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Hong Kong wrote:

Sun Tzu wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:

Sun Tzu wrote:Excellent vlog by Laowhy86

Apart from the factual errors

eldanielfire wrote:

Auckman wrote:Stay safe HK.

This! He's a top bloke and a real rugby man who gives a lot to the game.

Blushes

Since when did the facts matter? They certainly don't matter to the CCP.

Aye. Agree but if you’re going to have a vlog and complain about distortion of the truth and then play fancy with ‘facts’ yourself, you look a bit of a tot

Well, well, well. What do we learn? Peaceful protests don't work, apparently. What is needed is a bit of hooliganism. Sad.

Big loss of face for Carrie Lam. In Chinese culture there is nothing more humiliating.

Just planning a HK7s trip next year Im glad things have settled down. Should export the Aussie democracy sausage concept to the local HKers

wamberal99 wrote:Well, well, well. What do we learn? Peaceful protests don't work, apparently. What is needed is a bit of hooliganism. Sad.

Big loss of face for Carrie Lam. In Chinese culture there is nothing more humiliating.

correct - the HUGE message is the govt. will not change if you are peaceful but have a little bloody party and then total capitulation. So today's march (will be going down there later) I suspect will turn violent. I also suspect the crowd will direct their attention to demanding Carrie to resign rather than the legislation. It's going to get messy - again!

Stay safe.

Hong Kong wrote:...and if I hear one more claim that the protestors are "peaceful", I swear I'll shoot the fuckers myslef.

Those protestors are peaceful.


*Now let's see if HK is a man of his word.

Apparently they are STILL protesting, even after the gov have announced they are repealing the act?

Short Man Syndrome wrote:Apparently they are STILL protesting, even after the gov have announced they are repealing the act?

Do they not want the leader one to step down now?

Nolanator wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:Apparently they are STILL protesting, even after the gov have announced they are repealing the act?

Do they not want the leader one to step down now?

I guess, the beeb’s report was slightly incredulous but they wouldn’t want to annoy Jinping Jack Flash by reporting facts.

Nolanator wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:Apparently they are STILL protesting, even after the gov have announced they are repealing the act?

Do they not want the leader one to step down now?

Correct. These lot, so far, have been incredibly peaceful and so I'll not shoot trogs just yet...

Read (and watch) all about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautifu ... _protests/

Short Man Syndrome wrote:

Nolanator wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:Apparently they are STILL protesting, even after the gov have announced they are repealing the act?

Do they not want the leader one to step down now?

I guess, the beeb’s report was slightly incredulous but they wouldn’t want to annoy Jinping Jack Flash by reporting facts.

2 million yesterday, allegedly (>25% of Pop. ) despite Lam's government delaying the implementation of the legislation...

Taranaki Snapper wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:

Nolanator wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:Apparently they are STILL protesting, even after the gov have announced they are repealing the act?

Do they not want the leader one to step down now?

I guess, the beeb’s report was slightly incredulous but they wouldn’t want to annoy Jinping Jack Flash by reporting facts.

2 million yesterday, allegedly (>25% of Pop. ) despite Lam's government delaying the implementation of the legislation...

350,000 according to HK Police.

Kiwias wrote:

Taranaki Snapper wrote:
2 million yesterday, allegedly (>25% of Pop. ) despite Lam's government delaying the implementation of the legislation...

350,000 according to HK Police.

Yeah, saw that...split the difference?

Taranaki Snapper wrote:

Kiwias wrote:

Taranaki Snapper wrote:
2 million yesterday, allegedly (>25% of Pop. ) despite Lam's government delaying the implementation of the legislation...

350,000 according to HK Police.

Yeah, saw that...split the difference?

Fair enough

Kiwias wrote:

Taranaki Snapper wrote:

Kiwias wrote:

Taranaki Snapper wrote:
2 million yesterday, allegedly (>25% of Pop. ) despite Lam's government delaying the implementation of the legislation...

350,000 according to HK Police.

Yeah, saw that...split the difference?

Fair enough

it was quite shocking how many people turned out and like 1989, they were peaceful. There was not 2 million out there yet there was considerably more than 350K. I'd put it at 1M+

WTF are you people talking about. There were no protests. The people of Hong Kong are happy this legal loop hole will be closed and sinners can no longer hide.

Hong Kong wrote:
it was quite shocking how many people turned out and like 1989, they were peaceful. There was not 2 million out there yet there was considerably more than 350K. I'd put it at 1M+

I cannot recall the size of the biggest marches in '89 and of course estimates would vary. But even a million would be extraordinary.


The powers that be must be starting to get a bit nervous. Capital flight, a decrease in business confidence, a loss of confidence in and amongst the "consensus" of the de facto ruling class in the place.

wamberal99 wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:
it was quite shocking how many people turned out and like 1989, they were peaceful. There was not 2 million out there yet there was considerably more than 350K. I'd put it at 1M+

I cannot recall the size of the biggest marches in '89 and of course estimates would vary. But even a million would be extraordinary.


The powers that be must be starting to get a bit nervous. Capital flight, a decrease in business confidence, a loss of confidence in and amongst the "consensus" of the de facto ruling class in the place.

So? One word. Shenzhen.

Who wants to live in Shenzen?


Incidentally, that well known leftie Regina Yip was just on CNN calling on Lam to make a proper apology and scrap the legislation permanently.


Maybe Lam can go to live in Shenzen. A lot of people would be happy.

wamberal99 wrote:Who wants to live in Shenzen?


Incidentally, that well known leftie Regina Yip was just on CNN calling on Lam to make a proper apology and scrap the legislation permanently.


Maybe Lam can go to live in Shenzen. A lot of people would be happy.

I mean China would be happy for HK to wither and die (the place, not the poster, well maybe both ). Shenzen is like 90% Mandarin speakers.

Keep the head down HK. I've only been (several times) to Hong Kong but as a tourist, usually on to other places.

It's changed a lot since British rule and the Chinese takeover.

Hong Kong wrote:

wamberal99 wrote:Well, well, well. What do we learn? Peaceful protests don't work, apparently. What is needed is a bit of hooliganism. Sad.

Big loss of face for Carrie Lam. In Chinese culture there is nothing more humiliating.

correct - the HUGE message is the govt. will not change if you are peaceful but have a little bloody party and then total capitulation. So today's march (will be going down there later) I suspect will turn violent. I also suspect the crowd will direct their attention to demanding Carrie to resign rather than the legislation. It's going to get messy - again!

thankfully, I was wrong on that score. Totally peaceful. There was a small crowd that wanted to block the main road again but saw sense and not wanting to lose public favour for their cause, withdrew and are gathered at Tamar Park

https://gfycat.com/relievedcornychrysomelid

a fascinating time-lapse of the protests

That is a lot of people.

globus wrote:Keep the head down HK. I've only been (several times) to Hong Kong but as a tourist, usually on to other places.

It's changed a lot since British rule and the Chinese takeover.

It changed a huge amount during British rule, most particularly since 1949, when the influx from China proper began in earnest.


Talking about time lapse imagery, it would be fantastic to see some time lapse images of the harbour, or Central, over the last 50 years.

Hong Kong wrote:https://gfycat.com/relievedcornychrysomelid

a fascinating time-lapse of the protests

or should that be x 1,000,000?

Hong Kong wrote:https://gfycat.com/relievedcornychrysomelid

a fascinating time-lapse of the protests

Large numbers on paper are really meaningless until you see something like that.

Taranaki Snapper wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:

Nolanator wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:Apparently they are STILL protesting, even after the gov have announced they are repealing the act?

Do they not want the leader one to step down now?

I guess, the beeb’s report was slightly incredulous but they wouldn’t want to annoy Jinping Jack Flash by reporting facts.

2 million yesterday, allegedly (>25% of Pop. ) despite Lam's government delaying the implementation of the legislation...

Pure Theresa May tactics #LamMustGo

Hong Kong wrote:https://gfycat.com/relievedcornychrysomelid

a fascinating time-lapse of the protests

That is wayyyyy more than 350,000

unless they were doing laps

Might be kicking off again tonight in HK. Gloucester Road, Fenwick Street, Arsenal Street all blocked. Wan Chai Police HQ surrounded by black shirt student protesters who have started trying to cover the external CCTV cameras. Revenue Tower occupied.

Of course today had to be the day I was renewing my visa My passport was inside Immigration tower as the swarm descend to occupy that too. I managed to collect it just as they were coming in the ground floor. Half an hour later and I might not have been flying to Singapore on Monday. Got to feel sorry for all the Filipino helpers who will be inside trying to renew contracts / visa docs. They tend to queue overnight to be sure of getting one of the daily quota, so many of them will have been in there 18 hours waiting and perhaps now won't be able to get their paperwork complete. Protesters don't give a shit of course.

There appears to me to be two groups now. The huge peaceful majority who march on Sundays and the hardcore students who have twice tried umbrella-movement style disruption. The first group want the extradition law scrapped (and appear to be succeeding). The second group (Joshua Wong & co) seem to be more extreme in their ambitions (and methods) and are using the media coverage of the first to advance their pro-democracy goals.

Hopefully it stays calm, but rumour on social media is "escalation" around 7pm (3.5 hrs time) apparently.

It’s been pretty peaceful so far but consider this, which other force would accept a total blockade of their HQ, blocking of vehicles and people, tapping up of cctv cameras, trying to get inside the buildings and making ridiculous demands. We have stood by and let this happen

Hong Kong wrote:

wamberal99 wrote:Well, well, well. What do we learn? Peaceful protests don't work, apparently. What is needed is a bit of hooliganism. Sad.

Big loss of face for Carrie Lam. In Chinese culture there is nothing more humiliating.

correct - the HUGE message is the govt. will not change if you are peaceful but have a little bloody party and then total capitulation. So today's march (will be going down there later) I suspect will turn violent. I also suspect the crowd will direct their attention to demanding Carrie to resign rather than the legislation. It's going to get messy - again!

Is it wrong that I can't hear the name Carrie Lam without my treacherous brain adding in the "MY WAYWARD SOOoOoOON" every single damn time?

Anyone still following this?

English Hong Kong flag raised in government by the protesters.

This is going to end horribly

Quite remarkable to see young ethnic Chinese Hong Kongers raising the Union flag in parliament.

It tells you a lot about the benign nature of the British Empire that they'd rather be governed by us than their own compatriots.

So peaceful were the protests two weeks ago, now they're going ballistic! Could there be a number of Chinese Mainland plants out there now, stiring up the locals and getting them to be more violent?

Seems like a totally different feel to the crowd now.

This is a terrible move by the protesters.

This will end in the world community condemning the actions of the protesters and Beijing intervening. An awful prospect.

Imagine living in somewhere like Hong Kong which is very democratic and westernised. Re-education camps and random disappearings incoming.

Terrible moment.

Sandstorm wrote:So peaceful were the protests two weeks ago, now they're going ballistic! Could there be a number of Chinese Mainland plants out there now, stiring up the locals and getting them to be more violent?

Seems like a totally different feel to the crowd now.

2 million out of 8 million residents protested on Sunday, I'm not sure where China goes from here... Do you shutdown 2 million protesters? Is that possible (just thinking off the top of my head)?

Do you go to a vote, for a return to UK Rule? Do you go to a free country vote? Do you vote just to repeal this extradition law, which seems to be more increasing Chinese authoritarianism?

I don't really know where you go from here because you can't go too heavy handed, too many people are watching now.