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I did my part.

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How many seats actually changed hands from 3 years ago ...

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Well that was disappointing.


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I did my part.

Have a chat to AC and his northern "mates"

Yeah fúck this place. A bombing campaign in regional and centres is appealing as a productive use of my time.


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Liberals chanting "Queensland" at Scott Morrison's victory speech. :|


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 Post subject: Re: Qld Out
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It's such a dreadful place but people still flock there from other states.


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 Post subject: Re: Qld Out
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Yeah it's very disappointing. Keep in mind that we have a state ALP govt. there are loads of localised factors, but the ALP should have done better in Brisbane and SE QLD.


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Ali's Choice wrote:
Yeah it's very disappointing. Keep in mind that we have a state ALP govt. there are loads of localised factors, but the ALP should have done better in Brisbane and SE QLD.

Indeed. An ALP government for 25 out of the past 30 years.

The idea that they can't win in Qld is wrong. But if federal Labor want to win in that state, they have to change some of what they're doing.

Elsewhere, you only have to consider the mother city. Sydney a bit less so but N.S.W. is still essentially Newcastle.Sydney.Wollongong.

Qld doesn't have a five-million-person capital that determines the vote. To the contrary, it's the non-metropolitan that dominates there. That demographic does also exist in NSW, but it's comparatively less than one quarter instead of more like a half.


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 Post subject: Re: Qld Out
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Indeed. An ALP government for 25 out of the past 30 years.

The idea that they can't win in Qld is wrong. But if federal Labor want to win in that state, they have to change some of what they're doing.

Elsewhere, you only have to consider the mother city. Sydney a bit less so but N.S.W. is still essentially Newcastle.Sydney.Wollongong.

Qld doesn't have a five-million-person capital that determines the vote. To the contrary, it's the non-metropolitan that dominates there. That demographic does also exist in NSW, but it's comparatively less than one quarter instead of more like a half.


Central and Northern QLD are always going to be tough for the ALP to win and hold. But a seat like Reid in NSW shouldn't have been. It's the Sydney seats like Reid, Banks and Lindsay, and the metropolitan seats in Brisbane like Dickson that the ALP needed to win. The QLD Bush seats were always going to be nearly impossible to win or retain given the One Nations and UAP influence.

In the end it seems that Clive Palmers ad blitz helped the Coalition. In the last fortnight his ads were all solely anti-ALP and I was seeing two ads every ad break on free to air television.

Once my depression clears, it is going to be interesting to see what the Coalition actually do for the next 3 years. I don't actually think they were expecting to win, and they certainly don't have any major policies or programs to implement.


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In the end it seems that Clive Palmers ad blitz helped the Coalition. In the last fortnight his ads were all solely anti-ALP and I was seeing two ads every ad break on free to air television.


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So you want to build a coal mine in north QLD but need adani to lead the path. what do you do:

1. Transfer some cash from your nickel refinery to the caymans.
2. Send your nickel refinery into liquidation.
3. Get the government to bail out $70mil on wages you owe your workers.
4. Spend $60 million on a bullshit campaign against labour to swing QLD to the LIBS.
5. No need for political donation scrutiny when the party is in your name.
6. The libs now owe you.


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 Post subject: Re: Qld Out
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Once my depression clears, it is going to be interesting to see what the Coalition actually do for the next 3 years. I don't actually think they were expecting to win, and they certainly don't have any major policies or programs to implement.


I made a comment a couple of days ago (in the expectation the ALP would win) that the Libs are leaving a massive financial shitstorm to inherit. Now they've got to do something with their own mess and it's going to be difficult to navigate a way through. The economy is in a mess, house prices are falling like stones, wages are static and genuine workforce participation rates are poor.

I'm more worried about something else though. Most don't want to admit this yet but we're facing a climate emergency and these clowns will only make that worse. Time is running out and this result will cost us more.


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Exactly, it baffles me how they have sold future generations down the gurgler.

I'm lucky enough to not be affected by any of this in real terms apart from having to listen to a cretin as a PM

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Exactly, it baffles me how they have sold future generations down the gurgler.

I'm lucky enough to not be affected by any of this in real terms apart from having to listen to a cretin as a PM

:frown:


We will all be affected though. The govt of the day sets the tone for the country in which we live. Morrison will lead a nastier, divided and more selfish country. Morrison will lead a country where religious zealots and white wing nationalists will be emboldened. He will lead a country where the benefits of 27 years of economic growth will continue to be enjoyed a small elite, at the expense of the masses.


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 Post subject: Re: Qld Out
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In Dickson, Dutton made himself the local. Focus was on local improvements as well as running an ALP scare campaign. The ALP candidate was very credible but a) didn't live in the electorate (yet) and b) just focused on the general ALP message. Mr Potato Head ultimately ran a clever campaign but still remains a complete plum.


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I also don't think the Libs rented planes flying "the Bill you can't afford" banners over the weekend sports carnivals.

The 2 dump Dutton planes did more damage than good. The gut feeling at south pine was we will decide who we send to parliament not getup.


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I do not know what defines "Australia" any more. We are such a fragmented and divided nation now.


Scummo ran an incredibly tight and disciplined campaign, in retrospect he worked out that his only chance was to appeal to the small "c" conservatives who proliferate not only in the big "c" Conservative parties, but also in the ALP.


The Franking Credits scare campaign seems to have been effective, but Bob Brown's caravan of the righteous was the killer blow.


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In Dickson, Dutton made himself the local. Focus was on local improvements as well as running an ALP scare campaign. The ALP candidate was very credible but a) didn't live in the electorate (yet) and b) just focused on the general ALP message. Mr Potato Head ultimately ran a clever campaign but still remains a complete plum.


You know that Peter Dutton has lived on the Gold Coast for years, yeah?


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I do not know what defines "Australia" any more. We are such a fragmented and divided nation now.


Scummo ran an incredibly tight and disciplined campaign, in retrospect he worked out that his only chance was to appeal to the small "c" conservatives who proliferate not only in the big "c" Conservative parties, but also in the ALP.


The Franking Credits scare campaign seems to have been effective, but Bob Brown's caravan of the righteous was the killer blow.


I disagree wamberal. That wouldn't have shifted a single vote south of Gladstone. This election was lost in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, not in Central and North QLD.


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From Gympie north is a tough place to live. It's a vast area inhabited by mostly hands on workers - miners and farmers. They are exposed to cyclones, floods, droughts and cyclical local economies. They feel they are largely ignored by the rest of the country.

North Queenslanders are desperate for employment opportunities, they see the Adani mine as vital to their ongoing prosperity. Bob Brown and his cavalcade of followers traipsing up there thinking he'd do anything positive for the result was a bone headed move if ever I've seen one. He managed to galvanize plenty against the left.

A good lesson to both sides of the political divide is to not stand between north Queenslanders and a job.


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wamberal99 wrote:
I do not know what defines "Australia" any more. We are such a fragmented and divided nation now.


Scummo ran an incredibly tight and disciplined campaign, in retrospect he worked out that his only chance was to appeal to the small "c" conservatives who proliferate not only in the big "c" Conservative parties, but also in the ALP.


The Franking Credits scare campaign seems to have been effective, but Bob Brown's caravan of the righteous was the killer blow.


beat me to it.


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From Gympie north is a tough place to live. It's a vast area inhabited by mostly hands on workers - miners and farmers. They are exposed to cyclones, floods, droughts and cyclical local economies. They feel they are largely ignored by the rest of the country.

North Queenslanders are desperate for employment opportunities, they see the Adani mine as vital to their ongoing prosperity. Bob Brown and his cavalcade of followers traipsing up there thinking he'd do anything positive for the result was a bone headed move if ever I've seen one. He managed to galvanize plenty against the left.

A good lesson to both sides of the political divide is to not stand between north Queenslanders and a job.


It's more complex than that though.

I live in the sprawling electorate of Maranoa. The popuation in all the Outback towns in Maranosa is declining, because there is no work for anyone. Locals tell me that times have never been worse in terms of the economy. There is the palpable stench of death in the air and the general populace are extremely negative about the longterm prospects of their region. Yet this elecroate has always voted Natinonal party and last night National Party MP David Littleproud was returned with a 2PP of around 73%. How does that work? How can an area be in a state of terminal economic and social decline, yet keep voting in the same party to be their local members?

Moreover, in many parts of North QLD there aren't enough people to fill the jobs available. When I lived in Mt Isa they didn;t just FIFO miners. They used FIFO cleaners, retail assistants and even the local Maccas crew members were largely FIFO. No locals would work at Maccas when they could earn $80,000 a year as an unskilled 17 year old holding 'stop' and 'go' lollipop signs for mining trucks.


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How does wearing a baseball cap and a goofy smile work for a Prime Ministerial candidate?


Questions like these are imponderable for some of us. But obviously there are myriads of people for whom the values of life are totally different.


As I said earlier, there is no single "Australian" identity any more. It will re-emerge, but not for a generation probably. Huge influxes of people from diverse backgrounds and religious views are stirring the pot. Nothing wrong with that, but it does mean that the political values of the nation are changing in ways that some of us cannot understand. And we should not forget that for large numbers of people in some electorates English is not their first language. Keep it simple, in other words.


Scummo and his ilk obviously appeal to a majority. It will be interesting to see what the eventual voting numbers are.


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Ali's Choice wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:
In Dickson, Dutton made himself the local. Focus was on local improvements as well as running an ALP scare campaign. The ALP candidate was very credible but a) didn't live in the electorate (yet) and b) just focused on the general ALP message. Mr Potato Head ultimately ran a clever campaign but still remains a complete plum.


You know that Peter Dutton has lived on the Gold Coast for years, yeah?


Yes and would spend more time in Canberra but he came across more local than Ali France who said she would buy a house IF she won. Fatal mistake. Dutton just took everything and made it local. Not that he could take anything Federal and be terribly proud.

I honestly expected him to lose - :blush:


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It's more complex than that though.

I live in the sprawling electorate of Maranoa. The population in all the Outback towns in Maranosa is declining, because there is no work for anyone. Locals tell me that times have never been worse in terms of the economy. There is the palpable stench of death in the air and the general populace are extremely negative about the longterm prospects of their region. Yet this electorate has always voted National party and last night National Party MP David Littleproud was returned with a 2PP of around 73%. How does that work? How can an area be in a state of terminal economic and social decline, yet keep voting in the same party to be their local members?

Moreover, in many parts of North QLD there aren't enough people to fill the jobs available. When I lived in Mt Isa they didn't just FIFO miners. They used FIFO cleaners, retail assistants and even the local Maccas crew members were largely FIFO. No locals would work at Maccas when they could earn $80,000 a year as an unskilled 17 year old holding 'stop' and 'go' lollipop signs for mining trucks.[/quote]


I thinks it's all about the hip pocket. People vote for whoever they think will do the best job financially. Everyone is chasing the almighty dollar - FIFOs, lollipop locals, parents. Long term regional families really want strong local economies so their kids have jobs that let them stay local. It's a nightmare for mum to think that her kids will move to the smoke and she'll have to follow. Likewise dad knows the fishing, crabbing and shooting is way better up north. The city is for soft cocks the loony left is a very widely held view.


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I thinks it's all about the hip pocket.


Whilst I agree that's the case, the ALP was offering tax cuts to more people than the Coalition.

The Coalition has just pulled off the mother of all scare campaigns. Good on them, if I was one of their supporters I'd be stoked. But it wasn't based on facts. More Australians would have been better off under the ALP. What the Liberals essentially sold was aspiration. Whilst they couldn't match the scale of the ALP's tax cuts they could offer voters hope that one day they could access some of the very generous tax loopholes that currentluy exist, such as negatively gearing investment properties and franking credits. They also scared just about everyone into believing that their cost of living would increase despite no actual evidence supporting this claim.


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I was very surprised that the Libs didn't push back against Getup going after Dutton, countering with the turf out the criminal immigrants policy. Maybe they did, but i didn't see it?

Clearly Peter Dutton is a very unattractive man who'd made himself a big target. I heard the ALP and Getup were smashing him in Victoria. Given many Melbournians are concerned about black gangs, the simplistic fix is to promise to chuck them out which resonates with those who are (rightly or wrongly) concerned. Did the LNP use Duttons war on dodgy immigrants as a battle cry?


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Ali's Choice wrote:
Hardtackle wrote:
I thinks it's all about the hip pocket.


Whilst I agree that's the case, the ALP was offering tax cuts to more people than the Coalition.

The Coalition has just pulled off the mother of all scare campaigns. Good on them, if I was one of their supporters I'd be stoked. But it wasn't based on facts. More Australians would have been better off under the ALP. What the Liberals essentially sold was aspiration. Whilst they couldn't match the scale of the ALP's tax cuts they could offer voters hope that one day they could access some of the very generous tax loopholes that currentluy exist, such as negatively gearing investment properties and franking credits. They also scared just about everyone into believing that their cost of living would increase despite no actual evidence supporting this claim.


I've lived in SEQLD all my life. The widely held view is that Labor over spend and the Libs have to fix it up. So whilst Labor was promising lower taxes most don't believe them. Morrison just needs to say "who's going to pay for it"? Yes it's simplistic, but most people care more about the footy or their jetski than politics.


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Exactly, it baffles me how they have sold future generations down the gurgler.

I'm lucky enough to not be affected by any of this in real terms apart from having to listen to a cretin as a PM

:frown:


We will all be affected though. The govt of the day sets the tone for the country in which we live. Morrison will lead a nastier, divided and more selfish country. Morrison will lead a country where religious zealots and white wing nationalists will be emboldened. He will lead a country where the benefits of 27 years of economic growth will continue to be enjoyed a small elite, at the expense of the masses.


Not really, sadly, being DINKs an opening a house in inner Sydney is pretty cushy.

Surprisingly, I am a pinko socialist.


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I was very surprised that the Libs didn't push back against Getup going after Dutton, countering with the turf out the criminal immigrants policy. Maybe they did, but i didn't see it?

Clearly Peter Dutton is a very unattractive man who'd made himself a big target. I heard the ALP and Getup were smashing him in Victoria. Given many Melbournians are concerned about black gangs, the simplistic fix is to promise to chuck them out which resonates with those who are (rightly or wrongly) concerned. Did the LNP use Duttons war on dodgy immigrants as a battle cry?


Not surprisingly, reports of African gangs terrorizing Melbourne almost vanished completely following Matthew Guy’s crushing defeat last year...


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Saw on FaceBook a NSW based friend calling for a boycott of all things Queensland, including holidays ”The purchasing power of City people in Southern states will have its say”

Any advice on products to avoid?


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I think people need to relax.

Sure, it might have been nice to see Labor win.

That noted, the Liberals aren't exactly the Republican Party.

ScoMo isn't Donald Trump.

Straya is going to be okay.


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Mr Mike wrote:
Saw on FaceBook a NSW based friend calling for a boycott of all things Queensland, including holidays ”The purchasing power of City people in Southern states will have its say”

Any advice on products to avoid?

Pineapple rings, pineapple lumps, pine, apples, pineapple products


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Mr Mike wrote:
Saw on FaceBook a NSW based friend calling for a boycott of all things Queensland, including holidays ”The purchasing power of City people in Southern states will have its say”

Any advice on products to avoid?

Bananas
Mangoes
Citrus
Electricity
Diesel fuel
Gas
Things made of metals other than Iron.
Oxygen cycled by our carbon schemes
you can pick what you want to skip


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Mr Mike wrote:
Saw on FaceBook a NSW based friend calling for a boycott of all things Queensland, including holidays ”The purchasing power of City people in Southern states will have its say”

Any advice on products to avoid?

Pineapple rings, pineapple lumps, pine, apples, pineapple products

Sounds all too hard, I’m out but will post heartbreak emoji in support of all affected.


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