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Voting intentions this Thursday
Cons 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Lab 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
Lib Dems 35%  35%  [ 23 ]
The Brexit Party 42%  42%  [ 27 ]
Change 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
UKIP 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
SNP 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
DUP 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
The Gavin Henson Free Wales Popular Front 14%  14%  [ 9 ]
Total votes : 65
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 4:47 pm 
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Like a lot of major organisations, the NHS is a great engine for the national distribution of wealth.

Sewa is right to a significant extent; the local spin offs, not just in tax revenue but the purchase of local services and equipment, the creation of skills, the housing distribution; take into account not just money, but add in the wellbeing across your nation.

Of course, overall benefits are limited by the waste due to inefficiencies within the system


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 Post subject: Re: The Brexit Party.
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:02 pm 
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sewa wrote:
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Well that's a question that requires a very detailed answer and I am not in a position to answer it right now. The status quo with a common EU army would do me for now off the top of my head

So you are happy if the last 40 years of closer and closer union stops at this point in time with just the addition of an army.

Would you like to buy a bridge?

What you want to do here is to quite literally throw the baby out with the bath water. fudge em both out!

I was talking about what sewa said he wanted. It's not pheasable. Convergence will continue and it's something EU citizens have to accept and embrace.

Pheasable is not even a word ffs


The pheasants are revolting


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:06 pm 
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Trostan wrote:
Like a lot of major organisations, the NHS is a great engine for the national distribution of wealth.

Sewa is right to a significant extent; the local spin offs, not just in tax revenue but the purchase of local services and equipment, the creation of skills, the housing distribution; take into account not just money, but add in the wellbeing across your nation.

Of course, overall benefits are limited by the waste due to inefficiencies within the system



:lol: , The NHS doesn’t distribute wealth.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brexit Party.
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:06 pm 
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Saint wrote:
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So long term is the NHS sustainable?

Should the UK government stop pouring money into it and the focus by on private healthcare?



By 2023 the NHS will take 38% of all state spending. We will be a state health system with a country attached.


Source? Forecast for 2020 us that the NHS will consume slightly less than 23% of government spending, so you're forecasting a near 50% increase over the next 3 years (in reality far more than that unless the economy shrinks dramatically)
Forecasts are that NHS expenditure as a % of GDP will stay relatively constant over the near to.mid term, at around 9.8% of GDP



https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-ot ... s-11542202

IFS.


Not got the time to investigate that report tonight, but there's something wrong or distorted with the numbers. NHS is at 23% for 2020, a bit less than that today. That is provable fact. That report claims that it was at 23% years ago, and is already miles over that number. I suspect that it's something to do with what they're describing as public spending, as opposed to the government expenditure.


No idea what their assumptions are around migration, the ageing population and tax receipts. But still it sounds like they've mashed together health care and pensions, or maybe welfare sounded like the sort of thing that should be included under health care to the researcher.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:09 pm 
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Can’t wait to put a brexit type in the Euro parliament for the lolz
My London borough voted leave so whatever I do will not matter, brexit protest vote will win easily here ,


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:13 pm 
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bimboman wrote:
Trostan wrote:
Like a lot of major organisations, the NHS is a great engine for the national distribution of wealth.

Sewa is right to a significant extent; the local spin offs, not just in tax revenue but the purchase of local services and equipment, the creation of skills, the housing distribution; take into account not just money, but add in the wellbeing across your nation.

Of course, overall benefits are limited by the waste due to inefficiencies within the system



:lol: , The NHS doesn’t distribute wealth.


That doesn't sound right (whether one wants to use the term income or wealth) but I suppose you might have some very specific interpretations of distribution and wealth. And we should also note the NHS is also cost to taxpayers


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 Post subject: Re: The Brexit Party.
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:21 pm 
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That is because you are a federalist.

What an accusation Mick, I am shocked here

Are you not someone who wants to see central power resting with the EU at the expense of national govts?


That's not federalism


It's the opposite. D'oh

Westminster residts sunsidiarity. The EU promotes it.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:57 pm 
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Lib Dem, spit, or Green for me this week.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:54 pm 
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My London borough voted leave so whatever I do will not matter, brexit protest vote will win easily here ,
But it's not done on a per borough basis. It's a vote across the whole of London. So it doesn't matter what your very local vote is likely to be, its the whole region that counts.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 10:35 pm 
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Lib Dem, spit, or Green for me this week.

Why not Labour?


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 Post subject: Re: The Brexit Party.
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Mick Mannock wrote:
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That is because you are a federalist.

What an accusation Mick, I am shocked here

Are you not someone who wants to see central power resting with the EU at the expense of national govts?


You thick moron! Jesus wept that shows terrible understanding of basic concepts.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brexit Party.
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shereblue wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
sewa wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
That is because you are a federalist.

What an accusation Mick, I am shocked here

Are you not someone who wants to see central power resting with the EU at the expense of national govts?


That's not federalism


It's the opposite. D'oh

Westminster residts sunsidiarity. The EU promotes it.

Federalism means subsidiarity.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 12:42 am 
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c69 wrote:
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Lib Dem, spit, or Green for me this week.

Why not Labour?

Is anyone still pretending that Labour are anything other than a Brexit party?


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:47 pm 
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c69 wrote:
Sefton wrote:
Lib Dem, spit, or Green for me this week.

Why not Labour?

Authoritarian, anti-semitism, disgraceful absence of a Brexit policy, increasing ideological purity before anything else.

Anyway, just voted on the way home from work, Green Party.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:54 pm 
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I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:55 pm 
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Saint wrote:
c69 wrote:
Sefton wrote:
Lib Dem, spit, or Green for me this week.

Why not Labour?

Is anyone still pretending that Labour are anything other than a Brexit party?



Most of its members .


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 Post subject: Re: The Brexit Party.
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:17 pm 
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juddy wrote:
shereblue wrote:
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Mick Mannock wrote:
sewa wrote:
What an accusation Mick, I am shocked here

Are you not someone who wants to see central power resting with the EU at the expense of national govts?


That's not federalism


It's the opposite. D'oh

Westminster residts sunsidiarity. The EU promotes it.

Federalism means subsidiarity.


Absolutely. The EU promotes subsidiarity. Self determination flows down as far as possible. It flows up to the supranational where collective strength can give its individual nations and communities a voice globally where they would not otherwise have one

Westminster wishes to arrogate all power to itself and lumps local authorities with duties, tax collection etc whilst making all the rules that govern the lives of very contrasting regions within our disunited kingdom.

I know which model makes sense to me.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:30 pm 
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I guess i should pop by and visit the UK one last time before its all blown apart post brexit......


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:12 pm 
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dantedelew wrote:
backrow wrote:
My London borough voted leave so whatever I do will not matter, brexit protest vote will win easily here ,
But it's not done on a per borough basis. It's a vote across the whole of London. So it doesn't matter what your very local vote is likely to be, its the whole region that counts.


And t's not a first past the post vote, it's a proportional representative vote.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:19 pm 
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Sefton wrote:
c69 wrote:
Sefton wrote:
Lib Dem, spit, or Green for me this week.

Why not Labour?

Authoritarian, anti-semitism, disgraceful absence of a Brexit policy, increasing ideological purity before anything else.

Anyway, just voted on the way home from work, Green Party.

:thumbup: I hate everything about Labour under Corbyn as much as I did under Blair
Have had reservations from day one.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:45 pm 
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etherman wrote:
I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol

How did you you do that you electoral cheat?

One cross only allowed on my ballot


I was the first voter at my polling station at 7.01 this am.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:46 pm 
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Glaston wrote:
etherman wrote:
I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol

How did you you do that you electoral cheat?

One cross only allowed on my ballot

We graduated on to numbers quite some time ago. Do catch up.


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etherman wrote:
Glaston wrote:
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I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol

How did you you do that you electoral cheat?

One cross only allowed on my ballot

We graduated on to numbers quite some time ago. Do catch up.

Are you like the French with 34 parties on the ballot ?


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:50 pm 
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Glaston wrote:
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I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol

How did you you do that you electoral cheat?

One cross only allowed on my ballot

We graduated on to numbers quite some time ago. Do catch up.

Are you like the French with 34 parties on the ballot ?

Nah there was about 10 candidates, two of which wqere independent randomers.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:09 am 
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etherman wrote:
I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol

How did you do that? :uhoh:


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etherman wrote:
I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol

How did you do that? :uhoh:


He's a nordie so shinners, alliance, SDLP, UUP


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EverReady wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
etherman wrote:
I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol

How did you do that? :uhoh:


He's a nordie so shinners, alliance, SDLP, UUP

Seems more of a DUP man to me.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:14 am 
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Wendigo7 wrote:
etherman wrote:
I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol

How did you do that? :uhoh:

NI uses a different system than GB. STV I think.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:28 am 
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EverReady wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
etherman wrote:
I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol

How did you do that? :uhoh:


He's a nordie so shinners, alliance, SDLP, UUP

You got 2 right.


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 Post subject: Re: The Brexit Party.
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:23 am 
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shereblue wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
sewa wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
That is because you are a federalist.

What an accusation Mick, I am shocked here

Are you not someone who wants to see central power resting with the EU at the expense of national govts?


That's not federalism


It's the opposite. D'oh

Westminster residts sunsidiarity. The EU promotes it.


In the same way as Corbyn promotes co-ownership of my money.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 1:32 pm 
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c69 wrote:
EverReady wrote:
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etherman wrote:
I voted for 4 parties, none of which are in the poll. Lol

How did you do that? :uhoh:


He's a nordie so shinners, alliance, SDLP, UUP

Seems more of a DUP man to me.


I got two right so I am guessing that is shinners and SDLP. Ether tell me you didn't vote People Before Profit


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ManInTheBar wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
sewa wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
That is because you are a federalist.

What an accusation Mick, I am shocked here

Are you not someone who wants to see central power resting with the EU at the expense of national govts?


That's not federalism


Before the EU project the power rested with the individual governments. Under this central "Federalist" government system powers have and continued to be ceded from governments to the Federation


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