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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:27 am 
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Folau was stood down before being found guilty. I’m sure there are others in union.


There was no doubt though, short of a late-in-the-day hacking claim, that Folau was the party at fault - whatever you think of his message and it's validity.

There's plenty of doubt in the Crusaders' case.


That shouldn’t matter should it? Either players are stood down while they are investigated, or they aren’t. Presumed guilty or innocent shouldn’t come into it. Actually, it’s quite alarming that it could.

As an aside, hard to imagine the Mo will be fully exonerated when he himself admits he can’t remember the evening.


How many players do you think you’d keep on the the field if they stood down everyone who received an allegation on social media? It would be an interesting tactic for opposition fans; Beauden called me a nancy boy in Burger King, I demand you investigate and that he can’t play against the Chiefs this week etc


Only if it warrants an investigation (which becomes an issue in its own right I guess). Problem we have is that some people might think the crusaders aren’t taking this seriously after seeing others like Folau stood down. Though, appointing that lawyer (who wont be afraid to call it if she sees it) likely fixed that.

For what it’s worth, sounds like Bridge did sfa but mo is a bit more questionable.


Mo will almost certainly face some kind of sanction, he’s admitted to being black-out drunk at best.

Given the testimony of independent witnesses including McDonald’s security staff disputing the accuser’s account then short of surveillance footage of Bridge physically attacking someone then I’d say he’ll be fine


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:30 am 
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It’s a genuine question Smiley. I read an article on stuff recently about whether it was right to allow the players in question to play. It cited several Aussie examples (including NRL) where players are stood down while investigated. However, pretty sure guilt was obvious in most cases, but I don’t think it would have changed anything if it was more contentious.


The NRL have done it for players facing serious criminal charges that carry a potential 10+ year sentence


As Naki has already pointed out, all it takes is for me to unleash a social media torrent of accusation about Beauden Barrett and you'd have him stood down.

anyone have his Insta handle?


Don’t worry, your Cruelsaders have already finished with him for the season


I was thinking a little further ahead Nakidude...

sometime around late September... early November.


But Mo might still be banned by then! We’ll be left with Brett Cameron starting at 10 against the Boks. Be careful bro


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Don’t even fooken joke about that :x

Edit: this was targeted at Smiley but works equally well for naki, I think.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:38 am 
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So mounga would get sanctioned for admitting he was drunk -but nothing else

Seems a bit harsh


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Don’t even fooken joke about that :x

Edit: this was targeted at Smiley but works equally well for naki, I think.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Don’t even fooken joke about that :x

Edit: this was targeted at Smiley but works equally well for naki, I think.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:41 am 
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So mounga would get sanctioned for admitting he was drunk -but nothing else

Seems a bit harsh


Not sure what internal protocols the Crusaders have in place but I’m fairly sure getting so intoxicated that you can’t remember if you sexually harrassed someone will not be on the To Do list.


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Don’t even fooken joke about that :x

Edit: this was targeted at Smiley but works equally well for naki, I think.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:04 am 
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So mounga would get sanctioned for admitting he was drunk -but nothing else

Seems a bit harsh


Not sure what internal protocols the Crusaders have in place but I’m fairly sure getting so intoxicated that you can’t remember if you sexually harrassed someone will not be on the To Do list.

I prefer to wait until we get AC’s opinion on this matter.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 am 
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naki wrote:
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So mounga would get sanctioned for admitting he was drunk -but nothing else

Seems a bit harsh


Not sure what internal protocols the Crusaders have in place but I’m fairly sure getting so intoxicated that you can’t remember if you sexually harrassed someone will not be on the To Do list.


"I'm really sorry for that I'm not aware that I did that. Obviously was intoxicated and should've gone home long before that stage, I'm sorry to you and your friends and want to assure you I don't condone that behaviour and am sorry about that," he said.

Think this an intentionally vague statement not actually admitting anything (apart from being intoxicated) but apologising anyway to keep the peace -pc style

Hes not necessarily saying he was so intoxicated he can’t remember it, and he’s not admitting to anything apart from being intoxicated - as the whole incident may not have happened anyway

Intoxication is a very broad term - but yeh who knows how drunk he was and what protocols there are on alcohol consumption

Is spitting beer /whatever on someone sexual harassment?

The bum pinching allegation seems to have gone away

Whatever -I dunno - maybe mounga just got smashed and spat on someone - who knows


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:23 am 
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The bum pinching allegation seems to have gone away


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:41 am 
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Vok what a sorry lot.

Jonker to blame.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:51 am 
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The bum pinching allegation seems to have gone away


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Heard he pinched a bum - maybe i heard wrong


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The bum pinching allegation seems to have gone away


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Heard he pinched a bum - maybe i heard wrong


You are correct.

Yesterday - bum grabbing from behind

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/r ... beer-woman

Today, no mention of it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sup ... -cape-town


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:00 am 
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Shame , he only know how to approach ugly woman.


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Independent witnesses have apparently come forward backing up the Crusaders version of events (nothing homophobic). If this is made up, that's pretty disappointing behaviour.



Very similar to made up penalties against Non Saffer sides.

I see a pattern,.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:19 pm 
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And still.... no evidence is forthcoming. Even in South Africa of all places do you not think If you made accusations of a sexual hate crime you would be able to easily obtain CCTV footage from a McDonald’s?

If this happened in any NZ City I can guarantee teams & players would have access to the CCTV footage within 48 hours. It’s been nearly 5 days and you know what we have???

Baseless accusations and tall poppy syndrome at its finest.

If in doubt, prove me wrong..


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Sexual hate crime is a tad drastically. Behaving like an drunk spoiled brat sounds about right.


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I'm not suggesting nothing happened, no way...

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The woman, who said she emailed the Crusaders' management, said she decided to speak out after hearing of allegations of the homophobic slurs last weekend and that she, too, was seeking security footage of the incident.



I'm just not seeing clear and compelling evidence.


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Yes, it would be nice to see some actual evidence. Or even just something that provides context. If Dick Mo was spiting beer over people was it deliberate, provoked or an accident due to hearing a joke or just because he made the mistake of ordering a pint of Castle?


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Yes, it would be nice to see some actual evidence. Or even just something that provides context. If Dick Mo was spiting beer over people was it deliberate, provoked or an accident due to hearing a joke or just because he made the mistake of ordering a pint of Castle?

He was pissed, fancied a bird, got knocked back and then spat beer at her. Probably.


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Yes, it would be nice to see some actual evidence. Or even just something that provides context. If Dick Mo was spiting beer over people was it deliberate, provoked or an accident due to hearing a joke or just because he made the mistake of ordering a pint of Castle?

He was pissed, fancied a bird, got knocked back and then spat beer at her. Probably.

The Castle explanation sounds more likely


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A friend who is, shall we say, less than charitable with his sentiment, suggested Richie may have been inspired to do a whale impersonation after too many sherries. A suggestion supported by his theory there was no bum pinch, merely an unfortunate contact due to lack of space.


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Even stranger that in this modern age we surprisingly don't have any cellphone footage from any source at either incident


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Even stranger that in this modern age we surprisingly don't have any cellphone footage from any source at either incident


I read that there was a tiny clip that basically had a Crusaders minder trying to remove the phone. Think it was on the spinoff?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 10:59 pm 
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The bum pinching allegation seems to have gone away


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Heard he pinched a bum - maybe i heard wrong


You are correct.

Yesterday - bum grabbing from behind

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/r ... beer-woman

Today, no mention of it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sup ... -cape-town


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The NZ media is starting to rival the AFL in this area.


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i remember fijian halfback Niko Matawalu faced a similar situation in Exeter, his hand brushed agaisnt a woman's ass in a bar and she claimed he sexually assaulted her...it was idiotic on her part and though niko was acquitted, he no longer wanted to stay in england..IMO, people should ignore stuff like this unless there is actual proof such as the one faced by another fijian Josais Rasuqe.


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Yes, it would be nice to see some actual evidence. Or even just something that provides context. If Dick Mo was spiting beer over people was it deliberate, provoked or an accident due to hearing a joke or just because he made the mistake of ordering a pint of Castle?

He was pissed, fancied a bird, got knocked back and then spat beer at her. Probably.

The Castle explanation sounds more likely

No.
He would have powerchucked over her.


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Even stranger that in this modern age we surprisingly don't have any cellphone footage from any source at either incident


I read that there was a tiny clip that basically had a Crusaders minder trying to remove the phone. Think it was on the spinoff?


That was a SARU minder and no players were in the video...


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Even stranger that in this modern age we surprisingly don't have any cellphone footage from any source at either incident


I read that there was a tiny clip that basically had a Crusaders minder trying to remove the phone. Think it was on the spinoff?


That was a SARU minder and no players were in the video...


Ah ok, but my point was that was the only mention of people recording it that I’ve come across.


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Thomas wrote:
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The bum pinching allegation seems to have gone away


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Heard he pinched a bum - maybe i heard wrong


You are correct.

Yesterday - bum grabbing from behind

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/r ... beer-woman

Today, no mention of it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sup ... -cape-town


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The NZ media is starting to rival the AFL in this area.


The NZ media have stopped referencing the bum and are now using the more sinister sounding “groped” to describe the incident


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Yeah, there was talk of the Crusaders players taking photos or videos, strange that hasn't seen the light of day either...


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Yeah, there was talk of the Crusaders players taking photos or videos, strange that hasn't seen the light of day either...


Seriously?


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In fairness we should be dealing in facts before throwing players under the bus.


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In fairness we should be dealing in facts before throwing players under the bus.


Where’s the fun in that?


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News coming in, Jonker has reviewed the security cam footage, it looks like Moung'a did spit alcohol to his side but because he was walking fast, the spit actually traveled forward and hit the woman in the face, so yeah it looks like Richie will be facing the disciplinary committee..


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News coming in, Jonker has reviewed the security cam footage, it looks like Moung'a did spit alcohol to his side but because he was walking fast, the spit actually traveled forward and hit the woman in the face, so yeah it looks like Richie will be facing the disciplinary committee..


So you're saying it was backwards out of the mouth?


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He might not even been the guy who grabbed her, and the spitting beer could of been accidental.

She said she felt someone grab her and turned around and saw him. Obviously he was very pissed which is a bad thing.

I remember seeing one of my classmates grab another classmates butt, she then turns around and full on punches another guy who did not see what happened in the face, it was kind of hilarious I had to get in and say what really happened it was tevita not dennis. Poor Dennis looked so shocked lol. Tevita did it on purpose to get dennis in trouble.


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Any news on the video footage?

Anyway ... evidence or not, Aaron Mauger is subtly putting the boot into his old team ahead of the Highlanders tour noting:

"We're pretty confident in the environment we've created for our boys"

And

"If our boys live by our team values and they're good, respectful human beings they shouldn't run into any of these issues out and about."

Guilty as charged in the eyes of Mr Mauger it seems.


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Any news on the video footage?


Still nothing on his Insta, nothing on the news websites in SA or NZ.

He has posted other things on his social media just nothing about the Crusaders


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