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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:58 am 
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Just to be clear. I don't want Oz to beat NZ today, as it will give them confidence in our pool games, despite us not getting the #1 spot for a day or more. All about the RWC, but would be nice to have both.


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We've tipped another page. 400 at the end of the rwc


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We've tipped another page. 400 at the end of the rwc


And on a most auspicious day...where we become the interim World No.1 team!


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Jeff the Bear wrote:
Frodder wrote:
We've tipped another page. 400 at the end of the rwc


And on a most auspicious day...where we become the interim World No.1 team!


I keep on saying it. 400 before the RWC, 500 by the end of it.


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LandOTurk wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
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We've tipped another page. 400 at the end of the rwc


And on a most auspicious day...where we become the interim World No.1 team!


I keep on saying it. 400 before the RWC, 500 by the end of it.



Now now let's take it 1 page at a time


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I posted Andy Hayden's dive in 1978 against us on another thread and noticed Gareth Davies was the FH.

So wanted to come up with a list of the primary Welsh FH over the years. Big gap for me in the 60s before Barry????


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1947 - 50 Billy Cleaver
1951 - 58 Cliff Morgan
1959 - 62 Cliff Ashton
1963 - 67 Dai Watkins
1968 - 72 Barry John
1972 - 77 Phil Bennett
1975 - 76 John Bevan
1978 - 85 Gareth Davies
1982 - 82 Gary Pearce
1983 - 85 Malcolm Dacey
1985 - 89 Jonathan Davies
1990 - 91 Adrian Davies
1990 - 91 Tony Clement
1992 - 92 Colin Stephens
1992 - 01 Neil Jenkins
1996 - 00 Arwel Thomas
2001 - 01 Iestyn Harris
2001 - 11 Stephen Jones
2006 - 08 James Hook
2011 - 12 Rhys Priestland
2013 - 18 Dan Biggar
2018 - 19 Gareth Anscombe

Does that sound about right???

Anyone want a shot at SH (or other positions) for the same time period?


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LoT you're missing Dai Watkins who played for Wales 63-67. Had some great tussles with John for the No10 shirt.

EDIT: Oh, Bleddyn Williams as well forgot about him would have been in there before Morgan. And you could sandwich Clifford Ashton between Morgan and Watkins.


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LoT you're missing Dai Watkins who played for Wales 63-67. Had some great tussles with John for the No10 shirt.

EDIT: Oh, Bleddyn Williams as well forgot about him would have been in there before Morgan. And you could sandwich Clifford Ashton between Morgan and Watkins.


Dai Watkins - of course, met him post match at a Cardiff-Newport game with Ian Botham - god conversation. No wonder they called him Beefy. Big lad. He came to see Liam play.


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bessantj wrote:
LoT you're missing Dai Watkins who played for Wales 63-67. Had some great tussles with John for the No10 shirt.

EDIT: Oh, Bleddyn Williams as well forgot about him would have been in there before Morgan. And you could sandwich Clifford Ashton between Morgan and Watkins.


During war-time Williams joined Cardiff and switched his position to centre. He was offered £6,000 to play rugby league for Leeds but turned down the offer[4] He forged a famous centre partnership for Cardiff with Dr Jack Matthews and along with Billy Cleaver they made one of the most formidable midfield trios the club has ever produced.


So Billy Cleaver was teh FH for Wales 1947 - 50, before Watkins took over.


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LoT

You can add Malcolm Dacey sharing with Gareth Davies as well as Gary Pearce.

Bowen took over from Jiffy sharing with Paul Turner.


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You can add Malcolm Dacey sharing with Gareth Davies as well as Gary Pearce.

Bowen took over from Jiffy sharing with Paul Turner.


Bowen - Bleddyn??

Colin Stephens had 4 caps too. Given that we were kind of mates, shouldn't have omitted him.


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You can't have Iestyn Harris deputising for Neil Jenkins - It's got to be Arwel Thomas!


(Also Iestyn Harris didn't make his debut until 2001)


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You can't have Iestyn Harris deputising for Neil Jenkins - It's got to be Arwel Thomas!


(Also Iestyn Harris didn't make his debut until 2001)


Arwel - forgot him


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Well that wasn't great. Our set piece was to say a little alarming


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13 handling errors, some woeful box kicking, dodgy lineouts, passing that lacked any sympathy, some clear rust from guys like shingler (understandable)... We've really gone out of our way to dampen expectation


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Normal service has been resumed. I missed it


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13 handling errors, some woeful box kicking, dodgy lineouts, passing that lacked any sympathy, some clear rust from guys like shingler (understandable)... We've really gone out of our way to dampen expectation

That sounds nasty, the 13 handling errors especially. Any news on Anscombe?


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bessantj wrote:
penguin wrote:
13 handling errors, some woeful box kicking, dodgy lineouts, passing that lacked any sympathy, some clear rust from guys like shingler (understandable)... We've really gone out of our way to dampen expectation

That sounds nasty, the 13 handling errors especially. Any news on Anscombe?


Hes shit at rugby still but he also got injured.


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korben_dallas wrote:
bessantj wrote:
penguin wrote:
13 handling errors, some woeful box kicking, dodgy lineouts, passing that lacked any sympathy, some clear rust from guys like shingler (understandable)... We've really gone out of our way to dampen expectation

That sounds nasty, the 13 handling errors especially. Any news on Anscombe?


Hes shit at rugby still but he also got injured.


:lol: Someone check on Theflier!


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korben_dallas wrote:
bessantj wrote:
penguin wrote:
13 handling errors, some woeful box kicking, dodgy lineouts, passing that lacked any sympathy, some clear rust from guys like shingler (understandable)... We've really gone out of our way to dampen expectation

That sounds nasty, the 13 handling errors especially. Any news on Anscombe?


Hes shit at rugby still but he also got injured.


:lol:


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Frodder wrote:
We've tipped another page. 400 at the end of the rwc

I'll be sure to pop by


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korben_dallas wrote:
bessantj wrote:
penguin wrote:
13 handling errors, some woeful box kicking, dodgy lineouts, passing that lacked any sympathy, some clear rust from guys like shingler (understandable)... We've really gone out of our way to dampen expectation

That sounds nasty, the 13 handling errors especially. Any news on Anscombe?


Hes shit at rugby still but he also got injured.


If by shit you mean ran with the ball with great pace to create 2 try scoring chances, slotted his conversion and kicked the ball out of hand was sound.

Still Biggar came on and showed us how to miss a kick to touch. Oh shit I'm becoming TheFlier


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Frodder wrote:
We've tipped another page. 400 at the end of the rwc

I'll be sure to pop by


I've got your number


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korben_dallas wrote:
bessantj wrote:
penguin wrote:
13 handling errors, some woeful box kicking, dodgy lineouts, passing that lacked any sympathy, some clear rust from guys like shingler (understandable)... We've really gone out of our way to dampen expectation

That sounds nasty, the 13 handling errors especially. Any news on Anscombe?


Hes shit at rugby still but he also got injured.

Oh it's this ray of sunshine.


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Wales looked like team who haven't played together for 20 years, but I expect normal service to resume, some good tries and line breaks mixed with awful passes and all round rust about the same amount as the titanic.


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BBC said Wales haven't tapered their training so maybe that'#s why they looked so tired, boosting fitness for the world cup?


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They did look tired and heavy legged, I expect a big improvement next week, we have to see that today as a bad day at the coalface.


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With Gats the training is a insane level right now by the time of the WC all the hard work will start to pay off.


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Win next week and this result will be forgotten.
Useless friendly cash cow shit


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had a poorly scheduled date, caught some of the game.

anscombe best attacking game?, forwards looked weak, moriarty looked shit and the 9s were bit useless

anymore?

oh and parkes defence is once again a big worry, just so slow


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Being told anscombe looks out? i think Jarrod needs as much game time as possible if true


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Bet the bois were just pleased to be playing a match after all the training. Keep the powder dry, get through the warm ups without too many injuries and let’s have a crack at a RWC.


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had a poorly scheduled date, caught some of the game.

anscombe best attacking game?, forwards looked weak, moriarty looked shit and the 9s were bit useless

anymore?

oh and parkes defence is once again a big worry, just so slow


I was his best attacking game but should have been withdrawn at least 5 mins before he was - that was a fudge up. However some on here think he's shit whatever he does.

Parkes defense went awol and they came through us on countless occasions. Cawdor's box kicking was ropey but in his defense he wasn't protected by the forwards. Good that Shingler was on the field. However for him that's where the good news ended


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bessantj wrote:
BBC said Wales haven't tapered their training so maybe that'#s why they looked so tired, boosting fitness for the world cup?


Maybe. I'd expect us to get beat next week as well if that's the case (there's only a 6 day turnaround)

There's then a 2 week gap before we play Ireland - so hopefully we'll approach those games with a bit more structure


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Being told anscombe looks out? i think Jarrod needs as much game time as possible if true

Crossing my fingers it's just a ligament strain and he'll be right for the WC.

c69 wrote:
Win next week and this result will be forgotten.
Useless friendly cash cow shit

It's pretty important. Otherwise the NH teams are going into the WC cold while the SH big four have just come off of the RC tournament.


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Here's Wales Online in a nutshell...

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GARETH DAVIES 8

What a try.

Wales needed something to perk them up after a shocking start and Davies produced it, bursting clear some 40 metres out, exposing Billy Vunipola’s lack of pace and leaving Elliot Daly standing with a lovely step.

The scrum-half’s game wasn’t error free — he had the odd kick charged down and pass snaffled by the opposition — but for a first game of the season it was a sparky effort.

For that try alone he deserves star-man status.


F*ck off. His try was spectacular, and I could understand bumping his rating quite a bit for that - he is a truly exceptional attacking threat ball in hand and that was up there with his best - but he was poor in every other aspect. How can he be an 8???


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I said this on the match thread, but I can’t work out how disappointed I am.

Very was the answer, after reading korben’s reply.

The set piece worries me immensely. If Fiji and Australia (plus Georgia - why not?) have the upper hand on us in those departments, then Jeff’s 2015 avatar may come true.


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I said this on the match thread, but I can’t work out how disappointed I am.

Very was the answer, after reading korben’s reply.

The set piece worries me immensely. If Fiji and Australia (plus Georgia - why not?) have the upper hand on us in those departments, then Jeff’s 2015 avatar may come true.


I wouldn't worry about it too much (a little bit is only natural). Lineout will be honed over the next month and will get better - the most mechanical of skills so time together and solid practice should rectify it. Scrum is probably due to minimal scrum training and lots of beasting designed for later results.

The handling errors were massively disappointing because had we held on to a few more passes we did make England creak in wider channels...and there was a point there where we had a bit of momentum, but we killed it again with poor handling and decision making - that one ruck (maybe 60 something minutes in) where we spent about five hours re-organising on the edge of their 22 having had a few good thrusts that had given us momentum. We then proceeded to wait...wait...wait...and promptly shovelled the ball out to a now completely organised defence and got knocked back before losing possession. Those sorts of things should be ironed out by game time.

I'm disappointed, but it was just a warm up - the only serious concern for me is Anscombe. We can cope with playing badly now, but if we start losing key players then we're in real trouble.

The one thing that I would say, in terms of disappointing aspects of the game, is I wish Tomos Williams would get some game time - I think he can nick that starting spot and make Gareth Davies the super sub that he could be in tight games.


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That third England try x( very amateur.


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LandOTurk wrote:
I posted Andy Hayden's dive in 1978 against us on another thread and noticed Gareth Davies was the FH.

So wanted to come up with a list of the primary Welsh FH over the years. Big gap for me in the 60s before Barry????


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1947 - 50 Billy Cleaver
1951 - 58 Cliff Morgan
1959 - 62 Cliff Ashton
1963 - 67 Dai Watkins
1968 - 72 Barry John
1972 - 77 Phil Bennett
1975 - 76 John Bevan
1978 - 85 Gareth Davies
1982 - 82 Gary Pearce
1983 - 85 Malcolm Dacey
1985 - 89 Jonathan Davies
1990 - 91 Adrian Davies
1990 - 91 Tony Clement
1992 - 92 Colin Stephens
1992 - 01 Neil Jenkins
1996 - 00 Arwel Thomas
2001 - 01 Iestyn Harris
2001 - 11 Stephen Jones
2006 - 08 James Hook
2011 - 12 Rhys Priestland
2013 - 18 Dan Biggar
2018 - 19 Gareth Anscombe

Does that sound about right???

Anyone want a shot at SH (or other positions) for the same time period?

Not a bad list, some of the all time greats that have donned the no10 for Wales.


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