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GWO2 wrote:The trouble with all these performance appearances suggestions is that the more a player is needed for Wales, the less he plays for his region, as they wrap him in cotton wool to preserve him. So if a promising youngster gets capped, the regions will see less and less of him. (Just saying like)

And as well, take Carre, the Cardiff supporter in me is pissed off. The welshman in me is more than able to see the obvious benefits playing in the best forward pack in the island, in the best team for his development.

to think he won't be able to play for wales now...

Theflier wrote:

GWO2 wrote:The trouble with all these performance appearances suggestions is that the more a player is needed for Wales, the less he plays for his region, as they wrap him in cotton wool to preserve him. So if a promising youngster gets capped, the regions will see less and less of him. (Just saying like)

And as well, take Carre, the Cardiff supporter in me is pissed off. The welshman in me is more than able to see the obvious benefits playing in the best forward pack in the island, in the best team for his development.

to think he won't be able to play for wales now...

Yes he will. To get banned from playing for Wales, you have to be an internaional that has turned down a regional contract.

Theflier wrote:

GWO2 wrote:The trouble with all these performance appearances suggestions is that the more a player is needed for Wales, the less he plays for his region, as they wrap him in cotton wool to preserve him. So if a promising youngster gets capped, the regions will see less and less of him. (Just saying like)

And as well, take Carre, the Cardiff supporter in me is pissed off. The welshman in me is more than able to see the obvious benefits playing in the best forward pack in the island, in the best team for his development.

to think he won't be able to play for wales now...

He can as he signed before his cap. However he wont if he stays when its up for renewal.

paynie wrote:

Theflier wrote:

GWO2 wrote:The trouble with all these performance appearances suggestions is that the more a player is needed for Wales, the less he plays for his region, as they wrap him in cotton wool to preserve him. So if a promising youngster gets capped, the regions will see less and less of him. (Just saying like)

And as well, take Carre, the Cardiff supporter in me is pissed off. The welshman in me is more than able to see the obvious benefits playing in the best forward pack in the island, in the best team for his development.

to think he won't be able to play for wales now...

He can as he signed before his cap. However he wont if he stays when its up for renewal.

unless he's got a francis special contract...

Dragons XV bounce back with a handsome win over Munster A 36-10 in the Celtic Cup.

So are the Dragons moving away from Newport's colours in an attempt to draw wider support?

If so why pick black as home and blue as away kit? Or is it the other way around?

Either way - red, blue and b&w are taken up by the other 3. Yellow (Newport's B&A) is about the only colour they couldn't go with.

Shouldn't have called themselves Dragons (this should be our A teams name alongside Saxons and Wolfhounds), and shouldn't be in black. FFS.

LandOTurk wrote:
Shouldn't have called themselves Dragons (this should be our A teams name alongside Saxons and Wolfhounds), and shouldn't be in black. FFS.

This is a thought I've always had. The creation of regions in Wales really was a massive fuckwittery.

LandOTurk wrote:So are the Dragons moving away from Newport's colours in an attempt to draw wider support?.

Probably just so people have to buy another jersey for the season.

Well the warm up match tells us more or less what we already knew. Who our first and second choice players are and that no one else better get injured.

So what do we reckon the squad is goin to be. If Gatland is true to his word that today's game was a direct trial for places, then I reckon it is:

Elliot Dee
Ryan Elias
Ken Owens

Rob Evans
Tomas Francis
Wyn Jones
Samson Lee
Dillon Lewis
Nicky Smith

Jake Ball
Adam Beard
Cory Hill
Alun Wyn Jones (c)

Ross Moriarty
Josh Navidi
Aaron Shingler
Justin Tipuric
Aaron Wainwright

Aled Davies
Gareth Davies
Tomos Williams

Dan Biggar
Rhys Patchell

Jonathan Davies
Hadleigh Parkes
Scott Williams

Josh Adams
Hallam Amos
George North
Leigh Halfpenny
Liam Williams

The only differences might be one less prop and one more centre/back 3 player. Or, taken Lane as a centre/wing instead of Amos, as we already have direct fullback cover.

That looks probable Jeff. Such a blow that Anscombe got injured.

Cupboard is worryingly bare at centre and lock.

I'd leave Shingler at home but he'll go as second row cover.

Jeff the Bear wrote:So what do we reckon the squad is goin to be. If Gatland is true to his word that today's game was a direct trial for places, then I reckon it is:

Elliot Dee
Ryan Elias
Ken Owens

Rob Evans
Tomas Francis
Wyn Jones
Samson Lee
Dillon Lewis
Nicky Smith

Jake Ball
Adam Beard
Cory Hill
Alun Wyn Jones (c)

Ross Moriarty
Josh Navidi
Aaron Shingler
Justin Tipuric
Aaron Wainwright

Aled Davies
Gareth Davies
Tomos Williams

Dan Biggar
Rhys Patchell

Jonathan Davies
Hadleigh Parkes
Scott Williams

Josh Adams
Hallam Amos
George North
Leigh Halfpenny
Liam Williams

The only differences might be one less prop and one more centre/back 3 player. Or, taken Lane as a centre/wing instead of Amos, as we already have direct fullback cover.

Why would you take 3 nines when one of the options is Aled bloody Davies??

cubby boi wrote:

Jeff the Bear wrote:So what do we reckon the squad is goin to be. If Gatland is true to his word that today's game was a direct trial for places, then I reckon it is:

Elliot Dee
Ryan Elias
Ken Owens

Rob Evans
Tomas Francis
Wyn Jones
Samson Lee
Dillon Lewis
Nicky Smith

Jake Ball
Adam Beard
Cory Hill
Alun Wyn Jones (c)

Ross Moriarty
Josh Navidi
Aaron Shingler
Justin Tipuric
Aaron Wainwright

Aled Davies
Gareth Davies
Tomos Williams

Dan Biggar
Rhys Patchell

Jonathan Davies
Hadleigh Parkes
Scott Williams

Josh Adams
Hallam Amos
George North
Leigh Halfpenny
Liam Williams

The only differences might be one less prop and one more centre/back 3 player. Or, taken Lane as a centre/wing instead of Amos, as we already have direct fullback cover.

Why would you take 3 nines when one of the options is Aled bloody Davies??

Agreed, can anyone play emergency 9?

Thought Aled was terrible today, as was brad Jarrod brown.

c69 wrote:How was Carre in the esteemed opion of the Bored?

Eh. I was going to say I don't think anyone in the front row stood up but the problem is they did.

c69 wrote:How was Carre in the esteemed opion of the Bored?

The first scrum should have been our penalty. When Brown came on the wheels came off big style.

Carried ok but 1 particularly loon stated that he's not international standard

Brown reminds me of roller skates

Frodder wrote:

c69 wrote:How was Carre in the esteemed opion of the Bored?

The first scrum should have been our penalty. When Brown came on the wheels came off big style.

Carried ok but 1 particularly loon stated that he's not international standard

Think I was that loon.

He's not international standard yet. He struggled with the pace and our scrum looked dodgy from the very start. Too much of a gamble to take to Japan.

c69 wrote:Corry Hill goooone
Most prob

They could still take him, but him missing the Aus game would be a blow.

c69 wrote:

New guy wrote:

Frodder wrote:

c69 wrote:How was Carre in the esteemed opion of the Bored?

The first scrum should have been our penalty. When Brown came on the wheels came off big style.

Carried ok but 1 particularly loon stated that he's not international standard

Think I was that loon.

He's not international standard yet. He struggled with the pace and our scrum looked dodgy from the very start. Too much of a gamble to take to Japan.

He is young and will get better

I'm very glad he's been capped. Dont need to worry about England nabbing him now.

After the initial depression I think today actually went great for us. Patchell and Tomos Williams seriously impressed from the bench. Not only have they provided an easy squad choice for Gatland but they’ll be pushing Davies and Biggar all the way for a starting berth. Beard and Shingler likewise really.
Also, in the second half, when we had barely 2 starters on the field, and Ireland had 7 odd, we dominated.
I think we found out exactly what we needed to. I just hope Gatland makes the correct calls now.

The Wail's 31 man squad - 13/18 split

Liam Williams, George North, Josh Adams, Leigh Halfpenny, Owen Lane
Hadleigh Parkes, Jonathan Davies, Scott Williams
Dan Biggar, Rhys Patchell
Gareth Davies, Aled Davies, Tomos Williams

Nicky Smith, Rob Evans, Wyn Jones, Tomas Francis, Samson Lee, Dillon Lewis
Ken Owens, Elliot Dee, Ryan Elias.
Alun Wyn Jones, Adam Beard, Cory Hill, Jake Ball
Josh Navidi, Aaron Wainwright, Ross Moriarty, Aaron Shingler, Justin Tipuric

Scarlets - 12 of which 2 are former Blues
Ospreys - 7 of which 2 are former Scarlets
Blues - 5 of which 1 is a former Scarlet
Dragons - 4
Other - 3 of which 1 is a former Osprey, and 1 is a former Scarlet

So 16 of 31 have a big Scarlets influence. Sweet.

Assuming the Wail is correct, who is now our starting #10?

Biggar is obviously the main man, but can he get his team moving like Patchell does? Is it still the role he played with Anscombe?

One game doesn't mean Patchell is back, nor that Jarrod is out, but can we rely just on that to say he should start?

Who starts against Ireland in Dublin? I say it has to be Patchell. Team confidence aside, we know what Biggar can do. If Patch is to start against Oz (very unsure about that) ndin the knockout stages, then he has to prove it in the cauldron at the Aviva.

Thoughts?

LandOTurk wrote:Assuming the Wail is correct, who is now our starting #10?

Biggar is obviously the main man, but can he get his team moving like Patchell does? Is it still the role he played with Anscombe?

One game doesn't mean Patchell is back, nor that Jarrod is out, but can we rely just on that to say he should start?

Who starts against Ireland in Dublin? I say it has to be Patchell. Team confidence aside, we know what Biggar can do. If Patch is to start against Oz (very unsure about that) ndin the knockout stages, then he has to prove it in the cauldron at the Aviva.

Thoughts?

I think Australia will have the measure of Wales in the pool game Turk if that's any help?

Bayern wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:Assuming the Wail is correct, who is now our starting #10?

Biggar is obviously the main man, but can he get his team moving like Patchell does? Is it still the role he played with Anscombe?

One game doesn't mean Patchell is back, nor that Jarrod is out, but can we rely just on that to say he should start?

Who starts against Ireland in Dublin? I say it has to be Patchell. Team confidence aside, we know what Biggar can do. If Patch is to start against Oz (very unsure about that) ndin the knockout stages, then he has to prove it in the cauldron at the Aviva.

Thoughts?

I think Australia will have the measure of Wales in the pool game Turk if that's any help?

They have a history of getting it right come RWC time. It would not surprise me. There again ....

Disappointed that Jarrod didn’t impress. And Carre. Worried about Samson and the entire front row for that matter. Injury to Hill could be blow too.

Relieved that Tomos stepped up and hoping that Lane did enough to get on the plane.

Interestingly in terms of the squad, do you think there would be any appetite to just take two scrumhalves? Aled Davies seems like a waste of a plane ticket.

Would personally prefer to make space for another 10 or another backrower/lock.

LandOTurk wrote:Assuming the Wail is correct, who is now our starting #10?

Biggar is obviously the main man, but can he get his team moving like Patchell does? Is it still the role he played with Anscombe?

One game doesn't mean Patchell is back, nor that Jarrod is out, but can we rely just on that to say he should start?

Who starts against Ireland in Dublin? I say it has to be Patchell. Team confidence aside, we know what Biggar can do. If Patch is to start against Oz (very unsure about that) ndin the knockout stages, then he has to prove it in the cauldron at the Aviva.

Thoughts?

Biggar will probably start but I hope Patchell can continue with displays like yesterday and not fall apart under pressure.

bessantj wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:Assuming the Wail is correct, who is now our starting #10?

Biggar is obviously the main man, but can he get his team moving like Patchell does? Is it still the role he played with Anscombe?

One game doesn't mean Patchell is back, nor that Jarrod is out, but can we rely just on that to say he should start?

Who starts against Ireland in Dublin? I say it has to be Patchell. Team confidence aside, we know what Biggar can do. If Patch is to start against Oz (very unsure about that) ndin the knockout stages, then he has to prove it in the cauldron at the Aviva.

Thoughts?

Biggar will probably start but I hope Patchell can continue with displays like yesterday and not fall apart under pressure.

Hoping Patchell turns into RWC Priestland. Fear he’ll be post RWC Priestland.

henry wrote:

bessantj wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:Assuming the Wail is correct, who is now our starting #10?

Biggar is obviously the main man, but can he get his team moving like Patchell does? Is it still the role he played with Anscombe?

One game doesn't mean Patchell is back, nor that Jarrod is out, but can we rely just on that to say he should start?

Who starts against Ireland in Dublin? I say it has to be Patchell. Team confidence aside, we know what Biggar can do. If Patch is to start against Oz (very unsure about that) ndin the knockout stages, then he has to prove it in the cauldron at the Aviva.

Thoughts?

Biggar will probably start but I hope Patchell can continue with displays like yesterday and not fall apart under pressure.

Hoping Patchell turns into RWC Priestland. Fear he’ll be post RWC Priestland.

I think he could well be rwc priest. We don’t have much to lose starting Patch either. If he goes well then he offers so mich more than biggar and if he cracks then Biggars onthe bench to sure up the ship.

In fairness, to JJ Williams, I thought he was right. We’ve no hope of winning a World Cup with Biggar at 10.
Might be interesting seeing biggar in a Farrell 12 selection. Doubt that would happen with Anscombe unavailable now though.

Forwards: Jake Ball, Adam Beard, Rhys Carre, James Davies, Elliot Dee, Ryan Elias, Tomas Francis, Cory Hill, Alun Wyn Jones, Wyn Jones, Dillon Lewis, Ross Moriarty, Josh Navidi, Ken Owens, Aaron Shingler, Nicky Smith, Justin Tipuric, Aaron Wainwright.

Backs: Josh Adams, Hallam Amos, Dan Biggar, Aled Davies, Gareth Davies, Jonathan Davies, Leigh Halfpenny, George North, Hadleigh Parkes, Rhys Patchell, Owen Watkin, Liam Williams, Tomos Williams.

Rhys Carre over Rob Evans?! wtf?!

Scott Williams & Owen Lane unlucky to miss out

I guess Rob Evans didn’t get over his injury?

385 pages! We will WALK this RWC.

Rumours are that Rob is fully fit - just not selected. I guess we only had one first choice (out of position) take the field yesterday then!

I’m shocked no Rob Evans.

MaccTaff wrote:I’m shocked no Rob Evans.

Horrible call. I love the first receiver role he plays for us.

P in VG wrote:Rhys Carre over Rob Evans?! wtf?!

Scott Williams & Owen Lane unlucky to miss out

Carre over Rob Evs the biggest shock.

cubby boi wrote:

MaccTaff wrote:I’m shocked no Rob Evans.

Horrible call. I love the first receiver role he plays for us.

Weird decision. I'm shocked.

That's a remarkably weak-looking squad.

I don't even know half those players.