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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:33 pm 
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Now that the UK is going to go to hell and a hand basket, can I be the first to offer morale support in your time of need.

Feel free to cry in posts as your economy disintegrates, and I will be your ear.

We are here for you brothers

Jokes on almost everyone in the UK, I live in South Wales nothing will change.


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Coalition of Labour and who else?


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her real failing was her stupid red lines .... a failing which was compounded by the election mistake

a basically 50:50 vote in the referendum was a perfect excuse for a tory PM to say "Britain wants to trade heavily with the EU post brexit, so will stay closely aligned on regs etc ..... via a customs union"

the thick-as-pigshit NO voters wouldn't have even cared because they were still leaving ...... but May layed down her stupid red lines and 3 years of lunacy ensued

newsflash Brits ...... regardless of whichever fvckwit tory takes over the reins, the negotiations are over.

Time to either accept the WA, or alternatively crash out and shoot yourselves in the head (with the ricochet putting us in hospital thanks very much)

I genuinely love Britain and the brits (apart from the Welsh and DUP obviously) and the fact that such a great country is leaving, is fvcking tragedy frankly.

But at this stage we all need to prepare for a crash out, cos your politics is irreparably broken and we all need to move on and get brexit over with ....

what a fvcking shit show :frown:

A customs union isn't leaving. Not in the slightest. It negates any reason for leaving

But was presented as a leave option by very many Brexiteers in the Leave campaign.
(many of whom didn't inderstand the difference between the CU and the SM it must be said).


exactly ..... even prominent leavers said the SROFA about not wanting a customs union during the ref campaign

https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-pr ... eferendum/

in fact dimwit leavers like Daniel Hannan said things like "absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market"........ the SM no less :lol:

and even Arron Banks said things like "Increasingly the Norway option looks the best for the UK” ..... Norway is in the SM in case any of you Brexit brainiacs is wondering :roll:

good grief


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:34 pm 
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Norway isn't in the CU.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:36 pm 
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Now for Boris to charge in and renegotiate the WA with the EU.... what could go right?


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:38 pm 
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Now for Boris to charge in and renegotiate the WA with the EU.... what could go right?


Imagine the EU when they see that clown coming to town, they will piss themselves laughing


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:41 pm 
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Sooo anyway the options or reality wont be changed by a new PM.

Here they are.

1.Leave with no deal - which means going back the the EU and signing up for exactly the same conditions on money and Northern Ireland in exchange for w worse deal after a few weeks of chaos.

2. Somehow pass the current deal - impossible to see how

3. Revocation.

4. Convince the EU to offer another extension whilst a second referendum or general election is contested.

This is literally it - no amount of 'believe in Brexit' will alter this.


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The loudest people ERG are pushing for "no deal", they succeeded in getting rid of May, as the deal she was offering "was not Brexit at all" (although it is certainly more Brexit that what Labour or SNP are proposing).

Those wanting to remain are putting party politics above national interest.

It means loudest will win and we will have no deal (default option - no matter what parliament) tries to do.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:50 pm 
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might finally get out of the EU.

These are the good times, things are looking up anyway.


You're a fucking lunatic.

What is it about the EU that hurts the British economy?


the 350 million quid they steal from us every week?


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might finally get out of the EU.

These are the good times, things are looking up anyway.


You're a fucking lunatic.

What is it about the EU that hurts the British economy?


the 350 million quid they steal from us every week?


Oh dear christ :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:55 pm 
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BokJock wrote:
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might finally get out of the EU.

These are the good times, things are looking up anyway.


You're a fucking lunatic.

What is it about the EU that hurts the British economy?


the 350 million quid they steal from us every week?

This is a whoosh, yes?


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PCPhil wrote:
BokJock wrote:
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might finally get out of the EU.

These are the good times, things are looking up anyway.


You're a fucking lunatic.

What is it about the EU that hurts the British economy?


the 350 million quid they steal from us every week?

This is a whoosh, yes?


sorry forgot to add the ;)


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Norway isn't in the CU.



It’s great when they go on lectures about the issues and get
Then wrong .


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1.Leave with no deal - which means going back the the EU and signing up for exactly the same conditions on money and Northern Ireland in exchange for w worse deal after a few weeks of chaos.

We have to leave without the WA because it's not fit for purpose and the EU are done negotiating. I'd like to know what a worse deal is because even members of the European Commission think the current WA makes the UK a colony.


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rfurlong wrote:
her real failing was her stupid red lines .... a failing which was compounded by the election mistake

a basically 50:50 vote in the referendum was a perfect excuse for a tory PM to say "Britain wants to trade heavily with the EU post brexit, so will stay closely aligned on regs etc ..... via a customs union"

the thick-as-pigshit NO voters wouldn't have even cared because they were still leaving ...... but May layed down her stupid red lines and 3 years of lunacy ensued


What absolute nonsense. For starts it wasn't 50:50 no matter how much you wish it was. If remain had won by 50.9:49.1 we would have kept the status quo. Plus you would have to be as thick as pig shit to think the closeness of the result was a perfect excuse for a Tory PM to keep the UK in a customs union and subsequently unable to make meaningful independent trade deals in future.


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Leave with no deal - which means going back the the EU and signing up for exactly the same conditions on money and Northern Ireland in exchange for w worse deal after a few weeks of chaos.



No it means “no deal” , no agreed money , no Northern Ireland agreement. We just leave/


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1.Leave with no deal - which means going back the the EU and signing up for exactly the same conditions on money and Northern Ireland in exchange for w worse deal after a few weeks of chaos.

You've pulled that out of your arse haven't you


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bimboman wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
her real failing was her stupid red lines .... a failing which was compounded by the election mistake

a basically 50:50 vote in the referendum was a perfect excuse for a tory PM to say "Britain wants to trade heavily with the EU post brexit, so will stay closely aligned on regs etc ..... via a customs union"

the thick-as-pigshit NO voters wouldn't have even cared because they were still leaving ...... but May layed down her stupid red lines and 3 years of lunacy ensued

newsflash Brits ...... regardless of whichever fvckwit tory takes over the reins, the negotiations are over.

Time to either accept the WA, or alternatively crash out and shoot yourselves in the head (with the ricochet putting us in hospital thanks very much)

I genuinely love Britain and the brits (apart from the Welsh and DUP obviously) and the fact that such a great country is leaving, is fvcking tragedy frankly.

But at this stage we all need to prepare for a crash out, cos your politics is irreparably broken and we all need to move on and get brexit over with ....

what a fvcking shit show :frown:



Agree with that, except the red lines were a media and party management narrative, not one remained by the end of the process and what’s now been presented.


thats the whole point ...... she lost her party, the wider brexit population, and the little britain media, by retreating from those red lines ....... whereas if she'd just kept her gob shut and started off down the path of a soft brexit/customs union, the whole thing would have been done and dusted by now ....

there would have been:

no need to rely on DUP
no reinvigoration of UKIP/Farage
no pathway to prominence for the swivel eyed tory loons that seem to be multiplying like cancer cells

she's the architect of her own downfall and she's made the whole brexit tragedy 100x worse than it should have been

A customs union would mean the UK would virtually have no chance signing it's own trade deals.


With the greatest respect , the average Brit doesn't care about trade deals. That's what rich people like Tim Martin wanted for self gain.

Even Yeeb admits the reason for a leave vote among many was to control immigration and in fairness they had a point as Britain seems to have way more immigraiton that most EU countries.


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The loudest people ERG are pushing for "no deal", they succeeded in getting rid of May, as the deal she was offering "was not Brexit at all" (although it is certainly more Brexit that what Labour or SNP are proposing).

Those wanting to remain are putting party politics above national interest.

It means loudest will win and we will have no deal (default option - no matter what parliament) tries to do.

Steve Baker & chums want a trade deal. Many in the ERG opposed the WA in its current form mostly due to the imposition of the CU.


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With the greatest respect , the average Brit doesn't care about trade deals. That's what rich people like Tim Martin wanted for self gain.

Even Yeeb admits the reason for a leave vote among many was to control immigration and in fairness they had a point as Britain seems to have way more immigraiton that most EU countries.

They do now.


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1.Leave with no deal - which means going back the the EU and signing up for exactly the same conditions on money and Northern Ireland in exchange for w worse deal after a few weeks of chaos.

You've pulled that out of your arse haven't you


How long after a no deal crashing out scenario would it be before you became desperate? The EU has made it very clear that the pre-cursor to any deal that could happen after you crash out will be the cash and the Backstop


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With the greatest respect , the average Brit doesn't care about trade deals. That's what rich people like Tim Martin wanted for self gain.

Even Yeeb admits the reason for a leave vote among many was to control immigration and in fairness they had a point as Britain seems to have way more immigraiton that most EU countries.




And rich people employ people, of course they want an independent trade policy


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well done les rossbiffs...


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The EU results will most certainly mean a Brexiteer Tory leader. The new leader will realise, just as Theresa finally had to, that they can't command a majority in the house. No deal is very much back on the table.


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The EU results will most certainly mean a Brexiteer Tory leader. The new leader will realise, just as Theresa finally had to, that they can't command a majority in the house. No deal is very much back on the table.

I've a notion it will take Macron to actually end this entire farce on our behalf.


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It’s great when they go on lectures about the issues and get
Then wrong .

Like those Brexiteers before the referendum ?


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The EU results will most certainly mean a Brexiteer Tory leader. The new leader will realise, just as Theresa finally had to, that they can't command a majority in the house. No deal is very much back on the table.


It's the only deal but the Commons will keep rejecting it.

I have no idea how this will end


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The loudest people ERG are pushing for "no deal", they succeeded in getting rid of May, as the deal she was offering "was not Brexit at all" (although it is certainly more Brexit that what Labour or SNP are proposing).

Those wanting to remain are putting party politics above national interest.

It means loudest will win and we will have no deal (default option - no matter what parliament) tries to do.

Steve Baker & chums want a trade deal. Many in the ERG opposed the WA in its current form mostly due to the imposition of the CU.

What are the realistic alternatives?


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Putin and Steven Bannon will be having a good chuckle over all of this


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msp. wrote:
The loudest people ERG are pushing for "no deal", they succeeded in getting rid of May, as the deal she was offering "was not Brexit at all" (although it is certainly more Brexit that what Labour or SNP are proposing).

Those wanting to remain are putting party politics above national interest.

It means loudest will win and we will have no deal (default option - no matter what parliament) tries to do.

Steve Baker & chums want a trade deal. Many in the ERG opposed the WA in its current form mostly due to the imposition of the CU.

What are the realistic alternatives?

Maximum facilitation.


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Carwyn wrote:
The EU results will most certainly mean a Brexiteer Tory leader. The new leader will realise, just as Theresa finally had to, that they can't command a majority in the house. No deal is very much back on the table.


It's the only deal but the Commons will keep rejecting it.

I have no idea how this will end


It does not matter if they reject it, all they will have to do is sit tight, and UK leaves with no deal automatically.


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Have to say I expected more from May when she came to power but she's been an aboslute pig-headed disaster. Hopefully a new Brexiteer PM will deliver the will of the people.


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Have to say I expected more from May when she came to power but she's been an aboslute pig-headed disaster. Hopefully a new Brexiteer PM will deliver the will of the people.


Which people though?


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well done les rossbiffs...



That's it - that is as low as you can get: the bloody frogs are laughing at our administration. Next it will be ze Germans telling us we don't have a sense of humour.


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Have to say I expected more from May when she came to power but she's been an aboslute pig-headed disaster. Hopefully a new Brexiteer PM will deliver the will of the people.


The Tories will have no choice but to act on the will of the people or will face electoral annihilation at the next general election. Their hands are now tied.


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Have to say I expected more from May when she came to power but she's been an aboslute pig-headed disaster. Hopefully a new Brexiteer PM will deliver the will of the people.


Which people though?


The important ones.


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........... as Britain seems to have way more immigraiton that most EU countries.
The killing thing is that the UK is in the middle of the pack when it comes to % of residents born overseas amongst EU countries.

Spain, Germany, Belgium, Ireland, Austria, Latvia, Estonia, Cypress, and Luxembourg have higher percentages of foreign born residents; Italy, Denmark, Sweden and Greece about the same, and the rest less.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... population)_PITEU17.png


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Dobbin wrote:
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Have to say I expected more from May when she came to power but she's been an aboslute pig-headed disaster. Hopefully a new Brexiteer PM will deliver the will of the people.


Which people though?


The important ones.


Indeed.


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It does not matter if they reject it, all they will have to do is sit tight, and UK leaves with no deal automatically.

Or the UK Government can ask for a further extension to allow for a second referendum. It's unlikely but all bet are off with a tory leadership election to come.


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msp. wrote:
It does not matter if they reject it, all they will have to do is sit tight, and UK leaves with no deal automatically.

Or the UK Government can ask for a further extension to allow for a second referendum. It's unlikely but all bet are off with a tory leadership election to come.


Sorry, if the UK get a hardline brexiter PM, they can easily leave by doing nothing..


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