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 Post subject: Tour de France 2019
PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:13 pm 
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It starts next Saturday, and the usual suspects haven't started the normal thread yet.

It's the only cyclying event I follow, as I love the french TV coverage, and was looking forward to the savvy analysis we usually get here.

Also, there's a Superbru game, and the "Plan et rugby" Pool is up and running for those who might want to join... :P

This year's map (spoiled, because it seems quite large):
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Greatest sport event in the world bar none.

Thanks Puma for saving me the trouble.

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iarmhiman wrote:
Greatest sport event in the world bar none.

Thanks Puma for saving me the trouble.

:thumbup: :D


There's a few of them that classify in that group, but this is certainly one of them. Absolutely brilliant. Unlike other sports where the intro of money has spoiled it (footy being the most obvious), and despite the heavy shadow of drug use, Le Tour is still a gem!!


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Love it, and not just because of the current champion. Incidentally , in my part of Wales, it is possible to do an equivalent Alpe D'Huez, in that you can do a combined ascent of 1.2 k, but not in one go, (that is higher than the highest Welsh mountain) but in 6 roughly equal ascents of about 200m - but, unlike the Alpe D'Huez, which does it over about 9 miles, this does it over about 25 - and it's STILL horrible!


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Lots of favourites struggling to make the starting line. Could be wide open. Love these Grand Tour races (except when they have too many flat stages).


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Lots of favourites struggling to make the starting line. Could be wide open. Love these Grand Tour races (except when they have too many flat stages).

I like the sprint finishes.

I keep an eye on the race in work, then try and get home for the sprint. .

Usually try and take a day off for a proper mountain stage like the Tourmalet.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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So mark Cavendish not even name checked in the dimension data team tour team press release.

Not really a surprise, but.....


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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100 years of the yellow jersey... is that correct?


edit: checked it. 106th Tour - and the Yellow Jersey was only introduced later so yes it's the 100th race for that Jersey :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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So mark Cavendish not even name checked in the dimension data team tour team press release.

Not really a surprise, but.....


I would've been shocked if he'd been included. He's been barely finishing races and nowhere close to contesting sprints. If DiData do anything at the Tour, it'll be through Boassen Hagen.


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100 years of the yellow jersey... is that correct?


edit: checked it. 106th Tour - and the Yellow Jersey was only introduced later so yes it's the 100th race for that Jersey :thumbup:


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There is doubt over when the yellow jersey began. The Belgian rider Philippe Thys, who won the Tour in 1913, 1914 and 1920, recalled in the Belgian magazine Champions et Vedettes when he was 67 that he was awarded a yellow jersey in 1913 when the organiser, Henri Desgrange, asked him to wear a coloured jersey. Thys declined, saying making himself more visible in yellow would encourage other riders to ride against him.[1][2] He said

He then made his argument from another direction. Several stages later, it was my team manager at Peugeot, (Alphonse) Baugé, who urged me to give in. The yellow jersey would be an advertisement for the company and, that being the argument, I was obliged to concede. So a yellow jersey was bought in the first shop we came to. It was just the right size, although we had to cut a slightly larger hole for my head to go through.[2][3][4]

He spoke of the next year's race, when "I won the first stage and was beaten by a tyre by Bossus in the second. On the following stage, the maillot jaune passed to Georget after a crash."

The Tour historian Jacques Augendre called Thys "a valorous rider... well-known for his intelligence" and said his claim "seems free from all suspicion". But: "No newspaper mentions a yellow jersey before the war. Being at a loss for witnesses, we can't solve this enigma."[5]

According to the official history, the first yellow jersey was worn by the Frenchman Eugène Christophe in the stage from Grenoble to Geneva on July 18, 1919.[6] The colour was chosen either to reflect the yellow newsprint of the organising newspaper, L'Auto, or because yellow was an unpopular colour and therefore the only one available with which a manufacturer could create jerseys at late notice.[1]


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Always look forward to this thread :thumbup:

How many of us will end up booking a holiday to the south of France off the back of this year’s coverage...? (I almost certainly will, again :blush: )


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:59 am 
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@DOB as I said, not a surprise, but not a word in the press release seems very cold


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Looking at Movistar and they have some serious firepower.

Quintana
Valverde
Landa
Soler
Amador
Erviti
Oliviera
Verona

This lineup is stronger than what they had in the Giro. But tactically can they make it work?


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Looking at Movistar and they have some serious firepower.

Quintana
Valverde
Landa
Soler
Amador
Erviti
Oliviera
Verona

This lineup is stronger than what they had in the Giro. But tactically can they make it work?

Does the "firepower" get better each year, or more difficult to trace?


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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I love the TDF. I watched the finish the year I lived in Paris. Had lovely yellow umbrella as a souvenir of the day which I lost after a messy post work drinks in Doheney's.

The speed they tear down the cobbled streets has to be seen in person.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Big Nipper wrote:
Beaver_Shark wrote:
Looking at Movistar and they have some serious firepower.

Quintana
Valverde
Landa
Soler
Amador
Erviti
Oliviera
Verona

This lineup is stronger than what they had in the Giro. But tactically can they make it work?

Does the "firepower" get better each year, or more difficult to trace?

Oh, just fúck off already


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Isn't it an automatic ban for anyone trolling this thread?


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Yer Man wrote:
Isn't it an automatic ban for anyone trolling this thread?

Where does it say so? If thats the case I will retract

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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Beaver_Shark wrote:
Looking at Movistar and they have some serious firepower.

Quintana
Valverde
Landa
Soler
Amador
Erviti
Oliviera
Verona

This lineup is stronger than what they had in the Giro. But tactically can they make it work?

Traditionally the assessment would be:

Quintana - happy to finish 2nd. Or 3rd.
Valverde - won't ride for the team and team won't ride for him
Landa - could win if the team work for him, which they won't


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Yer Man wrote:
Beaver_Shark wrote:
Looking at Movistar and they have some serious firepower.

Quintana
Valverde
Landa
Soler
Amador
Erviti
Oliviera
Verona

This lineup is stronger than what they had in the Giro. But tactically can they make it work?

Traditionally the assessment would be:

Quintana - happy to finish 2nd. Or 3rd.
Valverde - won't ride for the team and team won't ride for him
Landa - could win if the team work for him, which they won't

Here's hoping the same guy who was calling shots in their team car at the Giro will be here as well. I remarked during the Giro that they rode very unlike the tactically-clueless Movistar of recent years.

They will need every bit of that same tactical nous to derail that Ineos train.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Big Nipper wrote:
Yer Man wrote:
Isn't it an automatic ban for anyone trolling this thread?

Where does it say so? If thats the case I will retract

:P

We've tried to make this thread purely about the racing each year. There are other threads where you can do the doping thing.

Mods have helped out with this in the past


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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@DOB as I said, not a surprise, but not a word in the press release seems very cold


Probably don't want to rub it in to the guy? Why make a big deal about who isn't riding?

I'm shocked that Cummings made it, though. He's done about as much. I guess DD have been so weak this year that they might as well throw in a hail-Mary, and they've gone for Cummings over Cav.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Prediction time

Yellow: Bernal
White: Enric Mas
Polka Dot: Alaphilippe
Green: Sagan


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Beaver_Shark wrote:
Prediction time

Yellow: Bernal
White: Enric Mas
Polka Dot: Alaphilippe
Green: Sagan


Very hard to call...

Bernal / A. Yates / Fuglsang are favorites in my opinion. Then I expect Thomas, Van Garderen, Fuglsang, Uran, Buchman, Pinot and Bardet to be strong outsiders. Quintana and Landa slightly behing. Quintana doesn't seem in great shape and Landa has the Giro in his legs. If you add Nibali, the hunt for stages wins in the mountains will be something to watch.

I wonder if Alaphilippe will not target the green jersey this year. And the yellow for a few days.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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How is Thomas's form coming into this ?

Excited to see what Alaphillippe will do


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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How is Thomas's form coming into this ?

Excited to see what Alaphillippe will do

Thomas’ form is a mystery. He hasn’t been seen on his bike much this year, and then he crashed out of Suisse before the first mountains. He might be flying for all we know. He might be still hungover from celebrating last year.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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DOB wrote:
Akkerman wrote:
How is Thomas's form coming into this ?

Excited to see what Alaphillippe will do

Thomas’ form is a mystery. He hasn’t been seen on his bike much this year, and then he crashed out of Suisse before the first mountains. He might be flying for all we know. He might be still hungover from celebrating last year.

He's brewed a beer with brains brewery recently


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Well that settles in. G Thomas, dns stage 16.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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DOB wrote:
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How is Thomas's form coming into this ?

Excited to see what Alaphillippe will do

Thomas’ form is a mystery. He hasn’t been seen on his bike much this year, and then he crashed out of Suisse before the first mountains. He might be flying for all we know. He might be still hungover from celebrating last year.


Yes, I read somewhere that he came back after the winter overweight. Having been unable to finish the Tour de Suisse could mean a lack of preparation going into the TDF, and there are a few tricky stages early on. If he loses time there, he won't be able to make it up in the mountains as he is not a natural climber. He needs to get in the lead and then follow the climbers. This will be a tough TDF for him.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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I have absolutely no idea who the form riders are coming into this year's tour. What with the house renovation and work commitments armchair cycling has taken a back-seat. :|


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Followed LeTour since 1980. With each passing year, its appeal becomes less and less.

Old enough to remember when it was a purely French event. The accordion players playing at the final presentation for example. It was a huge event but it was Gallic in form and presentation then.

Slowly the tour took on a more international feel. English speaking riders like Anderson, Kelly, LeMond, Millar, Yates, started to win stages and became contenders.

The tour became more interesting. Riders at the end of a stage still looked like they had raced. They sweated.

1990s saw a change. Riders began not to sweat anymore when climbing the Alps and Pyrenees. By that stage the accordion players were gone, replaced by PA systems.

The racing became more mechanical. Great tour riders only rode the tour, they started to boycott the monuments, the Giro and the Vuelta.

I still watch the tour but to be honest it doesn't hold anywhere close to the same level of interest for me, as an event and as a race


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24 hours to the start...

for those who might be interested, there's also a TdF game going on Superbru... everyday picks of 4 riders, so should take a few minutes daily to join.

The pool name is the standard "Plan et rugby".


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Puma wrote:
24 hours to the start...

for those who might be interested, there's also a TdF game going on Superbru... everyday picks of 4 riders, so should take a few minutes daily to join.

The pool name is the standard "Plan et rugby".


Just did mine, but no idea of course.


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24 hours to the start...

for those who might be interested, there's also a TdF game going on Superbru... everyday picks of 4 riders, so should take a few minutes daily to join.

The pool name is the standard "Plan et rugby".

I've been playing it for a few years now (they always have one for each grand tour).

The scoring is superb as it doesn't just focus on who wins the stage. You get points based on how your riders do in the intermediate sprints, mountains, etc. It always gets really tricky especially in the mountains because you will never know who on the day will go on the break and mop up those early points.

Eg on a sawtooth stage won by Bernal you may find that he gets fewer points than Mollema. Why? Well Mollema was in the break and mopped up most of the mountain points before being caught on the final climb.

I'm in (MNM on Superbru).


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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Also in.

I like the look of the format, looking forward to how this goes.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2019
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What's the general feeling about today?

Groenewegen, Viviani or Ewen?

I'm very conflicted here. I think Viviani might marginally have the better lead out train, but Groenewegen has the better top-end speed.


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Ewen’s been on the radar for years. Would be nice to get a win on his first start. Really not sure he’s got it though.


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GVA went into the early break. Will probably end in the Polka Dot today.


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So who wins today?

Viviani??


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