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iarmhiman wrote:As long as they still allow Marxists I'm happy.

Leffe wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

sewa wrote: Well that's a question that requires a very detailed answer and I am not in a position to answer it right now. The status quo with a common EU army would do me for now off the top of my head

So you are happy if the last 40 years of closer and closer union stops at this point in time with just the addition of an army.

Would you like to buy a bridge?

What you want to do here is to quite literally throw the baby out with the bath water. fudge em both out!

Anonymous. wrote:

Leffe wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

sewa wrote: Well that's a question that requires a very detailed answer and I am not in a position to answer it right now. The status quo with a common EU army would do me for now off the top of my head

So you are happy if the last 40 years of closer and closer union stops at this point in time with just the addition of an army.

Would you like to buy a bridge?

What you want to do here is to quite literally throw the baby out with the bath water. fudge em both out!

I was talking about what sewa said he wanted. It's not pheasable. Convergence will continue and it's something EU citizens have to accept and embrace.

sewa wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

Leffe wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

sewa wrote: Well that's a question that requires a very detailed answer and I am not in a position to answer it right now. The status quo with a common EU army would do me for now off the top of my head

So you are happy if the last 40 years of closer and closer union stops at this point in time with just the addition of an army.

Would you like to buy a bridge?

What you want to do here is to quite literally throw the baby out with the bath water. fudge em both out!

I was talking about what sewa said he wanted. It's not pheasable. Convergence will continue and it's something EU citizens have to accept and embrace.

Pheasable is not even a word ffs

Mick Mannock wrote:

sewa wrote:

Mick Mannock wrote:That is because you are a federalist.

What an accusation Mick, I am shocked here

Are you not someone who wants to see central power resting with the EU at the expense of national govts?

bimboman wrote:

Insane_Homer wrote:A welcome action but of course nothing to do with recent spate of bad press in the last few days or how Leave.EU and the like leveraged FB advertising to target such groups and their supporters...

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/facebook-dan ... rst-228335

Facebook permanently bans EDL, Britain First and BNP for being 'dangerous'

Users will be kicked off the social media platform if they support far-right groups
Facebook has permanently banned several far-right groups from its platform under its "dangerous individuals and organisations" policy.

Several individuals and organisations, including the BNP, Britain First and the English Defence League.

Supporting the groups is now also against the site's community guidelines. As of midday Thursday, the ban affects more than just hate organisations, users coordinating support for the groups will now be banned, as well as posts and other content "expressing praise or support" for them.

The ban includes Britain First leader Paul Golding and his former deputy Jayda Fransen (Credit: Charles McQuillan) The ban includes Britain First leader Paul Golding and his former deputy Jayda Fransen

In a statement, Facebook said: "Individuals and organisations who spread hate, or attack or call for the exclusion of others on the basis of who they are, have no place on Facebook. Under our dangerous individuals and organisations policy, we ban those who proclaim a violent or hateful mission or are engaged in acts of hate or violence.

"The individuals and organisations we have banned today violate this policy, and they will no longer be allowed a presence on Facebook or Instagram. Posts and other content which expresses praise or support for these figures and groups will also be banned. Our work against organised hate is ongoing and we will continue to review individuals, organisations, pages, groups and content against our community standards."

Knights Templar International, National Front and National Action have also been banned, as well as their leaders and spokespeople.

Two months ago Tommy Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, was also branded a dangerous individual.

This type of ban is much harsher than those previously applied to Britain First as it prevents individuals from supporting the group too.

Yesterday journalist Carole Cadwalladr gave a TED talk in Silicon Valley, attacking Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey, Google's co-founders and Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg. She decried the tech giants' total apathy toward the spread of hate through their platforms.

I wonder if JRM's supports group is affect?

No you don’t it’s clear who has been banned and why.

bimboman wrote:But IH that’s still the NHS not a radical over haul and change of financing model. It’s also from the useless Independent about the inept Mrs May. You’ll believe any old shite if you accepted that as evidence.

Let American firms run hospitals, urges free trade group
Oliver Wright, Policy Editor
September 19 2018, 12:01am,
The Times

The report, from the Initiative for Free Trade, has been edited by Daniel Hannan, a Tory MEP [and the founding President of the Initiative for Free Trade, one of the founder and prominent board member of vote Leave, being described in The Guardian as "the man who brought you Brexit"]

Ministers should allow American healthcare companies to compete with the NHS to run hospitals as part of a free-trade pact after Brexit, a think tank recommends.

The Initiative for Free Trade (IFT) said that Britain should also end its ban on imports of products such as chlorinated chicken and accept American environmental and food safety regulations as equivalent to those in the UK.

The moves, it claimed, would help clear the way for a UK-US trade deal that would “rewrite the rules” of global commerce and allow Britain to take advantage of trade freedoms offered by Brexit. The IFT has received backing from Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, and Boris Johnson.

Hannan ranks 738 out of 751 MEPs for his participation in roll call votes in the European Parliament

c69 wrote:Please stop quoting and engaging ffs.
He knows as much about the NHS as he does about roundabouts and self awareness.

Nigel Farage second most popular choice among Conservative Party councillors to be next Tory leader, finds new poll..

Spoiler: show

Nigel Farage is the second most popular choice among Conservative Party councillors to be the next Tory leader, a new poll has found.

Only Boris Johnson is more popular than the leader of The Brexit Party with Mr Farage ahead of frontrunner candidates including Michael Gove, Jeremy Hunt, Sajid Javid and Dominic Raab.

Mr Johnson, the former foreign secretary and prominent Brexiteer, was backed by 19 per cent of Tory councillors as the best option to take over from Theresa May when the field included Mr Farage.

The former Ukip leader was supported by 15 per cent of the 781 Tory councillors polled by Survation between April 17 and 19.

The findings are likely to prompt a moment of reflection among the candidates in the running to succeed Mrs May because the Tory grassroots will have the final say on who is chosen.

The fact that Mr Farage came second in the poll - and Mr Johnson came first - suggests the Tory grassroots are ready to elect a “true” Eurosceptic leader.

The poll also painted a picture of the Conservative Party in a state of mass revolt, with 40 per cent of Tory councillors saying they intended to vote for Mr Farage’s party at the European elections on May 23.

Meanwhile, three quarters said they wanted Mrs May to resign because of her handling of Brexit and some 43 per cent said she should quit immediately.

Just over half said they would vote Tory at the European elections but that figure would rise to 65 per cent if Mrs May was replaced by Mr Johnson.

Almost a quarter of Tory councillors said Mr Johnson would be the best leader in a field not including Mr Farage with Mr Gove second on 14 per cent, Mr Hunt on 12 per cent and Mr Javid on 11 per cent.

But when The Brexit Party leader was included, Mr Johnson remained in first place on 19 per cent with Mr Farage next on 15 per cent, then Mr Javid third on 11 per cent.

The overwhelming majority of Tory councillors - 96 per cent - said that the Brexit deadlock had damaged the Conservative Party.

One councillor in the Survation study said: "The Conservative Party is dead. It will take a strong leader to dredge it out of the mud."

Another said Brexit was “killing us on the doorstep” and the party needed to just “get on with it”.

The poll published by the Mail On Sunday came after a survey of more than 1,000 Tory members by the ConservativeHome website found nearly eight out of 10 want Mrs May to quit.

Mrs May has promised to stand aside once MPs have agreed a Brexit divorce deal to allow a new leader to tackle the second phase of talks with the EU when the two sides will hammer out the terms of their future relationship.

In a sign of the pressure on Mrs May, the Sunday Times reported that she will be told within days that she must step down by the end of June or face a fresh effort by MPs to oust her.

The newspaper reported that Sir Graham Brady, chairman of the backbench 1922 Committee, will tell her that 70 per cent of Tory MPs now want her to resign.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ive-party/

iarmhiman wrote:So long term is the NHS sustainable?

Should the UK government stop pouring money into it and the focus by on private healthcare?

bimboman wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:So long term is the NHS sustainable?

Should the UK government stop pouring money into it and the focus by on private healthcare?

By 2023 the NHS will take 38% of all state spending. We will be a state health system with a country attached.

Saint wrote:

bimboman wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:So long term is the NHS sustainable?

Should the UK government stop pouring money into it and the focus by on private healthcare?

By 2023 the NHS will take 38% of all state spending. We will be a state health system with a country attached.

Source? Forecast for 2020 us that the NHS will consume slightly less than 23% of government spending, so you're forecasting a near 50% increase over the next 3 years (in reality far more than that unless the economy shrinks dramatically)
Forecasts are that NHS expenditure as a % of GDP will stay relatively constant over the near to.mid term, at around 9.8% of GDP

Saint wrote:

bimboman wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:So long term is the NHS sustainable?

Should the UK government stop pouring money into it and the focus by on private healthcare?

By 2023 the NHS will take 38% of all state spending. We will be a state health system with a country attached.

Source? Forecast for 2020 us that the NHS will consume slightly less than 23% of government spending, so you're forecasting a near 50% increase over the next 3 years (in reality far more than that unless the economy shrinks dramatically)
Forecasts are that NHS expenditure as a % of GDP will stay relatively constant over the near to.mid term, at around 9.8% of GDP

sewa wrote:

Saint wrote:

bimboman wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:So long term is the NHS sustainable?

Should the UK government stop pouring money into it and the focus by on private healthcare?

By 2023 the NHS will take 38% of all state spending. We will be a state health system with a country attached.

Source? Forecast for 2020 us that the NHS will consume slightly less than 23% of government spending, so you're forecasting a near 50% increase over the next 3 years (in reality far more than that unless the economy shrinks dramatically)
Forecasts are that NHS expenditure as a % of GDP will stay relatively constant over the near to.mid term, at around 9.8% of GDP

And the people working in the NHS pay huge taxes

bimboman wrote:

Saint wrote:

bimboman wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:So long term is the NHS sustainable?

Should the UK government stop pouring money into it and the focus by on private healthcare?

By 2023 the NHS will take 38% of all state spending. We will be a state health system with a country attached.

Source? Forecast for 2020 us that the NHS will consume slightly less than 23% of government spending, so you're forecasting a near 50% increase over the next 3 years (in reality far more than that unless the economy shrinks dramatically)
Forecasts are that NHS expenditure as a % of GDP will stay relatively constant over the near to.mid term, at around 9.8% of GDP

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-ot ... s-11542202

IFS.

Former Conservative MP Ann Widdecombe has announced she is set to return to politics - for the Brexit Party.

Druid wrote:Nigel Farage Unleashes his secret weapon:

Former Conservative MP Ann Widdecombe has announced she is set to return to politics - for the Brexit Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48034732

sewa wrote:

Saint wrote:

bimboman wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:So long term is the NHS sustainable?

Should the UK government stop pouring money into it and the focus by on private healthcare?

By 2023 the NHS will take 38% of all state spending. We will be a state health system with a country attached.

Source? Forecast for 2020 us that the NHS will consume slightly less than 23% of government spending, so you're forecasting a near 50% increase over the next 3 years (in reality far more than that unless the economy shrinks dramatically)
Forecasts are that NHS expenditure as a % of GDP will stay relatively constant over the near to.mid term, at around 9.8% of GDP

And the people working in the NHS pay huge taxes

sewa wrote:

Saint wrote:

bimboman wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:So long term is the NHS sustainable?

Should the UK government stop pouring money into it and the focus by on private healthcare?

By 2023 the NHS will take 38% of all state spending. We will be a state health system with a country attached.

Source? Forecast for 2020 us that the NHS will consume slightly less than 23% of government spending, so you're forecasting a near 50% increase over the next 3 years (in reality far more than that unless the economy shrinks dramatically)
Forecasts are that NHS expenditure as a % of GDP will stay relatively constant over the near to.mid term, at around 9.8% of GDP

And the people working in the NHS pay huge taxes

The Sun God wrote:

Druid wrote:Nigel Farage Unleashes his secret weapon:

Former Conservative MP Ann Widdecombe has announced she is set to return to politics - for the Brexit Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48034732

She is on Boulton's show on SKY News at this moment..... Christ, you have lost it when you need to wheel that nutter out.

RodneyRegis wrote:

sewa wrote: And the people working in the NHS pay huge taxes

WTF

sewa wrote:

RodneyRegis wrote:

sewa wrote: And the people working in the NHS pay huge taxes

WTF

I see you are in some difficulty here. When the government gives money to the people in the NHS they pay income taxes, PRSI, sales taxes when they buy things, duty on fuels, alcohol, cigarettes etc. The bulk of it ends up back in the governments pocket. Its not exactly a difficult concept

c69 wrote:

RodneyRegis wrote:

The Sun God wrote:

Druid wrote:Nigel Farage Unleashes his secret weapon:

Former Conservative MP Ann Widdecombe has announced she is set to return to politics - for the Brexit Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48034732

She is on Boulton's show on SKY News at this moment..... Christ, you have lost it when you need to wheel that nutter out.

Lovely Ann.

There is something of the night about her.

sewa wrote:

RodneyRegis wrote:

sewa wrote: And the people working in the NHS pay huge taxes

WTF

I see you are in some difficulty here. When the government gives money to the people in the NHS they pay income taxes, PRSI, sales taxes when they buy things, duty on fuels, alcohol, cigarettes etc. The bulk of it ends up back in the governments pocket. Its not exactly a difficult concept

RodneyRegis wrote:

sewa wrote:

RodneyRegis wrote:

sewa wrote: And the people working in the NHS pay huge taxes

WTF

I see you are in some difficulty here. When the government gives money to the people in the NHS they pay income taxes, PRSI, sales taxes when they buy things, duty on fuels, alcohol, cigarettes etc. The bulk of it ends up back in the governments pocket. Its not exactly a difficult concept

I hear there's a vacancy as governor of the Bank of England coming up. You should apply.

sewa wrote:

RodneyRegis wrote:

sewa wrote:

RodneyRegis wrote:

sewa wrote: And the people working in the NHS pay huge taxes

WTF

I see you are in some difficulty here. When the government gives money to the people in the NHS they pay income taxes, PRSI, sales taxes when they buy things, duty on fuels, alcohol, cigarettes etc. The bulk of it ends up back in the governments pocket. Its not exactly a difficult concept

I hear there's a vacancy as governor of the Bank of England coming up. You should apply.

Thanks but I am happy in my current role

sewa wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

Leffe wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

sewa wrote: Well that's a question that requires a very detailed answer and I am not in a position to answer it right now. The status quo with a common EU army would do me for now off the top of my head

So you are happy if the last 40 years of closer and closer union stops at this point in time with just the addition of an army.

Would you like to buy a bridge?

What you want to do here is to quite literally throw the baby out with the bath water. fudge em both out!

I was talking about what sewa said he wanted. It's not pheasable. Convergence will continue and it's something EU citizens have to accept and embrace.

Pheasable is not even a word ffs

Trostan wrote:Like a lot of major organisations, the NHS is a great engine for the national distribution of wealth.

Sewa is right to a significant extent; the local spin offs, not just in tax revenue but the purchase of local services and equipment, the creation of skills, the housing distribution; take into account not just money, but add in the wellbeing across your nation.

Of course, overall benefits are limited by the waste due to inefficiencies within the system

Saint wrote:

bimboman wrote:

Saint wrote:

bimboman wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:So long term is the NHS sustainable?

Should the UK government stop pouring money into it and the focus by on private healthcare?

By 2023 the NHS will take 38% of all state spending. We will be a state health system with a country attached.

Source? Forecast for 2020 us that the NHS will consume slightly less than 23% of government spending, so you're forecasting a near 50% increase over the next 3 years (in reality far more than that unless the economy shrinks dramatically)
Forecasts are that NHS expenditure as a % of GDP will stay relatively constant over the near to.mid term, at around 9.8% of GDP

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-ot ... s-11542202

IFS.

Not got the time to investigate that report tonight, but there's something wrong or distorted with the numbers. NHS is at 23% for 2020, a bit less than that today. That is provable fact. That report claims that it was at 23% years ago, and is already miles over that number. I suspect that it's something to do with what they're describing as public spending, as opposed to the government expenditure.

bimboman wrote:

Trostan wrote:Like a lot of major organisations, the NHS is a great engine for the national distribution of wealth.

Sewa is right to a significant extent; the local spin offs, not just in tax revenue but the purchase of local services and equipment, the creation of skills, the housing distribution; take into account not just money, but add in the wellbeing across your nation.

Of course, overall benefits are limited by the waste due to inefficiencies within the system

, The NHS doesn’t distribute wealth.

ManInTheBar wrote:

Mick Mannock wrote:

sewa wrote:

Mick Mannock wrote:That is because you are a federalist.

What an accusation Mick, I am shocked here

Are you not someone who wants to see central power resting with the EU at the expense of national govts?

That's not federalism

backrow wrote:My London borough voted leave so whatever I do will not matter, brexit protest vote will win easily here ,

Mick Mannock wrote:

sewa wrote:

Mick Mannock wrote:That is because you are a federalist.

What an accusation Mick, I am shocked here

Are you not someone who wants to see central power resting with the EU at the expense of national govts?

shereblue wrote:

ManInTheBar wrote:

Mick Mannock wrote:

sewa wrote:

Mick Mannock wrote:That is because you are a federalist.

What an accusation Mick, I am shocked here

Are you not someone who wants to see central power resting with the EU at the expense of national govts?

That's not federalism

It's the opposite. D'oh

Westminster residts sunsidiarity. The EU promotes it.

c69 wrote:

Sefton wrote:Lib Dem, spit, or Green for me this week.

Why not Labour?