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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:10 pm 
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I’ll keep this brief - HK is not that fooked that the PLA will be sent in. Oh, and the girl who lost her eye? Quite possibly black on black


You're better than that, HK.

Sorry - for clarity, the black reference is a well known, in HK at least, term for protesters. White shirts are either anti-protesters or triads, depending on who is on the ground. That is all I meant


I know what you are referring to. It's the innuendo without a skerrick of supporting evidence that that I think you could do better at, or alternatively, if you don't have the evidence, leave it out.


So, the issue is with whether there is evidence to prove the cops didn’t do it (hint there’s no clips out there which proves we did) but for me to have the temerity to suggest that quite possibly she was hit by a ball bearing from a fellow protester (hint: there loads), is wrong? GTFA!


Sorry HK, but wrong again. I imagine your are under a fair bit of strain at the moment, but you are jumping to unreasonable conclusions, which was what drew my comment in the first instance. You as a police officer should know better than that.

To be clear, I have made absolutely no comment on the rights and wrongs of the situation, nor who has done what to whom.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:39 pm 
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Man caught among the protesters at the airport, armed, and allegedly a Chinese cop.

https://twitter.com/HongKongFP/status/1 ... 4753163265
https://twitter.com/tweets_hk/status/11 ... 7012050944


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https://twitter.com/jgriffiths/status/1 ... 1468525568

This tweet and the whole thread is quite depressing. They really aren't going to stop until the shit hits the fan I think. Cop or not, looks like the guy is lucky to get out without a lynching.


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FMG Ted! Then say wtf you mean. Subtle hints, vague references ain’t working for me dawg. Under a bit is strain? Yes from fooking idiots.


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High summer in Hong Kong. Diabolical weather. 29c and 99% humidity at 6 am when you go for your morning jog. Very hard to get a good night's sleep even with air conditioning.


Not a place where cool hearts and minds are likely to be particularly noticeable.



Once upon a time the upper classes moved up to live on the Peak, and/or sailed back to Blighty for a while.


July and August the place basically closed down. Glad I am not there!!!


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I have to say that targeting the airport is a brilliant tactic. Something has to give soon. Time for some compromises. Bugger Beijing. It looks to me as though they are just playing politics, could even be some internal party machinations going on. Xi looks omnipotent, but no ruler since Mao is omnipotent.


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So peaceful were the protests two weeks ago, now they're going ballistic! Could there be a number of Chinese Mainland plants out there now, stiring up the locals and getting them to be more violent?

Seems like a totally different feel to the crowd now.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:21 am 
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Open letter from Jan Bochenski, ex-HKPF, arrested last Sunday. It paints a very clear picture of the total incompetence being displayed by most of the HK Police. They've become an absolute joke. Zero respect for them here among the Gweilo community, let alone among the locals they have been beating up.

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To Whom It May Concern 6th August 2019

I, Mr. Jan Bochenski, 62 years of age, first came to Hong Kong with the Police in 1979 and served in the Marine District until 1983. After meeting and marrying my wife, Eliza, I ventured to Australia to undertake a career in aviation: resulting in 7 years working for domestic Australian airlines before returning to Hong Kong to take up a career with Cathay Pacific for 21 years. I then served with Hong Kong Airlines and Hong Kong Air Cargo until retirement in March 2019 of this year.

I have been married to Eliza for 37 years, resulting in 2 lovely children - a daughter here in Hong Kong and a son overseas. Eliza and I currently live in western Mid Levels. 
On Sunday, the 4th of August, I participated in a charity sailing race for underprivileged children in Deep Water Bay (hosted by the Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club) that terminated around 5 pm. I took the MTR home. Whilst on the way home I was browsing my phone’s news feed when I noticed public disturbances in Tseung Kwan O and Wong Tai Sin, yet reading the papers that morning at the club there was no mention of Curfew. After getting home I had a light dinner and since my wife and daughter had gone to Shenzhen I decided on a walk in the evening as during my last aviation medical my doctor indicated I was getting slightly overweight and high cholesterol.

I drove down from home and parked in a side street to walk along Des Voeux rd West around 9 pm with the intention of walking along the flat foreshore of Western. I was dressed in white shorts and blue T-shirt and had a wallet , car and home keys and a mobile phone.Walking along I noticed a commotion down Ka On street by some 30 to 40 people and wondered what was going on. At the end of Ka On street on the corner of Connaught rd people were peering around the corner and looking at a squad of Police Tactical officers blocking the road. Upon enquiry with different onlookers it transpired that they the police were protecting the China Liaison office in Sheung Wan. People of all ages and kinds were curious as to what was going on.I started back down Ka On street towards Des Voeux rd west and a small argument developed that seemed not serious so I continued my walk. As I was about to round Des Voeux road West a group of PTU officers complete with shield and battens in hand came running down Ka On street from the opposite direction and pushed everyone against the wall and ordered them to squat with hands against the wall. At first the PTU officer asked if I was a tourist and I said no and that I lived in the district and was having a walk. They asked me to switch off my phone. After the police searched the group I was with , around 20 people or so, including a Dileveroo pizza boy ushered us onto a bus. As I was about to step onto the bus and officer at the bottom of the stairs took my photo and stated I was being detained for Unlawful Assembly. At no time did any officer ask what I was doing in the area or tried to inquire my motive for being there or anyone else's for that matter, as was done in my day, and ushered young and old onto the bus.Next to me sat a young polite PTU officer that put handcuffs on me , but was unable to tell me we are destined for. We moved off and I noticed we were going through the West harbour tunnel so the young PTU officer told me we may be destined for Cheung Sha Wan Police station.Upon arrival at the station there was a considerable delay getting off the hired coach and were made to line up outside.By this time I was needing the toilet and this was initially refused for sometime.Eventually we were ushered into a makeshift car park area that had recently been converted to a large holding area with blue plastic seats. At this point nothing seemed to be happening. There were many officers lingering around the compound with no one doing anything or trying to process people.A second coach arrived with more citizens of all ages and creeds.I was then given a “Notice to Persons in Police Custody or involved in Enquiries”” and read it and signed accordingly.Our phones were removed and placed in a separate plastic bag as to the possessions on person.The form stated I was allowed to make a call so I proceeded to ask many officers if I could do so yet all of them stated it would happen in due course.

I also noted that the whole operation was conducted by Junior Officers so when I spotted a senior inspector I implored him to allow me to make a call. This resulted in a shouting match as I insisted as per above form that a call was allowed in addition to legal representation. The senior inspector moved off and another sergeant said he would try and sort it out. After being detained 4 hours I was finally taken up to the control room upstairs whereupon I rang my wife told her I was fine and to contact a lawyer and that I was being detained for unlawful assembly.They then moved me into a small cell initially on my own and used the toilet in other nearby larger cells that were empty.With only a light walking T shirt it soon became very cold.At 04:30 a lawyer friend visited and informed me of my rights and the right to remain silent.

I then met two volunteer lawyers that were very helpful and helped me contact my wife. They reminded me of my rights in this situation. They would also pass on to her the location of my car in Whitty St.
During all this time I had a clear view of the control room from my crowded cell and noticed the control room very disorganized and in disarray. No leadership was present with much shouting and it seemed all operations were conducted by Junior Officers. In my day whenever a crisis presented itself it would be conducted by a Chief Inspector in the very least or even a Superintendent. The control room was messy with phones and files everywhere that would never pass an inspection..

I met many good people from all walks of life and all ages.None wore a black T-shirt and some were even in pyjamas. Surprisingly was a teacher with his 65 year old mother whom Police had stripped her of her medication and advised her that if she needed it for her diabetes she could be transferred in Handcuffs to a nearby hospital, We chatted and she decided to forget the lack of dignity, at least she could have a bed and the police would have to release her within 48 hours. Another inmate was an Indian chef , in full uniform complete with hat but was concerned about lawyer fees .At this stage police were giving every excuse of being too busy in order to allow many a call or to go downstairs where lawyers and other volunteer legal staff were waiting all night to help.

It seems contact with lawyers was your only hope of contacting relatives and this was being constantly delayed by Police. We constantly asked for water as no food was present and for the unfortunate many, to make a simple call.
At 06;00 that morning, the cell that had a notice on the wall stating it was designed for enough people that could sit on the bench ie:4 had around 15 occupants with standing room only.I asked to be moved but this was refused and then during my next visit to the toilet in the adjacent cells told the officers in the control room that I would not go back into the small holding cells and that the others were empty and why not used.This resulted in a second shouting match and finally I was moved to a larger cell in the rear with 5 others and a toilet.
I now had room to stretch out and noticed others were being transferred to less crowded cells.I now shared a cell with a 57 year old office furniture worker, a teacher of 30 years, an Indian Chef and another Indian restaurant worker whom happened to live above the site of arrest!.None of us had been harmed but all of us realized we were pawns in a larger political game to satisfy an arrest number count.Two coach loads!Now came the wait in order to make a statement. At around midday I was given a small egg sandwich as breakfast and water. At 13:30 I was ushered to an isolated room where sat an interpreter and Senior PC from the Narcotic bureau and made my statement accordingly - I have nothing to say.

However disturbingly I noticed around the small room that fist marks in the parker board were present as well as boot and shoe marks all around the room at knee level.I then went for fingerprinting and photograph.During this time other officers whom knew of my ex Police status asked for my thoughs on the disturbances and I discussed with them how is the Police ever going to restore the trust that took years to build up during the colonial times.I felt some officers knew deep down this was all an unnecessary charade and a very sad situation they found themselves in.I asked them why was there not a curfew in place and they replied it was a Govt decision . I subsequently returned to my cell and waited for the Duty Officer to review my case.At around 7 pm we were all informed that bail would be granted to all 5 of us at $500 hkd and once again asked if I could call my wife in order for her to give me the cash as I had only a $20 note for my walk.Phone call denied and now Police informed us that protesters were now barricading themselves around the station and that we would not be able to leave.We now received a lunch box of rice and glue ham as I reassured the others that best get some sleep as it will only be when the MTR closes that people will disperse and we can go home. True to my thoughts at 01:30 they began to release all of us and luckily the Indian Chef received $700 cash from a xxxx charity group? the young teacher lent me $800 cash and we shared a taxi home to Sai Ying Pun where we all live.
It is now a day later at home that I write this and looking through the paperwork realize that the location of the arrest is on the corner of Des Voeux rd west and Ka On st and not Connaught rd west as Police claim and I failed to get a receipt for my phone now confiscated at the station.
In conclusion, in my opinion, I never saw a protestor, just by-standers, no one wore a black shirt, no one had a mask or yellow helmet .There were elderly and people from all walks of life and mostly local residents.There was no curfew,.
It is disturbing however that no senior officers were visible during my 30hrs at Cheung Sha Wan Police station, that it seemed leadership within the force has broken down and the chain of command non-existent.
Junior officers have been left to pick up the pieces beyond their control.
It is also more disturbing that people's rights to make a phone call or seek legal representation is willfully stalled and avoided and that a tactic of isolating innocent bystanders from family is clearly evident.

Mr Jan Bochenski Sai Ying Pun Hong Kong


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:23 am 
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And yes there are some extremists among the protesters and last night at the airport was a disgrace by them. And to balance out my fury at the police for the treatment of the above by-standers, the cop who got beaten up and pulled his service revolver but had the discipline not to fire it deserves a lot of credit.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:07 am 
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Hong Kong wrote:
FMG Ted! Then say wtf you mean. Subtle hints, vague references ain’t working for me dawg. Under a bit is strain? Yes from fooking idiots.


The cockroaches as you call them?

Is the use of tear gas and rubber bullets on the cockroaches being misreported. It seems a number of sources are suggesting excessive use of force.


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chaps - all I will say for now, is that not everything that your read is true, there are far more sides to the stories than are being circulated.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:53 am 
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chaps - all I will say for now, is that not everything that your read is true, there are far more sides to the stories than are being circulated.


Sure. But the cops are definitely being utter fcukwits. The cop who cracked that ladys head open from behind with his baton? Disgraceful.


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chaps - all I will say for now, is that not everything that your read is true, there are far more sides to the stories than are being circulated.

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chaps - all I will say for now, is that not everything that your read is true, there are far more sides to the stories than are being circulated.


Can you confirm that every officer dressed in HK Police gear is from the HKPF and not mainland Chinese police / security forces? Because people on telegram seem pretty convinced that there are plenty of ringers.


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If there are mainland personnel involved do you seriously expect that to be confirmed?


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It's all very well deploring the actions of the protestors, but their escalation didn't occur in a vacuum. The police and local officials' apparent (mis)management of the situation is to blame.


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chaps - all I will say for now, is that not everything that your read is true, there are far more sides to the stories than are being circulated.


Can you confirm that every officer dressed in HK Police gear is from the HKPF and not mainland Chinese police / security forces? Because people on telegram seem pretty convinced that there are plenty of ringers.


ahh, it's on telegram, so it MUST be true :roll:


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Hong Kong wrote:
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chaps - all I will say for now, is that not everything that your read is true, there are far more sides to the stories than are being circulated.


Can you confirm that every officer dressed in HK Police gear is from the HKPF and not mainland Chinese police / security forces? Because people on telegram seem pretty convinced that there are plenty of ringers.


ahh, it's on telegram, so it MUST be true :roll:


Interesting that you have chosen to evade answering the question. Surely if it was just telegram paranoia it would be easy to say "of course it's all just HK police being used".

Another MTR station was gassed tonight. Sham Shui Po.

Tomorrow's protest will be in Wan Chai from lunchtime. Just down the road from the office. I'll pack the gas mask with the gym gear :(( .


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Here's Sham Shui Po MTR right now. Tear gas fired into the subway station of one of the most densely populated places on earth. It's not even that late at night, plenty of people coming home from work or dinner and no involved with protesting.

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Here's Sham Shui Po MTR right now. Tear gas fired into the subway station of one of the most densely populated places on earth. It's not even that late at night, plenty of people coming home from work or dinner and no involved with protesting.

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There are more sides to this story of course. I'm sure someone took a picture from a different angle.


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Have to have a lot of sympathy for the HK police here. They are excellent in many ways, but the protesters are deliberately creating a situation where incidents are going happen and furthermore the police have to be seen to act and are ordered to act. Finger pointing at them isn't doing anything. All that is going to happen here is that good policemen and woman are going to eventually be ostracized by their own society and what was an effective police force is going to collapse to nobody's benefit except the crooks.

The protesters have decided to keep going till something cracks. Just what they think the resolution here is who knows. I doubt there is one. The protesters are laying a base for the future, and fair fecks to them. The prospect of final assimilation into China proper isn't a pleasant one.


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Always thought it was inevitable that China would hoover HK up, not sure what The protesters hope to achieve? At some point the Chinese will just mow them down.


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Always thought it was inevitable that China would hoover HK up, not sure what The protesters hope to achieve? At some point the Chinese will just mow them down.

Or just wait them out. There's zero reason for the heavy fist to drop right now. As long as the protests stay relatively peaceful I guess China will bide its time... and lay propaganda for everything that does spin out of control in case they do decide to step in. But is Hong Kong going to get a new government out of this? Unlikely.


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Always thought it was inevitable that China would hoover HK up, not sure what The protesters hope to achieve? At some point the Chinese will just mow them down.

Or just wait them out. There's zero reason for the heavy fist to drop right now. As long as the protests stay relatively peaceful I guess China will bide its time... and lay propaganda for everything that does spin out of control in case they do decide to step in. But is Hong Kong going to get a new government out of this? Unlikely.


I don’t know the ins and outs of it all but China are pretty dodgy! Always dangerous to pick a fight with somebody like that.


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Well I think it’s probably worth pointing out HK may have his hands very very tied, so will post accordingly and possibly very frustratedly.


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Well I think it’s probably worth pointing out HK may have his hands very very tied, so will post accordingly and possibly very frustratedly.

Correct


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
village wrote:
Here's Sham Shui Po MTR right now. Tear gas fired into the subway station of one of the most densely populated places on earth. It's not even that late at night, plenty of people coming home from work or dinner and no involved with protesting.

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There are more sides to this story of course. I'm sure someone took a picture from a different angle.

:lol: :lol:

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Always thought it was inevitable that China would hoover HK up, not sure what The protesters hope to achieve? At some point the Chinese will just mow them down.

Or just wait them out. There's zero reason for the heavy fist to drop right now. As long as the protests stay relatively peaceful I guess China will bide its time... and lay propaganda for everything that does spin out of control in case they do decide to step in. But is Hong Kong going to get a new government out of this? Unlikely.


Well 1st October is quite an important date in the medium term. That will be 70th anniversary of founding of PRC. I think they will want it sorted by then.

China's propaganda is already working. I'm told the mainland cabin crews who work for Cathay won't leave their hotel at the airport during layovers - they're convinced the whole of HK is a war zone.


It was weird last night in Sham Shui Po, the police opened fire with lots of tear gas into an empty street. It got into the MTR station, it got into residential houses, but there didn't appear to be any protesters in the vicinity. No idea what the reason was. Local residents thoroughly pissed off. See video below:
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Well I think it’s probably worth pointing out HK may have his hands very very tied, so will post accordingly and possibly very frustratedly.


Sorry, but suggesting police action is actually protester on protester instead, is not hands being tied, its washing yourself of any blame. If your hands are tied just leave the thread alone.


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Well I think it’s probably worth pointing out HK may have his hands very very tied, so will post accordingly and possibly very frustratedly.


Sorry, but suggesting police action is actually protester on protester instead, is not hands being tied, its washing yourself of any blame. If your hands are tied just leave the thread alone.


and let lies continue or go unchallenged? Nah.


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Hong Kong wrote:
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Well I think it’s probably worth pointing out HK may have his hands very very tied, so will post accordingly and possibly very frustratedly.


Sorry, but suggesting police action is actually protester on protester instead, is not hands being tied, its washing yourself of any blame. If your hands are tied just leave the thread alone.


and let lies continue or go unchallenged? Nah.


Yeah, because its all lies. The cops have done nothing wrong, at all. You dick.


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:lol: poster name not living up to its name

Tell you what pal, how about actually have a stab at comprehension and understand what I have written...


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chaps - all I will say for now, is that not everything that your read is true, there are far more sides to the stories than are being circulated.

I can comprehend what you have written, which strongly infers that Jan Bochenski (ex HK copper, pilot, and St Paul's Auckland old boy) is lying.


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:lol: poster name not living up to its name

Tell you what pal, how about actually have a stab at comprehension and understand what I have written...


So what are the lies?

Tear gassing people in the MRT?
Tear gassing children near their apartments?
Shooting people at close range with rubber bullets/beanbags/pepper?
Rounding up and holding random people in overcrowded cells?


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The Chinese Ambassador to the United Kingdom. was certainly a bit err liberal with the truth in his presser yesterday.


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Sensible Stephen wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
:lol: poster name not living up to its name

Tell you what pal, how about actually have a stab at comprehension and understand what I have written...


So what are the lies?

Tear gassing people in the MRT?
Tear gassing children near their apartments?
Shooting people at close range with rubber bullets/beanbags/pepper?
Rounding up and holding random people in overcrowded cells?

Any answers yet?


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Hong Police the brown shirts of our time.

They know what is right but are too cowardly to stand up to the nazis. Good guys do what is right, not bend over and grab your ankles.


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Hong Police the brown shirts of our time.

They know what is right but are too cowardly to stand up to the nazis. Good guys do what is right, not bend over and grab your ankles.



Look, mate, you have an Australian passport, I assume. You live in a sovereign country with a reasonably impartial judicial system.


The Hong Kong Police are virtually all stuck in Hong Kong, that is where they have to live and earn an income in a disciplined service. They have to follow orders, or face the consequences.


Are you suggesting that they should disobey orders? What happens then? The PRC moves in?


"One country, two systems" is based on Chinese sovereignty over the Territory of Hong Kong. Whatever they want has to happen. End of.


It would be nice to think that there can be some kind of fairy tale ending. But there cannot, and will not, be one. This is just a bit of a skirmish and will lead to nothing good, unfortunately.


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