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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:39 pm 
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In recent times, the record is Mark Taylor with 839 in 1989 (should be starred as it wasn't against a Test quality side)


I seem to recall the pommy press wrote that side up, pre-series, as the worst Aust team ever.

Pity they couldn't get Steve Waugh out until the third test.

Can someone remind me what his series average was at that point?


I don't remember any serious comment that this was the worst Aussie side ever (lets be honest, that would have been brave given some of the dross you had in the previous 10 years), but I do think there was plenty of optimisim for an English victory.

I still have nightmares about that series. Crowned off by Taylor and Marsh batting unbeaten for the whole day in the fitfh(?) test.

It set the template for the whole of 90s english cricket. We bat - it looks like the pitch is full of demons. They bat, suddenly it is batting paradise.


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I don't remember any serious comment that this was the worst Aussie side ever (lets be honest, that would have been brave given some of the dross you had in the previous 10 years), but I do think there was plenty of optimisim for an English victory.

I still have nightmares about that series. Crowned off by Taylor and Marsh batting unbeaten for the whole day in the fitfh(?) test.

It set the template for the whole of 90s english cricket. We bat - it looks like the pitch is full of demons. They bat, suddenly it is batting paradise.


They'd been very poor for some time in the run up to 89, so the Border revolution where he wouldn't drink with the enemy, even guys he'd known for years, was a bit of a shock.

I'd watched test cricket for a couple of years before but that was the first I watched almost in its entirety. Brutal.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Moeen dropped. Curran and Leach in. I wouldnt be quaking in my boots if i were Oz, but then that wee Curran lad has some serious hero potential.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Saw he batted 3 in a T20 the other night - they're really trying to get him to kick on as a batsman. Bit of a golden arm too.


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Saw he batted 3 in a T20 the other night - they're really trying to get him to kick on as a batsman. Bit of a golden arm too.

Yeah its hard to tell if hes got more about him than just smashing it. Given Englands top order No. 5 usually has to dig in :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Ellafan wrote:
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In recent times, the record is Mark Taylor with 839 in 1989 (should be starred as it wasn't against a Test quality side)


I seem to recall the pommy press wrote that side up, pre-series, as the worst Aust team ever.

Pity they couldn't get Steve Waugh out until the third test.

Can someone remind me what his series average was at that point?


My recollection was primarily whether Enhland should be picking Gower because we didn't have a left hander without him and our batting looked weak.

Gower or not our batting was appalling in that series and our bowling was worse


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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EDIT ...flights and accommodation sorted and looking forward to my first Ashes test match at Lords. Hope it's a close contest, with both teams still in it on Day 4 and 5 #fingerscrossed


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Looks like our mate scored us tickets to Lords Day 4 & 5, it's all a bit last minute and looking for flights now. Anyone got suggestions on best places to stay? TIA


Day 4 & 5 at Lord's eh? Edinburgh is nice. Possibly Cornwall. If you want to see some cricket, there is a full list of fixtures in the County Championship on the Sunday. Canterbury is a lovely ground for Kent vs Essex.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:31 pm 
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Saluti testa di cazzo :o


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Wallah wrote:
Saluti testa di cazzo :o


It's lucky I don't speak Italian or I might have been offended by that. :lol:

Serious answer - London in August at short notice - just see what you can find and be prepared to pay an arm and a leg. AirB&B is probably your best bet. Given the low likelihood of play on day 5 (if not day 4), I wouldn't worry about being too close to the ground and have some contingency plans.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Saluti testa di cazzo :o


It's lucky I don't speak Italian or I might have been offended by that. :lol:

Serious answer - London in August at short notice - just see what you can find and be prepared to pay an arm and a leg. AirB&B is probably your best bet. Given the low likelihood of play on day 5 (if not day 4), I wouldn't worry about being too close to the ground and have some contingency plans.


:lol:

Cheers A5D5E5, we got it sorted :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:16 pm 
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Saluti testa di cazzo :o


It's lucky I don't speak Italian or I might have been offended by that. :lol:

Serious answer - London in August at short notice - just see what you can find and be prepared to pay an arm and a leg. AirB&B is probably your best bet. Given the low likelihood of play on day 5 (if not day 4), I wouldn't worry about being too close to the ground and have some contingency plans.

Nah. I've got tickets for day three and it looks like it's going to piss down


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Saluti testa di cazzo :o


It's lucky I don't speak Italian or I might have been offended by that. :lol:

Serious answer - London in August at short notice - just see what you can find and be prepared to pay an arm and a leg. AirB&B is probably your best bet. Given the low likelihood of play on day 5 (if not day 4), I wouldn't worry about being too close to the ground and have some contingency plans.


Nah. I've got tickets for day three and it looks like it's going to piss down


That's a pity. Let's hope the forecast is correct.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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With Stone gone - they just need to chuck Archer in and see how it goes.

He is fast and accurate - and seems to be pretty mature with guidance and what is expected of him.

Him, Woakes, Broad and Stokes should be a decent pace attack at Lords. Leach replacing Ali?

Mike Selvey made a good argument for retaining Ali as a bowler. Left arm off spin is not ideal for comating the Aussie left handers. Right arm off has a statistically the best chance against them... but....


As we all know, Swann was death incarnate to left handers, but Ali isn't Swann. He isn't even a fucking cygnet. Picking a bowler because other bowlers of the same style are effective is a selection policy that even the 90's England teams would have laughed at.


Exactly. "But left handers!" is pointless when you're bowling full tossers and rank long hops. He took 2-130 on a very helpful wicket, against all those left handers. That isn't to say Leach will fare any better, but it's entirely obvious to everyone except people like Selvey that Moeen needs to go away for a while. There's nothing he's doing well right now.

On the heels of Stone's injury, Lewis Gregory is broken too. Jesus. Are they sharing training time with the England rugby team?


There was a great programme on radio 4 a couple of months back (it may even have been a repeat) about Jimmy and the "improvements" that Duncan Fletcher and his bowling coaches tried to make to his bowling action. I know this is a well known story, but to hear Jimmy himself say that it left him injured, with no idea how he was supposed to bowl and on the verge of quitting the game really brought home to me the risks of coaches (in any sport) who really don't know what they are doing.

The positive aspect of this was the programme also talked about the much more scientific approach they now take and the use of biomechanical experts and videos Nevertheless, whenever I hear about an injury (cricket or rugby) which wasn't obviously the result of an in game event, I now think "was that because of some idiot coach?"

Ian Pont and Cath Dalton do some great stuff on the biomechanical frameworks for fast bowler (for bowling fast and for avoiding injury).


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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A5D5E5 wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
etherman wrote:
Gazzamonster wrote:
With Stone gone - they just need to chuck Archer in and see how it goes.

He is fast and accurate - and seems to be pretty mature with guidance and what is expected of him.

Him, Woakes, Broad and Stokes should be a decent pace attack at Lords. Leach replacing Ali?

Mike Selvey made a good argument for retaining Ali as a bowler. Left arm off spin is not ideal for comating the Aussie left handers. Right arm off has a statistically the best chance against them... but....


As we all know, Swann was death incarnate to left handers, but Ali isn't Swann. He isn't even a fucking cygnet. Picking a bowler because other bowlers of the same style are effective is a selection policy that even the 90's England teams would have laughed at.


Exactly. "But left handers!" is pointless when you're bowling full tossers and rank long hops. He took 2-130 on a very helpful wicket, against all those left handers. That isn't to say Leach will fare any better, but it's entirely obvious to everyone except people like Selvey that Moeen needs to go away for a while. There's nothing he's doing well right now.

On the heels of Stone's injury, Lewis Gregory is broken too. Jesus. Are they sharing training time with the England rugby team?


There was a great programme on radio 4 a couple of months back (it may even have been a repeat) about Jimmy and the "improvements" that Duncan Fletcher and his bowling coaches tried to make to his bowling action. I know this is a well known story, but to hear Jimmy himself say that it left him injured, with no idea how he was supposed to bowl and on the verge of quitting the game really brought home to me the risks of coaches (in any sport) who really don't know what they are doing.

The positive aspect of this was the programme also talked about the much more scientific approach they now take and the use of biomechanical experts and videos Nevertheless, whenever I hear about an injury (cricket or rugby) which wasn't obviously the result of an in game event, I now think "was that because of some idiot coach?"

This is a very goid point and applies to batting too. Steve Smith being a prime example. He was lucky enough not to have his unorthodox and quirky batting style not coached out of him -- intentionally too. There's plenty of press about the deliberate decision to just let him do it his way and working with it.

As far as Mooen goes, it was interesting to note the commentators explain that he delivers seemingly randomly with his elbow out, chicken wing style, or tucked in, conventional style. Asked about it, he reportedly said elbow out is his natural style and it still comes out unintentionally sometimes but he's trying to adapt to the orthodox style they're trying to coach into him

I'm short, I suspect you're on to a strong point.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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It’s pissing down in London and is forecast to rain all day. Better hope the teams have the cards in. There’ll be no play today sadly.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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It’s pissing down in London and is forecast to rain all day. Better hope the teams have the cards in. There’ll be no play today sadly.

Ditto Friday and Saturday. Tame draw guaranteed :(


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Momentum to England ... excellent


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Bugger, will get a decent night sleep now though


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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It's fúcking horrible 3 miles from the ground. Looks like play on Thursday and Sunday only? Can we hang in there for a draw??


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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It's fúcking horrible 3 miles from the ground. Looks like play on Thursday and Sunday only? Can we hang in there for a draw??

Only if you cut a hole in the covers


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It's fúcking horrible 3 miles from the ground. Looks like play on Thursday and Sunday only? Can we hang in there for a draw??

Only if you cut a hole in the covers

I'll pop round in a bit


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Looks like our mate scored us tickets to Lords Day 4 & 5, it's all a bit last minute and looking for flights now. Anyone got suggestions on best places to stay? TIA


Day 4 & 5 at Lord's eh? Edinburgh is nice. Possibly Cornwall. If you want to see some cricket, there is a full list of fixtures in the County Championship on the Sunday. Canterbury is a lovely ground for Kent vs Essex.

Planning on one or two drinks at the St Lawrence Ground on Sunday :thumbup:


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Still absolutely pissing down and I have to go out and get some lunch. FFS.


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Have we lost any wickets yet?


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Have we lost any wickets yet?

Smith hasn't scored any runs yet either

#thinkingpositive.

Looks worse on Friday as well😥


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes 2019
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Real shame about the rain - feel especially bad for those with tickets who would have been anticipating today for so long.

And England would have been about 147 - 1 by now :((


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Real shame about the rain - feel especially bad for those with tickets who would have been anticipating today for so long.

And England would have been about 147 - 1 by now :((

Tough morning in the field for them.


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Real shame about the rain - feel especially bad for those with tickets who would have been anticipating today for so long.

And England would have been about 147 - 1 by now :((

Tough morning in the field for them.


Entirely predictable but no worse for that :thumbup:


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Much better from Moeen today :thumbup:


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Didn't realise that Stokes bats lefthanded but bowls with his right arm.


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Kevin Pietersen is playing a blinder today


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So, solid day for England today. Another couple of days of hard graft should secure the draw


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So, solid day for England today. Another couple of days of hard graft should secure the draw

I've just checked my tickets for Friday.

They're not covered. Is it permissible to take my portable gazebo to Lord's?


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So, solid day for England today. Another couple of days of hard graft should secure the draw

I've just checked my tickets for Friday.

They're not covered. Is it permissible to take my portable gazebo to Lord's?


Fine with me as long as you don’t pitch it in front of my fishing brolly.


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Is this one destined for a draw? England playing themselves back into the series well :thumbup:


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What happens when rain rights off an entire day? The first day at that? Do they add another day on the end, or is this just now a 4-day Test?


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What happens when rain rights off an entire day? The first day at that? Do they add another day on the end, or is this just now a 4-day Test?

They try and make some time back, but just over the 4 days


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So, solid day for England today. Another couple of days of hard graft should secure the draw

I've just checked my tickets for Friday.

They're not covered. Is it permissible to take my portable gazebo to Lord's?

Looking at the weather forecast I suggest you will be spending quite some time in the bar so won't need it!


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So, solid day for England today. Another couple of days of hard graft should secure the draw

I've just checked my tickets for Friday.

They're not covered. Is it permissible to take my portable gazebo to Lord's?

Looking at the weather forecast I suggest you will be spending quite some time in the bar so won't need it!


Rain forecast after lunch on Friday.

Lose a whole day to rain, more time sure to be lost in the coming days. Start time today: still 11am :roll:

ECB need a kick up the fanny.


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