I wouldn't worry about it too much (a little bit is only natural). Lineout will be honed over the next month and will get better - the most mechanical of skills so time together and solid practice should rectify it. Scrum is probably due to minimal scrum training and lots of beasting designed for later results.

The handling errors were massively disappointing because had we held on to a few more passes we did make England creak in wider channels...and there was a point there where we had a bit of momentum, but we killed it again with poor handling and decision making - that one ruck (maybe 60 something minutes in) where we spent about five hours re-organising on the edge of their 22 having had a few good thrusts that had given us momentum. We then proceeded to wait...wait...wait...and promptly shovelled the ball out to a now completely organised defence and got knocked back before losing possession. Those sorts of things should be ironed out by game time.

I'm disappointed, but it was just a warm up - the only serious concern for me is Anscombe. We can cope with playing badly now, but if we start losing key players then we're in real trouble.

The one thing that I would say, in terms of disappointing aspects of the game, is I wish Tomos Williams would get some game time - I think he can nick that starting spot and make Gareth Davies the super sub that he could be in tight games.

Thanks penguin - good reply.

I’m on holiday and so didn’t see much of the game (streaming was a partial success at best). In essence though, my gut feeling after the game was to agree with the bolded part.

It was reading Garin Jenkins’ comments on the BBC ticker where he showed deep concern about the Welsh set piece (noting the improvement in Fiji, and the Oz strength in this area) that got me gulping.

I watched a good chunk of the first half. To be 14-0 down after 15 minutes, and to chuck away lineout ball to the opposition on our 5 metre line was so very, very Welsh.

The intensity was awful. Did we improve in the second half? The scoreline suggests we had some parity.

Anscombe out with ACL injury apparently

I’ve just noted it on the Anscombe gone thread, but do you think that Gatland will keep Biggar on the bench? That does seem to be where he is most effective, and we may aim to keep things at the very least tight in games, until bringing him on.

I’d rather start with Patchell and bring Biggar on, than start with Biggar and bring Patchell on.

I’ve just noted it on the Anscombe gone thread, but do you think that Gatland will keep Biggar on the bench? That does seem to be where he is most effective, and we may aim to keep things at the very least tight in games, until bringing him on.

I’d rather start with Patchell and bring Biggar on, than start with Biggar and bring Patchell on.

It depends for me what version of Patchell turns up - the end of last season he looked down on confidence and very much a poor imitation of the player he can be.

Regardless, Biggar now starts.

So the players that were shit on Sunday were Shingler, Ken, Parkes, Cawdor and Patchell's also shit. I see a theme here

Very sad for Anscombe.

However, Priestland was parachuted into the 10 shirt during the 2011 warm up games and look how well that turned out. Maybe, just maybe, this will be the making of Jarrod or Patch.

Give them both a start against Ireland and see what happens.

Can't wait that long. The NEW BARRY JOHN needs a shit tonne of game time from here until the World Cup. Whether it's him or THE GINGER MESSIAH that Gatland plump for, they have to start every game from here on in.

Regardless, I will bet you Biggar starts the next game.

Can't wait that long. The NEW BARRY JOHN needs a shit tonne of game time from here until the World Cup. Whether it's him or THE GINGER MESSIAH that Gatland plump for, they have to start every game from here on in.

It's an interesting one alright. I actually think there's a good chance he starts one of the fringe 10's to give them game time.

It's an interesting one alright. I actually think there's a good chance he starts one of the fringe 10's to give them game time.

Can you imagine all the bollocks we'll have if Patch starts on Saturday? EJ's 'mind games'.

Throw the golden child in, why the fudge not

Only 3 changes

Wales team: Liam Williams (Saracens, 56 Caps); George North (Ospreys, 84 Caps), Jonathan Davies (Scarlets, 74 Caps), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets, 16 Caps), Josh Adams (Cardiff Blues, 11 Caps); Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, 71 Caps), Gareth Davies (Scarlets, 42 Caps); Nicky Smith (Ospreys, 29 Caps), Ken Owens (Scarlets, 65 Caps), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs, 41 Caps), Jake Ball (Scarlets, 33 Caps), Alun Wyn Jones (C) (Ospreys, 126 Caps), Aaron Wainwright (Dragons, 9 Caps), James Davies (Scarlets, 3 Caps), Ross Moriarty (Dragons, 32 Caps)

Replacements: Elliot Dee (Dragons, 19 Caps), Wyn Jones (Scarlets, 13 Caps), Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues, 13 Caps), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets, 18 Caps), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues, 16 Caps), Aled Davies (Ospreys, 17 Caps), Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues, 1 Cap), Owen Watkin (Ospreys, 14 Caps)

Interesting in bold.

Also is Cory Hill inured, out of favour or just Gats wants to give Shingler game time.

Happy for cubby too.