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Insane_Homer wrote:He'll fix it so that the result will screw the Sharks.

By disallowing intercept tries.

Sandstorm wrote:

Insane_Homer wrote:He'll fix it so that the result will screw the Sharks.

By disallowing intercept tries.

Offside intercept tries

2 cents rugby just released a video about it:

Referee Bias in Super Rugby

Frank S wrote:2 cents rugby just released a video about it:

Referee Bias in Super Rugby

SA refs definitely under the spotlight.

Sards wrote:

Frank S wrote:2 cents rugby just released a video about it:

Referee Bias in Super Rugby

SA refs definitely under the spotlight.

hey look at the positives at least SA rugby is back in the spotlight at last.

Penalties ref's home teams vs foreign teams (games played home or away)

Ben O'Keefe: 16/21 (2 games)
Glen Jackson: 11/7 (1 game)
Mike Fraser: 3/15 (1 game)
Jaco Peyper: 22/31 (3 games)
Nic Berry: 11/21 (2 games)
Angus Gardner: 38/50 (4 games)
Nick Briant: 25/13 (2 games)
AJ Jacobs: 17/18 (2 games)
Federico Anselmi - hasn't reffed a Jaguares game
Brendon Pickerill: 28/29 (3 games)
Egon Seconds: 3/31 (2 games)
Paul Williams: 9/11 (1 game)
Rasta Rasivhenge: 30/56 (5 games)
Marius van der Westhuizen: 11/8 (1 game)
Damon Murphy: 21/36 (3 games)

Jensrsa wrote:Penalties ref's home teams vs foreign teams (games played home or away)

Ben O'Keefe: 16/21 (2 games)
Glen Jackson: 11/7 (1 game)
Mike Fraser: 3/15 (1 game)
Jaco Peyper: 22/31 (3 games)
Nic Berry: 11/21 (2 games)
Angus Gardner: 38/50 (4 games)
Nick Briant: 25/13 (2 games)
AJ Jacobs: 17/18 (2 games)
Federico Anselmi - hasn't reffed a Jaguares game
Brendon Pickerill: 28/29 (3 games)
Egon Seconds: 3/31 (2 games)
Paul Williams: 9/11 (1 game)
Rasta Rasivhenge: 30/56 (5 games)
Marius van der Westhuizen: 11/8 (1 game)
Damon Murphy: 21/36 (3 games)

Egon Seconds

Jensrsa wrote: Egon Seconds: 3/31 (2 games)

Oh Lordy Lord. That's UNBELIEVABLE!

Ali's Choice wrote:

Jensrsa wrote: Egon Seconds: 3/31 (2 games)

Oh Lordy Lord. That's UNBELIEVABLE!

I see the Chiefs fans didn't start a whinge thread against Aussie refs because Gardner penalised them 13:3 in favour of the Reds

handyman wrote:I will also be running a special : Buy 10 armbands, get 1 free! At the moment I'm low on stock coloured Black, but new batches will be released shortly.

Wow, this guy sure is a hoot

Jensrsa wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:

Jensrsa wrote: Egon Seconds: 3/31 (2 games)

Oh Lordy Lord. That's UNBELIEVABLE!

I see the Chiefs fans didn't start a whinge thread against Aussie refs because Gardner penalised them 13:3 in favour of the Reds

Probably because 13:3 is nearly ten times less one-sided than Egon Seconds's 31:3 penalty ratio.

Ali's Choice wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:

Jensrsa wrote: Egon Seconds: 3/31 (2 games)

Oh Lordy Lord. That's UNBELIEVABLE!

I see the Chiefs fans didn't start a whinge thread against Aussie refs because Gardner penalised them 13:3 in favour of the Reds

Probably because 13:3 is nearly ten times less one-sided than Egon Seconds's 31:3 penalty ratio.

But in the OP you also whined because the Saders were pinged 12-3 against the Bulls but didn't bitch when the Saders were pinged 18-6 against the Clan by a Kiwi ref.

Ali's Choice wrote: On Friday night the Crusaders dominated just about every aspect of their match against the Bulls, but were absolutely annihilated in the penalty count 12-3.

You should be consistent and whinge about every lopsided penalty count

Hong Kong wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Rinkals wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:Rinks - Jonker was ‘punished’ - he was dropped from this week’s fixtures and, assumption on my behalf but with very good reason, will have been told that a fuck up like that again will cost him in future fixtures, quite possibly the RWC

Well, I think he should have had the book thrown at him, not given a week off. We shall see if he actually loses any other fixtures over it, but I have no confidence that he won't be back once the furore dies down.

He's back this weekend for the Lions v Stormers game

A player gets a red card and is given a week or two off; would a coach not select him for the next match? Would he be ignored forever?

This is what I mean: you close ranks to defend him.

Jonker is actually a pretty good ref which makes the so-called 'mistake' doubly suspicious.

And, if shows any bias in the Lions game it won't be for the Lions; it'll be for the side packed with springboks who have a better chance in the competition.

Rinkals wrote:Jonker is actually a pretty good ref which makes the so-called 'mistake' doubly suspicious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_tAt3sHLKw

(Bulls defeated Brumbies 38-36)

South African referees need to consider their fellow countrymen and get their house in order. We need them to apologise to our visitors and promise they won’t do it again for the rest of the year.

It is not that we care so much for the welfare of our opposition. Them losing here should happen anyway.

It’s just that in a World Cup year we don’t want to be in a position where we can’t legitimately lose our bowels when we get Bryce Lawrence-ed again.

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/super- ... _allowance

Jensrsa wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:

Jensrsa wrote: Egon Seconds: 3/31 (2 games)

Oh Lordy Lord. That's UNBELIEVABLE!

I see the Chiefs fans didn't start a whinge thread against Aussie refs because Gardner penalised them 13:3 in favour of the Reds

Probably because 13:3 is nearly ten times less one-sided than Egon Seconds's 31:3 penalty ratio.

But in the OP you also whined because the Saders were pinged 12-3 against the Bulls but didn't bitch when the Saders were pinged 18-6 against the Clan by a Kiwi ref.

Ali's Choice wrote: On Friday night the Crusaders dominated just about every aspect of their match against the Bulls, but were absolutely annihilated in the penalty count 12-3.

You should be consistent and whinge about every lopsided penalty count

Really dumb post. You cannot remove my whinge from the context in which it was made. Which was in the wake of a number of terribly one sided performances made by local South African referees in favour of South African teams. 20-1 ring a bell?

Only an incredibly defensive poster who try and stand up for Egon Seconds's 31-3 record against visiting teams? He is utterly pathetic and if you blindly defend him then you are no better than he is.

Rinkals wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Rinkals wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:Rinks - Jonker was ‘punished’ - he was dropped from this week’s fixtures and, assumption on my behalf but with very good reason, will have been told that a fuck up like that again will cost him in future fixtures, quite possibly the RWC

Well, I think he should have had the book thrown at him, not given a week off. We shall see if he actually loses any other fixtures over it, but I have no confidence that he won't be back once the furore dies down.

He's back this weekend for the Lions v Stormers game

A player gets a red card and is given a week or two off; would a coach not select him for the next match? Would he be ignored forever?

This is what I mean: you close ranks to defend him.

Jonker is actually a pretty good ref which makes the so-called 'mistake' doubly suspicious.

And, if shows any bias in the Lions game it won't be for the Lions; it'll be for the side packed with springboks who have a better chance in the competition.

Not quite sure how being dropped and publicly told he got it wrong can be regarded as closing ranks...

Ali's Choice wrote: Only an incredibly defensive poster who try and stand up for Egon Seconds's 31-3 record against visiting teams? He is utterly pathetic and if you blindly defend him then you are no better than he is.

While the 20:1 "score" may be an anomaly, the 11-2 count against the Tahs isn't and neither is the 12-3 against the Saders.

A number of teams conceded low penalty counts (3 or 4) during the course of the competition, in part due to teams on attack tend to play through penalty advantages, often quite a few.

Unfortunately Rasta got caught in the backlash of the Seconds' "scores"

I suppose it depends on perspective for many it was the bad old days but for others I bet it was the *good* old days and they have been pining for them since.

We also had to wait an impressive 6 days for a Ref and TMO combination to get a decision wrong between them. Bizarrely this has gone very quite since the Crusaders went on to win. Had the result been closer and SA officials been involved the usual suspects may have gone ballistic.

Hong Kong wrote:

Rinkals wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Rinkals wrote:
Well, I think he should have had the book thrown at him, not given a week off. We shall see if he actually loses any other fixtures over it, but I have no confidence that he won't be back once the furore dies down.

He's back this weekend for the Lions v Stormers game

A player gets a red card and is given a week or two off; would a coach not select him for the next match? Would he be ignored forever?

This is what I mean: you close ranks to defend him.

Jonker is actually a pretty good ref which makes the so-called 'mistake' doubly suspicious.

And, if shows any bias in the Lions game it won't be for the Lions; it'll be for the side packed with springboks who have a better chance in the competition.

Not quite sure how being dropped and publicly told he got it wrong can be regarded as closing ranks...

He should have had the book thrown at him.

Being told that he was wrong and getting a week off was the absolute minimum he could expect and the fact that you are presenting it as harsh makes it feel like you are being supportive of him

I want a punishment which will make him think twice before doing it again and send a warning to others who might be tempted to intervene on behalf of their favourite teams.

Wow rinkals. Take the blue pill, please .

He made an error, a serious one and you want him hung, drawn and quartered, feed to the pigeons and then shat upon. Did he fuck your mum, sister and dad?

Hong Kong wrote:Wow rinkals. Take the blue pill, please .

He made an error, a serious one and you want him hung, drawn and quartered, feed to the pigeons and then shat upon. Did he fuck your mum, sister and dad?

Worse apparently. He favoured the Stormers.

Sandstorm wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:Wow rinkals. Take the blue pill, please .

He made an error, a serious one and you want him hung, drawn and quartered, feed to the pigeons and then shat upon. Did he fuck your mum, sister and dad?

Worse apparently. He favoured the Stormers.

he's bent....I dont smaak bent vokkers....it makes everything illegitimate

Sandstorm wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:Wow rinkals. Take the blue pill, please .

He made an error, a serious one and you want him hung, drawn and quartered, feed to the pigeons and then shat upon. Did he fuck your mum, sister and dad?

Worse apparently. He favoured the Stormers.

Heinous crime

Sandstorm wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:Wow rinkals. Take the blue pill, please .

He made an error, a serious one and you want him hung, drawn and quartered, feed to the pigeons and then shat upon. Did he fuck your mum, sister and dad?

Worse apparently. He favoured the Stormers.

I don't care who he favoured, it's a blight on the game. Treating it as a minor mistake is tantamount to condoning it and encourages others to do the same.

Rinkals wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:Wow rinkals. Take the blue pill, please .

He made an error, a serious one and you want him hung, drawn and quartered, feed to the pigeons and then shat upon. Did he fuck your mum, sister and dad?

Worse apparently. He favoured the Stormers.

I don't care who he favoured, it's a blight on the game. Treating it as a minor mistake is tantamount to condoning it and encourages others to do the same.

Bollocks! . And I quote “he made an error, a serious one...” should give you a hint; as for the rest of your rant,

Jensrsa wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote: Only an incredibly defensive poster who try and stand up for Egon Seconds's 31-3 record against visiting teams? He is utterly pathetic and if you blindly defend him then you are no better than he is.

While the 20:1 "score" may be an anomaly, the 11-2 count against the Tahs isn't and neither is the 12-3 against the Saders.

A number of teams conceded low penalty counts (3 or 4) during the course of the competition, in part due to teams on attack tend to play through penalty advantages, often quite a few.

Unfortunately Rasta got caught in the backlash of the Seconds' "scores"

A few one sided penalty counts wouldn't have attracted much attention if they really did appear to be be anomalies. They would even out over time. But that isn't what the stats show.

Egon Seconds! Holy shit!

3 to 31??

guy smiley wrote:

Rinkals wrote: He should have had the book thrown at him.

Being told that he was wrong and getting a week off was the absolute minimum he could expect and the fact that you are presenting it as harsh makes it feel like you are being supportive of him

I want a punishment which will make him think twice before doing it again and send a warning to others who might be tempted to intervene on behalf of their favourite teams.

That's just emotion on your part.

He was sanctioned. Being stood down as a ref is a serious punishment.

Is there any likelihood of his being removed from the RWC panel?

Kiwias wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Rinkals wrote: He should have had the book thrown at him.

Being told that he was wrong and getting a week off was the absolute minimum he could expect and the fact that you are presenting it as harsh makes it feel like you are being supportive of him

I want a punishment which will make him think twice before doing it again and send a warning to others who might be tempted to intervene on behalf of their favourite teams.

That's just emotion on your part.

He was sanctioned. Being stood down as a ref is a serious punishment.

Is there any likelihood of his being removed from the RWC panel?

Not at this stage - unless there is another serious error in his games, I’d say he would be safe. There are only 4 TMOs, IIRC, for the RWC and finding another at short notice would not be impossible but the pool, whilst large, does not necessarily contain guys of the calibre required at the RWC

Hong Kong wrote: Not at this stage - unless there is another serious error in his games, I’d say he would be safe. There are only 4 TMOs, IIRC, for the RWC and finding another at short notice would not be impossible but the pool, whilst large, does not necessarily contain guys of the calibre required at the RWC

Hong Kong wrote: Not at this stage - unless there is another serious error in his games, I’d say he would be safe. There are only 4 TMOs, IIRC, for the RWC and finding another at short notice would not be impossible but the pool, whilst large, does not necessarily contain guys of the calibre required at the RWC

I would think that the chance of Jonker being TMO in the semis or final is rather slim after this

Jensrsa wrote:

Hong Kong wrote: Not at this stage - unless there is another serious error in his games, I’d say he would be safe. There are only 4 TMOs, IIRC, for the RWC and finding another at short notice would not be impossible but the pool, whilst large, does not necessarily contain guys of the calibre required at the RWC

I would think that the chance of Jonker being TMO in the semis or final is rather slim after this

You'd hope so, but we'll see.

I rather suspect that it'll just be brushed under the carpet.

Another bizarre refereeing performance overnight by Jaco Peyper in the Lions vs Reds match. Yet again we find a South African referee being extremely generous to a South African team playing an visiting franchise.

When is SANZAAR going to act to stop the blatant bias being shown by South African referees towards their home teams? This beyond a joke now. It has been happening for years, yet the more people complain the more SANZAAR dig their heels in. How many 20-1 penalty counts do we need before SANZAAR acts?

Ali's Choice wrote:Another bizarre refereeing performance overnight by Jaco Peyper in the Lions vs Reds match. Yet again we find a South African referee being extremely generous to a South African team playing an visiting franchise.

When is SANZAAR going to act to stop the blatant bias being shown by South African referees towards their home teams? This beyond a joke now. It has been happening for years, yet the more people complain the more SANZAAR dig their heels in. How many 20-1 penalty counts do we need before SANZAAR acts?

Peyper is one of my favourite refs. I cannot accept he would be complicit in some sort of corrupt SA reffing ring.

Ali's Choice wrote:Another bizarre refereeing performance overnight by Jaco Peyper in the Lions vs Reds match. Yet again we find a South African referee being extremely generous to a South African team playing an visiting franchise.

When is SANZAAR going to act to stop the blatant bias being shown by South African referees towards their home teams? This beyond a joke now. It has been happening for years, yet the more people complain the more SANZAAR dig their heels in. How many 20-1 penalty counts do we need before SANZAAR acts?

Beating the same old drum. You need to get new material. You are a bore.

Rasta was fine today. I do believe he's improving.

It was a neutral venue for him, of course.

Ted. wrote:Rasta was fine today. I do believe he's improving.

It was a neutral venue for him, of course.

Rasta is just a crap ref. Good to hear that he had a "fine" game.

Chilli wrote:

Ted. wrote:Rasta was fine today. I do believe he's improving.

It was a neutral venue for him, of course.

Rasta is just a crap ref. Good to hear that he had a "fine" game.

TBH, I haven't been overly impressed with his previously and he did make a few mistakes, but nothing too outrageous and he kept a lid on things. Perhaps it's a confidence thing.