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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:28 am 
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Should have played more tests. Fcuken Deans.


Yeah wasn't he another senior pro jettisoned too early by Dingo Deans? Then he brought him back for the Lions series and shamefully sent him back out into battle when he was clearly concussed.


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Interesting physique Smith has as well, very thick waisted, big backside and thighs. If you had to pick the perfect shape to play rugby then you wouldn't go far wrong with his. Super player.

:lol: Yes, quite. In that sense, he's the Fergie McCormick of his generation.


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I always reckoned Fungus would have been a superb hooker, tough as nails, quick reactions, physique that made him seem ready to join a scrum, ugly as sin already so could not be made to look worse, very mobile

Would hold the record for yellow cards for pure thuggery. Or not, he might have the Owen Franks cloak of thuggery invisibility (not be confused with Richie's cloak of course).

I can't pass up you discussing Fergie without chucking a thug comment.


In that respect, maybe it was smart to keep him back at fb where the opportunities for more direct physical confrontation are limited compared to the front row.


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Trying to remember who it was that emerged from the bottom of a ruck with one of Smith's dreadlocks? Burger?

Must sting a bit to have a dreadlock pulled out...


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Trying to remember who it was that emerged from the bottom of a ruck with one of Smith's dreadlocks? Burger?

Must sting a bit to have a dreadlock pulled out...


https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/sport/w ... uls-559844

I'm not sure I buy it, seems like a bit of a tall tale to me.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:23 am 
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Awesome player. Quite different to Richie, a better thief. One blemish, that one bit of thuggery that a previous poster couldn't recall, targeting Marshalls ribs with a very late one.


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Has to have the record for # of first class games, or near enough to it.


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Awesome player. Quite different to Richie, a better thief. One blemish, that one bit of thuggery that a previous poster couldn't recall, targeting Marshalls ribs with a very late one.


Oh no! Was Justin okay?


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Thomas wrote:
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Awesome player. Quite different to Richie, a better thief. One blemish, that one bit of thuggery that a previous poster couldn't recall, targeting Marshalls ribs with a very late one.


Oh no! Was Justin okay?


He was permanently brain damaged, haven't you heard him talk?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:51 am 
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Has to have the record for # of first class games, or near enough to it.


Martin Johnson has something like 500 from memory, but most of that was Easy Rugby whereas Smith played everywhere from the plains of the Serengeti to the bustling fish markets of Fuchu.


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Has to have the record for # of first class games, or near enough to it.


Martin Johnson has something like 500 from memory, but most of that was Easy Rugby whereas Smith played everywhere from the plains of the Serengeti to the bustling fish markets of Fuchu.


Mostly in an easier era too. Georgie at age 38 has been playing against kids that spent 5 years juicing prior to lacing up the boots for a pro start. He spent his time prior to his first pro start smashing waves.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 10:14 am 
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naki wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Has to have the record for # of first class games, or near enough to it.


Martin Johnson has something like 500 from memory, but most of that was Easy Rugby whereas Smith played everywhere from the plains of the Serengeti to the bustling fish markets of Fuchu.

Pretty sure Parisse holds the record.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 10:26 am 
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Zakar wrote:
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Has to have the record for # of first class games, or near enough to it.


Martin Johnson has something like 500 from memory, but most of that was Easy Rugby whereas Smith played everywhere from the plains of the Serengeti to the bustling fish markets of Fuchu.


Mostly in an easier era too. Georgie at age 38 has been playing against kids that spent 5 years juicing prior to lacing up the boots for a pro start. He spent his time prior to his first pro start smashing waves.


That is a pretty strong accusation of PED use. Do you mean throughout the entirety of his career, or just his season at Bristol?


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Has to have the record for # of first class games, or near enough to it.


Martin Johnson has something like 500 from memory, but most of that was Easy Rugby whereas Smith played everywhere from the plains of the Serengeti to the bustling fish markets of Fuchu.


Mostly in an easier era too. Georgie at age 38 has been playing against kids that spent 5 years juicing prior to lacing up the boots for a pro start. He spent his time prior to his first pro start smashing waves.


That is a pretty strong accusation of PED use. Do you mean throughout the entirety of his career, or just his season at Bristol?

Have you read that post correctly?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 11:50 am 
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I'm honestly surprised to read that he only started his professional career in 2000. I feel like he's been playing rugby on tv for as long as I've been watching it.


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Thomas wrote:
farmerdave wrote:
Awesome player. Quite different to Richie, a better thief. One blemish, that one bit of thuggery that a previous poster couldn't recall, targeting Marshalls ribs with a very late one.


Oh no! Was Justin okay?


Too bad it was his rib and not his mouth or tongue


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Thomas wrote:
farmerdave wrote:
Awesome player. Quite different to Richie, a better thief. One blemish, that one bit of thuggery that a previous poster couldn't recall, targeting Marshalls ribs with a very late one.


Oh no! Was Justin okay?


Too bad it was his rib and not his mouth or tongue


It was Martin Johnson who attempted to break his jaw.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:15 am 
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booji boy wrote:
Harden up!!! wrote:
Thomas wrote:
farmerdave wrote:
Awesome player. Quite different to Richie, a better thief. One blemish, that one bit of thuggery that a previous poster couldn't recall, targeting Marshalls ribs with a very late one.


Oh no! Was Justin okay?


Too bad it was his rib and not his mouth or tongue


It was Martin Johnson who attempted to break his jaw.


Typical english, can't do the job right, was it bakkies who succeeded? or was that only on kellerher?


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Harden up!!! wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Harden up!!! wrote:
Thomas wrote:
farmerdave wrote:
Awesome player. Quite different to Richie, a better thief. One blemish, that one bit of thuggery that a previous poster couldn't recall, targeting Marshalls ribs with a very late one.


Oh no! Was Justin okay?


Too bad it was his rib and not his mouth or tongue


It was Martin Johnson who attempted to break his jaw.


Typical english, can't do the job right, was it bakkies who succeeded? or was that only on kellerher?


It was Cowan he headbutted from behind while simulating riding him


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:08 am 
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Harden up!!! wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Harden up!!! wrote:
Thomas wrote:
farmerdave wrote:
Awesome player. Quite different to Richie, a better thief. One blemish, that one bit of thuggery that a previous poster couldn't recall, targeting Marshalls ribs with a very late one.


Oh no! Was Justin okay?


Too bad it was his rib and not his mouth or tongue


It was Martin Johnson who attempted to break his jaw.


Typical english, can't do the job right, was it bakkies who succeeded? or was that only on kellerher?


It was V Matfield and the reinforced arm guard vs Kelleher.


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Thank you that was the one I was thinking of. the matfield forearm to the face.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:19 am 
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It was Martin Johnson who attempted to break his jaw.


Typical english, can't do the job right, was it bakkies who succeeded? or was that only on kellerher?


Well it was a dirty sucker punch from behind which was typical of Johnson's thuggish behavior. Can't find video of it but here is an article from the time. It's an English paper but they don't hold back in their assessment of the crime.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rug ... 95940.html


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Martin Johnson, last summer's Lions captain, punched his full weight during England's 25-8 defeat by New Zealand at Old Trafford on Saturday. Sadly, he also punched Justin Marshall, the All Blacks captain, and earned himself a one-match suspension. Chris Hewett says the Leicester lock had it coming.

If the first was an aberration and the second an unfortunate coincidence, a third punch in the space of seven England Tests was always likely to send Martin Johnson up before the beak. The Leicester captain was yesterday hauled over the coals by Roger Uttley and the rest of the England management, who suspended him from this weekend's Twickenham Test with South Africa.

Johnson's penchant for the bare-knuckle stuff cost his countrymen tries against both Argentina and Wales last season and it will cost them once again on Saturday. Given the world-class lock's success against the Springboks during the Lions' tour, Uttley and the rest of the national hierarchy know they have sacrificed a major, almost irreplaceable asset on the twin altars of discipline and diplomacy.

John Hart, the New Zealand coach, was almost incandescent with anger after spotting Johnson's inexcusable punch from behind on Justin Marshall, six minutes into the weekend Test in Manchester - a blow that affected the scrum-half's hearing and raised fears of a broken jaw. While he refused to name Johnson, Hart described the act as one of "outright thuggery from someone who should know better" and indicated his intention to set in motion rugby's complicated and wholly unsatisfactory citing process.


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booji boy wrote:
Harden up!!! wrote:
booji boy wrote:
It was Martin Johnson who attempted to break his jaw.


Typical english, can't do the job right, was it bakkies who succeeded? or was that only on kellerher?


Well it was a dirty sucker punch from behind which was typical of Johnson's thuggish behavior. Can't find video of it but here is an article from the time. It's an English paper but they don't hold back in their assessment of the crime.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rug ... 95940.html


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Martin Johnson, last summer's Lions captain, punched his full weight during England's 25-8 defeat by New Zealand at Old Trafford on Saturday. Sadly, he also punched Justin Marshall, the All Blacks captain, and earned himself a one-match suspension. Chris Hewett says the Leicester lock had it coming.

If the first was an aberration and the second an unfortunate coincidence, a third punch in the space of seven England Tests was always likely to send Martin Johnson up before the beak. The Leicester captain was yesterday hauled over the coals by Roger Uttley and the rest of the England management, who suspended him from this weekend's Twickenham Test with South Africa.

Johnson's penchant for the bare-knuckle stuff cost his countrymen tries against both Argentina and Wales last season and it will cost them once again on Saturday. Given the world-class lock's success against the Springboks during the Lions' tour, Uttley and the rest of the national hierarchy know they have sacrificed a major, almost irreplaceable asset on the twin altars of discipline and diplomacy.

John Hart, the New Zealand coach, was almost incandescent with anger after spotting Johnson's inexcusable punch from behind on Justin Marshall, six minutes into the weekend Test in Manchester - a blow that affected the scrum-half's hearing and raised fears of a broken jaw. While he refused to name Johnson, Hart described the act as one of "outright thuggery from someone who should know better" and indicated his intention to set in motion rugby's complicated and wholly unsatisfactory citing process.




Johnson (4) punch on Marshall

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Coward's punch. Would get 12+ weeks nowadays.


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Coward's punch. Would get 12+ weeks nowadays.


that england side had its fair share of punchy types - Dallaglio i remember blindside punching Thinus Delport after the whistle right in front of the touch-judge at WC2003 with not a word said.


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OK, slight hyperbole maybe (Jones was probably a bit better), but George Smith has finally hung up the boots ...

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One of the great Australian rugby careers is finally over after George Smith announced his retirement following 20 years of yeoman service.
Smith’s short-term contract with English club Bristol finished over the weekend, leaving the 38-year-old to announce he would end a professional tenure that had encompassed half his life, beginning as a dreadlocked teenager with the Brumbies in 2000.

His first of 111 Tests followed that year and he became fixture on the openside flank for a decade, rarely dropping his standards and being widely acknowledged as one of his country’s finest performers.


https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies/wallabies-legend-george-smith-calls-time-on-20year-career/news-story/0923eafa4e3e998497cd987eeb87b963


Smith better than Jones, though the names go well together.


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All of Smith's 2013 turnovers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E_WFAqi_vE


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ForzaIt wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Harden up!!! wrote:
booji boy wrote:
It was Martin Johnson who attempted to break his jaw.


Typical english, can't do the job right, was it bakkies who succeeded? or was that only on kellerher?


Well it was a dirty sucker punch from behind which was typical of Johnson's thuggish behavior. Can't find video of it but here is an article from the time. It's an English paper but they don't hold back in their assessment of the crime.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rug ... 95940.html


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Martin Johnson, last summer's Lions captain, punched his full weight during England's 25-8 defeat by New Zealand at Old Trafford on Saturday. Sadly, he also punched Justin Marshall, the All Blacks captain, and earned himself a one-match suspension. Chris Hewett says the Leicester lock had it coming.

If the first was an aberration and the second an unfortunate coincidence, a third punch in the space of seven England Tests was always likely to send Martin Johnson up before the beak. The Leicester captain was yesterday hauled over the coals by Roger Uttley and the rest of the England management, who suspended him from this weekend's Twickenham Test with South Africa.

Johnson's penchant for the bare-knuckle stuff cost his countrymen tries against both Argentina and Wales last season and it will cost them once again on Saturday. Given the world-class lock's success against the Springboks during the Lions' tour, Uttley and the rest of the national hierarchy know they have sacrificed a major, almost irreplaceable asset on the twin altars of discipline and diplomacy.

John Hart, the New Zealand coach, was almost incandescent with anger after spotting Johnson's inexcusable punch from behind on Justin Marshall, six minutes into the weekend Test in Manchester - a blow that affected the scrum-half's hearing and raised fears of a broken jaw. While he refused to name Johnson, Hart described the act as one of "outright thuggery from someone who should know better" and indicated his intention to set in motion rugby's complicated and wholly unsatisfactory citing process.




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Coward's punch. Would get 12+ weeks nowadays.


It's a shame his time playing for NZ colts turned him into such a thug


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It is funny seeing how offside Marshall is.


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It is funny seeing how offside Marshall is.


That's presumably why Johnson thumped him.


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Marshall's so offside, the first couple of times I watched it my brain just assumed he was clearing the ball from an attacking ruck. It wasn't until the 3rd or 4th time I noticed what way everyone else was playing.


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The most amusing thing about the Johnson incident was the one match “ban” agreed between Woodward and Hart so Johnson was available to play again against NZ in the Twickenham replay.


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It is funny seeing how offside Marshall is.

Was he? IIRC the offside at ruck laws were completely different back then (not saying definitively he wasn't just that I'm not sure the rucks were reffed the same back then).

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OK, slight hyperbole maybe (Jones was probably a bit better), but George Smith has finally hung up the boots ...

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One of the great Australian rugby careers is finally over after George Smith announced his retirement following 20 years of yeoman service.
Smith’s short-term contract with English club Bristol finished over the weekend, leaving the 38-year-old to announce he would end a professional tenure that had encompassed half his life, beginning as a dreadlocked teenager with the Brumbies in 2000.

His first of 111 Tests followed that year and he became fixture on the openside flank for a decade, rarely dropping his standards and being widely acknowledged as one of his country’s finest performers.


https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies/wallabies-legend-george-smith-calls-time-on-20year-career/news-story/0923eafa4e3e998497cd987eeb87b963


Smith better than Jones, though the names go well together.

This is your stupidest post ever, and I'm including all the IF thread ones.


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Wiki has him at 460 senior games. Pretty amazing


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1. McCaw
2. Smith
3. Jones
4. Back

Fact.


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1. McCaw/Jones
3. Smith

a number of other players and several years worth of daylight

Back

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FTFY


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 1:57 am 
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1. McCaw/Jones
3. Smith

a number of other players and several years worth of daylight

Back

Fact.


Nah.

Jones may be a better all around player, but he wasn't a better 7.

If you think Back was crap you've got rocks in your head mate.


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1. McCaw/Jones
3. Smith

a number of other players and several years worth of daylight

Back

Fact.


Nah.

Jones may be a better all around player, but he wasn't a better 7.

If you think Back was crap you've got rocks in your head mate.


Not crap but there are several better 7s. I'd take Poidevin over Back.


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Zakar wrote:
1. McCaw
2. Smith
3. Jones

4. Back

Fact.

You know you're lining yourself up with mightyreds (pause to let that one sink in).

This is particularly silly:
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Jones may be a better all around player, but he wasn't a better 7.

Jones (re)defined how a 7 plays.

Back was a decent rugby player, but not number 4. From his era even Magne was better. From pre his era Winterbottom was better.


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I'm actually being generous. Back may have been better than Jones. For instance, Jones never kicked any drop goals.


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I'm actually being generous. Back may have been better than Jones. For instance, Jones never kicked any drop goals.


By that logic, dunning was a better prop than Carl Hayman


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I'm actually being generous. Back may have been better than Jones. For instance, Jones never kicked any drop goals.


By that logic, dunning was a better prop than Carl Hayman


Yep good point. He sure was.

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