I give multiple orgasms to, is none of his business and really not grounds for him to be judging people upon.


But as an atheist you dont believe in hell anyway. So he might as well say all gays should be exiled to the unicorns.


Is it a good thing? is it a bad thing? is it a thing?


Yup, that's why I had to add "hell of his" as it was inevitable this was going to come up. (PR is getting very very predictable)
He's still judging me, whether I believe in his particular form of retribution or not. It doesn't have to be effective "punishment" for it to still equate to judgement.



Why on earth would you give a f uck if you’re being judged on a metric you don’t even believe exists ?


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
I just don't understand why people care on either thing.

Firstly, it says they made the listing of gender optional. To my understanding, that doesn't mean they can pick and choose. They can list it or not. I don't give a shit if they don't.

Secondly, my response to Folau's comments on gay people is exactly the same as if someone told me, "I believe in a giant purple snail who will slime you forever in the hereafter if you have blue eyes". That response being ... "umm ... okay mate. I'll leave you to it.".

I just don't understand all the outrage about either thing.


And your response if some guy came upto your and called you a m*therf***ing c**t? I mean those things are also likely not true, but I suspect you'd take offence over it?


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
I just don't understand why people care on either thing.

Firstly, it says they made the listing of gender optional. To my understanding, that doesn't mean they can pick and choose. They can list it or not. I don't give a shit if they don't.

Secondly, my response to Folau's comments on gay people is exactly the same as if someone told me, "I believe in a giant purple snail who will slime you forever in the hereafter if you have blue eyes". That response being ... "umm ... okay mate. I'll leave you to it.".

I just don't understand all the outrage about either thing.


I agree with this - except - you have to take into account the crimes that have been committed against homosexuals in the past (and present). Folau uses his belief in the sky wizard to further put homosexualaity into an 'evil' category - thus dehumanizing folk who are gay.

And that is dangerous - and that deserves outrage.


I still don't understand why Folau has such strong attitudes against people he classes as sinners - yet openly flaunts tattoo's (which are apparently against God) and has indulged in pre-marital sex.


Bet he eats shellfish and wears clothes made of two different types of fabric too, the hypocrite.


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Turbogoat wrote:
Rowdy wrote:
God help anyone who disagrees with The Narrative.



I dunno, as a card-carrying fornicator and atheist, being told by some twat that I'm going to burn in some hell of his isn't very endearing. Who I choose not to believe in, or who I give multiple orgasms to, is none of his business and really not grounds for him to be judging people upon.


Ah.

But do you believe there is a hell? :twisted:


<edit> Too slow!!!


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Should we not be blaming Islam who teaches this? Follywolly is just doing what his religion tells him to.

Or does Islam get a free pass?


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Turbogoat wrote:
Rowdy wrote:
God help anyone who disagrees with The Narrative.



I dunno, as a card-carrying fornicator and atheist, being told by some twat that I'm going to burn in some hell of his isn't very endearing. Who I choose not to believe in, or who I give multiple orgasms to, is none of his business and really not grounds for him to be judging people upon.


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Also he needs help. He clearly is someone who has issues if he believes such hateful rhetoric.

Take it from someone who was raised as a Jehovahs Witness, religious people are the most intolerant and judgemental dickheads around


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sockwithaticket wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
binge90 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Optional to list gender on a birth cert?

FFS

Should just list sex, male or female.

Gender is just a societal construct playa. :thumbup:


As on the other thread, the issue here is a semantic one of people having conflated sex and gender for so long.

The latter, a social construct, has no medical relevance and so can be excluded. The former, no matter what you may later identify as, has medical implications for the entirety of your life and needs to be recorded.



:lol: :lol:

Fúck off hippy


I'm still saying male or female should be listed, just under a different word.

Now go eat a pie or summat.



Gender is a construct.

It's clear sausage is what you like eating.


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Also he needs help. He clearly is someone who has issues if he believes such hateful rhetoric.

Take it from someone who was raised as a Jehovahs Witness, religious people are the most intolerant and judgemental dickheads around

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Also he needs help. He clearly is someone who has issues if he believes such hateful rhetoric.

Take it from someone who was raised as a Jehovahs Witness, religious people are the most intolerant and judgemental dickheads around



A whobie whatie?


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Should we not be blaming Islam who teaches this? Follywolly is just doing what his religion tells him to.

Or does Islam get a free pass?


You appear to have mixed up your Antipodean dickheads. Money Bill is the Muslim. Folau's a Christian.


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Also he needs help. He clearly is someone who has issues if he believes such hateful rhetoric.

Take it from someone who was raised as a Jehovahs Witness, religious people are the most intolerant and judgemental dickheads around

Raised as a Jehovah's Witness in Longford and mover to Hull?


Fuck me, that's unlucky.


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Damn.

My whole plan for this was to go down the route: well keewees have lost their ability to criticise Islam of late ..


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Nolanator wrote:
DragonKhan wrote:
Also he needs help. He clearly is someone who has issues if he believes such hateful rhetoric.

Take it from someone who was raised as a Jehovahs Witness, religious people are the most intolerant and judgemental dickheads around

Raised as a Jehovah's Witness in Longford and mover to Hull?


Fuck me, that's unlucky.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

f**king tell me about it!!!


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bimboman wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
nardol wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Rowdy wrote:
God help anyone who disagrees with The Narrative.



I dunno, as a card-carrying fornicator and atheist, being told by some twat that I'm going to burn in some hell of his isn't very endearing. Who I choose not to believe in, or who I give multiple orgasms to, is none of his business and really not grounds for him to be judging people upon.


But as an atheist you dont believe in hell anyway. So he might as well say all gays should be exiled to the unicorns.


Is it a good thing? is it a bad thing? is it a thing?


Yup, that's why I had to add "hell of his" as it was inevitable this was going to come up. (PR is getting very very predictable)
He's still judging me, whether I believe in his particular form of retribution or not. It doesn't have to be effective "punishment" for it to still equate to judgement.



Why on earth would you give a f uck if you’re being judged on a metric you don’t even believe exists ?


Because the demonization of gay people is a real thing.

Folau might be a hero to a kid going through some pretty confusing times and then to see your sporting idol say that the way you are is inherently evil can not be a good thing.

But of course the usual contrarians will be contrarian


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Check out joe marler's tweet on the matter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMarler/st ... 7458217984


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Check out joe marler's tweet on the matter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMarler/st ... 7458217984


:lol: :thumbup:


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Check out joe marler's tweet on the matter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMarler/st ... 7458217984


:lol: :thumbup:


Which of you is
- Will Davy, or
- Lee Behjet


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So drunks aren't allowed in a religion where one of the big things the main dude is famous for, is turning water into wine...

all in moderation (except pedophilia)
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