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Newport Gwent Dragons head coach Darren Edwards says the club have offered fly-half Jason Tovey a new deal in a bid to ward off interest from Cardiff Blues. Tovey's Dragons contract expires at the end of the season and the 22-year-old's agent has confirmed he has "verbally agreed" a two-year deal at the Blues. Blues coach Gareth Baber has admitted an "interest" but the Dragons hope an improved deal will tempt Tovey to stay. "We've offered Jason a new contract, that is with his agency," said Edwards.

"That will be our final contract offer. We offer our contracts at market value and that's as much as we can do.

"The ball is in his court."

If Tovey departs the Dragons it will be a huge blow to the struggling Pro 12 side as the Rodney Parade region will lose captain Luke Charteris in the summer. Aled Brew's Dragons deal also expires at the end of the season and the Wales wing has also been linked with a move to France. So the Dragons have launched a bid to keep one of their prized assets at the Gwent region but their closest rivals are certainly keen on the former Wales under-20 international. "There is an interest," confirmed Blues coach Gareth Baber.

"Jason is a great player."

"I've coached Jason since he was 18 years of age and in terms of the skill level he has got, he'll be a great asset to us here at the Cardiff Blues."

"But he is a Dragons player at the moment and we'll see where we are at the end of March."

Tovey's proposed move to the Blues is sure to cast doubts over the future of fly-half Dan Parks, who retired from Scotland duty on Tuesday, at the Cardiff City Stadium. Parks, signed from Glasgow in 2010 , has a contract at the Blues until the end of the season but has been linked with a move away from south Wales. Experienced former Wales fly-half Ceri Sweeney has also been linked with a return to home-town club Pontypridd. It seems Tovey, the 2010 Young Welsh Player of the Year, is the man the Blues hope will create chances for their Wales international back-line of Jamie Roberts, Gavin Henson, Leigh Halfpenny and Alex Cuthbert. Tovey's agent Jonathan Stuart, who works for Top Marque Sports management company, revealed to BBC Sport in January that his player has "verbally agreed" a "two-year deal" with the Blues.

Tovey, who was part of Wales' training camp ahead of the 2011 Rugby World Cup, will also hope the move boosts his Wales chances as the versatile back wants to be considered as a long-term option at number 10 and compete with Rhys Priestland, James Hook and Dan Biggar. Tovey was called up by Wales for their 2008 summer tour to North America but was forced to withdraw as he was required to play for the Dragons in a Heineken Cup play-off. He also had to pull out of Wales' pre-2011 World Cup training camp in Poland because of injury but Tovey passed the 500-point mark for the Dragons in their pre-Christmas derby defeat to the Blues.


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Jason Tovey is to leave Newport Gwent Dragons at the end of the season to join Welsh Pro 12 rivals Cardiff Blues. BBC Sport Wales understands the 22-year-old fly-half, whose Dragons contract expires in the summer, has signed a two-year deal at the Blues. Blues coach Gareth Baber has admitted an "interest" in the ex-Wales under-20 international while Dragons offered Tovey a new deal in a bid to keep him. But Tovey, a Rodney Parade academy graduate, has opted to exit Dragons. Tovey's departure is a blow to the struggling Dragons as the Newport-based region are set to lose a host of senior players this summer. Dragons will lose captain Luke Charteris in the summer while Aled Brew's Dragons deal also expires at the end of the season as the Wales wing has been linked with a move to France. Tovey's planned move to the Blues is sure to cast doubts over the future of fly-half Dan Parks, who retired from Scotland duty on Tuesday, at the Cardiff City Stadium.

Parks, signed from Glasgow in 2010 , has a contract at the Blues until the end of the season but has been linked with a move away from south Wales. The Blues' experienced former Wales fly-half Ceri Sweeney has also been linked with a return to home-town club Pontypridd. It seems Tovey, the 2010 Young Welsh Player of the Year, is the man the Blues hope will create chances for their Wales international back-line of Jamie Roberts, Gavin Henson, Leigh Halfpenny and Alex Cuthbert. Tovey's agent Jonathan Stuart, who works for Top Marque Sports management company, revealed to BBC Sport in January that his player has "verbally agreed" a "two-year deal" with the Blues.

Tovey, who was part of Wales' training camp ahead of the 2011 Rugby World Cup, will also hope the move boosts his Wales chances as the versatile back wants to be considered as a long-term option at number 10 and compete with Rhys Priestland, James Hook and Dan Biggar. Tovey, who made his senior Dragons debut in 2008 after graduating through their academy, was called up by Wales for their 2008 summer tour to North America but was forced to withdraw as he was required to play for the Dragons in a Heineken Cup play-off. He also had to pull out of Wales' pre-2011 World Cup training camp in Poland because of injury but Tovey passed the 500-point mark for the Dragons in their pre-Christmas derby defeat to the Blues.


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Newport Gwent Dragons have been given a £10,000 suspended fine and are forced to forfeit their LV= Cup clash with Saracens after the game was postponed. The Welsh region called the game off as their Rodney Parade pitch was frozen. But the LV= Cup's organising committee said there were no suitable alternative arrangements so awarded the English champions the fixture by a 20-0 score. The Dragons, whose suspended fine is in place until next season's pool phase is completed, finished bottom of Pool D. In a statement, cup organisers said: "The LV organising committee accepted that there was no intention to gain any advantage by the pitch being unplayable and that preventative measures were put in place. "The LV Cup regulations are clear in that it is the home team's responsibility to ensure they can stage the fixture, as outlined in regulation 6.7."

The Dragons have been forced to postponed a number of fixtures in recent years due to frozen or waterlogged pitches, including successive home derbies against the Cardiff Blues in 2010 and 2011 .

The Newport-based club also had to move their Heineken Cup pool game with Wasps from their frozen Rodney Parade home to the nearby Cardiff City Stadium in December 2010 because the ground in the Welsh capital had undersoil heating.


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Aled Brew is set to buck the recent trend of Rodney Parade departures by signing a new contract with Newport Gwent Dragons. The Wales wing, whose contract is up at the end of the season, had been linked with a move to Perpignan. But BBC Wales Sport understands that talks broke down following a change in the coaching set up at the French club. Brew has been overlooked for Wales' Six Nations squad but won his eighth cap in his sole appearance at the World Cup. The presence of Shane Williams and the emergence of George North, Leigh Halfpenny and Alex Cuthbert has restricted his opportunities in the Wales jersey. Brew's decision to stay with the Dragons comes a day after fly-half Jason Tovey confirmed he was leaving the region at the end of the season to join Cardiff Blues. The Newport-based region will also be losing Luke Charteris in June, with the Wales lock heavily linked with a move to Perpignan.

Chartersis's move to the Catalan club is expected to be unaffected by the coaching shake-up at the club, which follows the sacking of Jacques Delmas as coach in November. Delmas, who took over in July, paid the price for a poor start to the season that saw Perpignan languishing in ninth place in France's Top 14 Championship after 10 games. Defeat to the Dragons in the Amlin Challenge Cup was deemed to be the final straw. Marc Delpoux, current coach of Bordeaux-Begles and a former Perpignan captain, will take over at the end of the season.


Dew it's hard being a Dragons fan.


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The move to the city stadium has really f**ked Cardiff rugby. It will be the pie man's legacy.


The pie man has a dilemma. How to step aside without looking like a f**king bellend


If the blues go into administration, I would imagine it'll either be the Cardiff athletic club or the WRU themselves who would (try to) pick up the pieces :?


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The move to the city stadium has really f**ked Cardiff rugby. It will be the pie man's legacy.


The pie man has a dilemma. How to step aside without looking like a f**king bellend


If the blues go into administration, I would imagine it'll either be the Cardiff athletic club or the WRU themselves who would (try to) pick up the pieces :?


Or the other current shareholders. Thomas isn't the only wealthy man on the board.

A good rumour a few months back, heard more than once from sources who've been right before.:

The WRU will buy the Arms Park and lease it back to Cardiff. This would be win win win win: Thomas's loans would be repaid and he could happily skip into the sunset. The Athletic club would get a payday. Cardiff Blues would be able to start again debt free. The WRU would have a rental income every year and the chance to either complete the MS and/or build hospitality facilities on the rest of CAP.

Just rumour though. Though that'd still leave the problem of getting out of the CCS deal. So much speculation about clauses and stuff the only conclusion you can come to is that noone has a clue. Maybe going into admin and reforming is the only way. I don't know. This all might get much worse before it gets better.

In any case, without a deal like the one above, I cant see how Thomas can step out the picture without looking like someone who's made a real mess of things. His ego won't like that.


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The WRU will buy the Arms Park and lease it back to Cardiff. This would be win win win win: Thomas's loans would be repaid and he could happily skip into the sunset. The Athletic club would get a payday. Cardiff Blues would be able to start again debt free. The WRU would have a rental income every year and the chance to either complete the MS and/or build hospitality facilities on the rest of CAP.


That would certainly be an interesting scenario.

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Though that'd still leave the problem of getting out of the CCS deal


CCFC promotion would probably help but that doesn't seem very likely at this point. Council intervention maybe . . . . at the end of the day CCFC wouldn't have had their lego stadium if it wasn't for the council giving(?)/cheaply selling the land.


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The WRU will buy the Arms Park and lease it back to Cardiff. This would be win win win win: Thomas's loans would be repaid and he could happily skip into the sunset. The Athletic club would get a payday. Cardiff Blues would be able to start again debt free. The WRU would have a rental income every year and the chance to either complete the MS and/or build hospitality facilities on the rest of CAP.


That would certainly be an interesting scenario.

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Though that'd still leave the problem of getting out of the CCS deal


CCFC promotion would probably help but that doesn't seem very likely at this point. Council intervention maybe . . . . at the end of the day CCFC wouldn't have had their lego stadium if it wasn't for the council giving(?)/cheaply selling the land.


If they lose the likes of Roberts and 1/2p imagine the crowds at the CCS next season!!! On the plus side you'd be able to hear exactly what the ref was saying...


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What the fudge? This table is all crazy n shit

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What the fudge? This table is all crazy n shit



Can you expand? Or are you just surprised at how pants Newport are?


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The Carmarthenshire clubs are doing well this year.

Not sure why they haven't used Carmarthen Quins' logo there.


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What the fudge? This table is all crazy n shit



Can you expand? Or are you just surprised at how pants Newport are?


Newport, Swansea, Cardiff all at the wrong end of the table Quins and Llandovery up the top end. Bit of a pity about Tonmawr. If someone had shown you that table at the beginning of the season don't tell me you wouldn't have been surprised.


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The Carmarthenshire clubs are doing well this year.

Not sure why they haven't used Carmarthen Quins' logo there.


Thats a point, they're not using Pontypool's either. Conspiracy theories have been built on less.


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What the fudge? This table is all crazy n shit



Can you expand? Or are you just surprised at how pants Newport are?


Newport, Swansea, Cardiff all at the wrong end of the table Quins and Llandovery up the top end. Bit of a pity about Tonmawr. If someone had shown you that table at the beginning of the season don't tell me you wouldn't have been surprised.


Actually not that surprising. Those three sides take on a lot of the regional academy players, which isn't the advantage you'd think it might be. It means they have to chop and change from week to week.


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Good to see Bridgend bouncing back well though.


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Good to see Bridgend bouncing back well though.


Good to see Llandovery do well too. Its a bit of a weird season though because theres no relegation, everyone's already been told who is going down and who is staying up - although because this is Wales, it'll probably change again before the end of the season.


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Good to see Bridgend bouncing back well though.


Good to see Llandovery do well too. Its a bit of a weird season though because theres no relegation, everyone's already been told who is going down and who is staying up - although because this is Wales, it'll probably change again before the end of the season.


What do you think of the WRUs plans for the Premiership?


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Good to see Bridgend bouncing back well though.


Good to see Llandovery do well too. Its a bit of a weird season though because theres no relegation, everyone's already been told who is going down and who is staying up - although because this is Wales, it'll probably change again before the end of the season.


What do you think of the WRUs plans for the Premiership?


Fair enough in principle but inevitable that in practice there'd be irate men in blazers dragging it out.


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Good to see Bridgend bouncing back well though.


Good to see Llandovery do well too. Its a bit of a weird season though because theres no relegation, everyone's already been told who is going down and who is staying up - although because this is Wales, it'll probably change again before the end of the season.


What do you think of the WRUs plans for the Premiership?


Fair enough in principle but inevitable that in practice there'd be irate men in blazers dragging it out.


they should bring back the heady days of the Merit table. Ah those were the days South Wales Police giving people a kicking on the pitch and not just off it. Everyone getting two wins a year thanks to Penarth.


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Good to see Bridgend bouncing back well though.


Good to see Llandovery do well too. Its a bit of a weird season though because theres no relegation, everyone's already been told who is going down and who is staying up - although because this is Wales, it'll probably change again before the end of the season.


What do you think of the WRUs plans for the Premiership?


Fair enough in principle but inevitable that in practice there'd be irate men in blazers dragging it out.


they should bring back the heady days of the Merit table. Ah those were the days South Wales Police giving people a kicking on the pitch and not just off it. Everyone getting two wins a year thanks to Penarth.


I'm only just about old enough to remember the merit table, but it did provide the only reason I've ever had for going to Abertillery. I remember they've got quite a nice ground, or at least did.


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Good to see Bridgend bouncing back well though.


Good to see Llandovery do well too. Its a bit of a weird season though because theres no relegation, everyone's already been told who is going down and who is staying up - although because this is Wales, it'll probably change again before the end of the season.


What do you think of the WRUs plans for the Premiership?


Fair enough in principle but inevitable that in practice there'd be irate men in blazers dragging it out.


they should bring back the heady days of the Merit table. Ah those were the days South Wales Police giving people a kicking on the pitch and not just off it. Everyone getting two wins a year thanks to Penarth.


not so easy when bernard templeman was scrumhalf.


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The Carmarthenshire clubs are doing well this year.

Not sure why they haven't used Carmarthen Quins' logo there.


Thats a point, they're not using Pontypool's either. Conspiracy theories have been built on less.

Just some good old fashioned WRU empire building.


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Actually not that surprising. Those three sides take on a lot of the regional academy players, which isn't the advantage you'd think it might be. It means they have to chop and change from week to week.

And in Llanelli RFC's case, this season, an increasing number of players are having to step up to the Scarlets due to injury's/Int call ups.


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Chateris called up. Rees in contention. Roberts looks likely to be out. I would have rested Roberts even if he had been fit, anyway


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Chateris called up. Rees in contention. Roberts looks likely to be out. I would have rested Roberts even if he had been fit, anyway


Interesting selection dilemma for Gatland if Charteris is fit.

Ian Evans has done well, Ryan Jones has been immense and AWJ was alright. Where would Charteris fit in? Who's going to miss out?


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Chateris called up. Rees in contention. Roberts looks likely to be out. I would have rested Roberts even if he had been fit, anyway


Interesting selection dilemma for Gatland if Charteris is fit.

Ian Evans has done well, Ryan Jones has been immense and AWJ was alright. Where would Charteris fit in? Who's going to miss out?


On form, Ryan Jones is the first choice with a toss up between Two Dad's and Clarteris.


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Evans on the bench as he will be one of the first choice locks for the french game.


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Chateris called up. Rees in contention. Roberts looks likely to be out. I would have rested Roberts even if he had been fit, anyway


Interesting selection dilemma for Gatland if Charteris is fit.

Ian Evans has done well, Ryan Jones has been immense and AWJ was alright. Where would Charteris fit in? Who's going to miss out?


On form, Ryan Jones is the first choice with a toss up between Two Dad's and Clarteris.


Do you reckon. Personally I don' see how Charteris can force himself back in. Evans has varied from competent to quite good all tournament. Ryan Jones has been immense whenever called upon, and AWJ has two weeks on Charteris.

Personally I'd go for the same locks as against England.


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R Jones downfall is he can play in a number of positions.


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Chateris called up. Rees in contention. Roberts looks likely to be out. I would have rested Roberts even if he had been fit, anyway


Interesting selection dilemma for Gatland if Charteris is fit.

Ian Evans has done well, Ryan Jones has been immense and AWJ was alright. Where would Charteris fit in? Who's going to miss out?


On form, Ryan Jones is the first choice with a toss up between Two Dad's and Clarteris.


Do you reckon. Personally I don' see how Charteris can force himself back in. Evans has varied from competent to quite good all tournament. Ryan Jones has been immense whenever called upon, and AWJ has two weeks on Charteris.

Personally I'd go for the same locks as against England.


I would agree with that.

Nice to have options mind. Jesus, when was the last time we had six decent lock options (including Big Bad Brainless Bradley Davies)?


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R Jones downfall is he can play in a number of positions.

Aye, I wouldn't have him starting at lock.

He should either cover 4,5,6,8 with Tips covering 7 or just cover the backrow with a proper lock on the bench.


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Starting 15 i expect will be at full strength besides Roberts. Bench should have a few fringe players. Gill?


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I would like to see Gill again. He had a good game against the Irish.


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R Jones downfall is he can play in a number of positions.

Aye, I wouldn't have him starting at lock.

He should either cover 4,5,6,8 with Tips covering 7 or just cover the backrow with a proper lock on the bench.


A few short years ago the second and back row cover would have been Jonathan Thomas...now we have an on form Ryan Jones. Things are looking up.


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I'm keeping everything crossed for Ianto, I hope we can keep him on the pitch for a whole season, he has some potential that lad, just a shame he's made of glass and twigs.


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I would like to see Gill again. He had a good game against the Irish.


Being an over-confident sort, I'd be tempted to start him and would rest Gethin. Gill is a better scrummager for starters and Gethin's workrate might not be quite so vital against the Italians.

That said, it's just that sort of arrogance that will cause us to slip up so Muffy's right, let's go full strength.


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I'd give Clart a run out against Italy to see how he does. He is invaluable at the line out.


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I'm keeping everything crossed for Ianto, I hope we can keep him on the pitch for a whole season, he has some potential that lad, just a shame he's made of glass and twigs.

I think he will get the care once he moves to the scarlets.


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I'm keeping everything crossed for Ianto, I hope we can keep him on the pitch for a whole season, he has some potential that lad, just a shame he's made of glass and twigs.

I think he will get the care once he moves to the scarlets.


You and your bloody gossiping, you're a 'mare Muff! :lol:


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Full strength against the Italians.

If anyone important gets broke..who's to say it won't make the team more focused determined and it won't bring more f**king "edge" to proceedings against the French?


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Players can get injured in training. There's no point in putting them in cotton wool. The only reason I'd play Gill is because he needs the experience.


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Gill is a better scrummager for starters


And a handy ball carrier by the looks of him.

I agree though, full strength. It's going to be a tough game and continuity is important in this competition.


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