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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:41 pm 
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Where: Ciudad de Salta - Argentina

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Venue: Estadio Padre Ernesto Martearena (Capacity 20,408 spectators)

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15. Emiliano Boffelli
14. Santiago Cordero
13. Matías Moroni
12. Jerónimo De La Fuente
11. Ramiro Moyano
10. Nicolás Sánchez
9. Tomás Cubelli
8. Facundo Isa
7. Javier Ortega Desio
6. Pablo Matera (c)
5. Marcos Kremer
4. Matías Alemanno
3. Juan Figallo
2. Agustín Creevy
1. Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro

Replacements:

16. Julián Montolla
17. Mayco Vivas
18. Santiago Medrano
19. Guido Petti
20. Tomás Lezana
21. Gonzalo Bertranou
22. Benjamín Urdapilleta
23. Joaquín Tuculet

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15. Willie le Roux
14. Cheslin Kolbe
13. Lukhanyo Am
12. Damian de Allende
11. Makazole Mapimpi
10. Handré Pollard
9. Faf de Klerk
8. Duane Vermeulen (c)
7. Pieter-Steph du Toit
6. Kwagga Smith
5. Franco Mostert
4. Eben Etzebeth
3. Trevor Nyakane
2. Bongi Mbonambi
1. Tendai Mtawarira

Replacements:

16. Malcolm Marx
17. Steven Kitshoff
18. Frans Malherbe
19. RG Snyman
20. Francois Louw
21. Herschel Jantjies
22. Frans Steyn
23. Jesse Kriel

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Saturday 10 August 2019, 16:40 (Buenos Aires - ARG)
Saturday 10 August 2019, 19:40 (GMT)
Saturday 10 August 2019, 21:40 (Cape Town - RSA)

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Played: 28
Won by Argentina: 3
Won by South Africa: 24
Drawn: 1

Last 16 results

25 Aug 2018 - The Rugby Championship - Argentina 32 - 19 South Africa
18 Aug 2018 - The Rugby Championship - South Africa 34 - 21 Argentina
26 Aug 2017 - The Rugby Championship - Argentina 23 - 41 South Africa
19 Aug 2017 - The Rugby Championship - South Africa 37 - 15 Argentina
27 Aug 2016 - The Rugby Championship - Argentina 26 - 24 South Africa
20 Aug 2016 - The Rugby Championship - South Africa 30 - 23 Argentina
30 Oct 2015 - World Cup - South Africa 24 - 13 Argentina
15 Aug 2015 - August Internationals - Argentina 12 - 26 South Africa
8 Aug 2015 - The Rugby Championship - South Africa 25 - 37 Argentina
23 Aug 2014 - The Rugby Championship - Argentina 31 - 33 South Africa
16 Aug 2014 - The Rugby Championship - South Africa 13 - 6 Argentina
24 Aug 2013 - The Rugby Championship - Argentina 17 - 22 South Africa
17 Aug 2013 - The Rugby Championship - South Africa 73 - 13 Argentina
25 Aug 2012 - The Rugby Championship - Argentina 16 - 16 South Africa
18 Aug 2012 - The Rugby Championship - South Africa 27 - 6 Argentina
14 Oct 2007 - IRB Rugby World Cup - South Africa 37 - 13 Argentina

Match Officials:

Referee - Romain Poite (FFR)

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Assistant Referee 1 - Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2 - Karl Dickson (RFU)
TMO - Rowan Kitt (RFU)

Salta - Altitude and Climate:

Altitude (meters) --> 1221

Salta - Weather Forecast:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:52 pm 
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:thumbup: for the thread.

Hopefully the Boks put out a strong team and manage to win in Arg...always tough.


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Hopefully Kolisi is fit :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:33 am 
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Hopefully Kolisi is fit :thumbup:

Yes, let's hope so.


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Oh dear. It's Poite. :uhoh:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:19 am 
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Chilli wrote:
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Hopefully Kolisi is fit :thumbup:

Yes, let's hope so.


He needs to be in tip-top form so he can spend 50 minute inspecting rucks.


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assfly wrote:
Chilli wrote:
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Hopefully Kolisi is fit :thumbup:

Yes, let's hope so.


He needs to be in tip-top form so he can spend 50 minute inspecting rucks.



Well someone needs to tell the players where the ball is in the ruck, they do not seem to be able to find it by themselves anyway. :D :smug:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:09 am 
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assfly wrote:
Chilli wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
Hopefully Kolisi is fit :thumbup:

Yes, let's hope so.


He needs to be in tip-top form so he can spend 50 minute inspecting rucks.

Haters gonna hate.


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I will be happy if Rassie can cut a few of our weaker players. Mapimpi for example.


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assfly wrote:
Chilli wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
Hopefully Kolisi is fit :thumbup:

Yes, let's hope so.


He needs to be in tip-top form so he can spend 50 minute inspecting rucks.

I'm glad it never came from me.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:14 am 
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Chilli wrote:
assfly wrote:
Chilli wrote:
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Hopefully Kolisi is fit :thumbup:

Yes, let's hope so.


He needs to be in tip-top form so he can spend 50 minute inspecting rucks.

I'm glad it never came from me.

Your post count would be halved if we take out your Kolisi trolls.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:17 am 
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I don't have an issue with Kolisi being in the team, it's not like any of the other loose forwards constantly outplay him in every match.
Everyone going on about Coetzee, but nobody knows how he will go if he plays. Just look at Elstadt, had a great European season, but did not impress at all in the Bok game.I would have loved for Stander to get a few minutes of the bench, he looked very good in Super Rugby, so even if not a starter, he might have been a good impact player. Not to be though.

Mapimpi, has not had any outstanding play in the 2 games yet, so to replace him at this point in time might not be a big loss, even Nkosi looked very average in the first game, apart from the one run down the open touch line that lead to the try. He just seems slow, did he have any big injuries this year,
Even though I would have liked to have given Specman some minutes, i would not have minded seeing Leyds get a chance as well.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:37 am 
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Mapimpi, has not had any outstanding play in the 2 games yet, so to replace him at this point in time might not be a big loss, even Nkosi looked very average in the first game, apart from the one run down the open touch line that lead to the try. He just seems slow, did he have any big injuries this year,
Even though I would have liked to have given Specman some minutes, i would not have minded seeing Leyds get a chance as well.


we have had 3 years of an average De Allende.....where is the consistency?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:48 am 
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bok_viking wrote:
I don't have an issue with Kolisi being in the team, it's not like any of the other loose forwards constantly outplay him in every match.
Everyone going on about Coetzee, but nobody knows how he will go if he plays. Just look at Elstadt, had a great European season, but did not impress at all in the Bok game.


Elstadt’s performance has nothing to do with Coetzee. Coetzee has always been a superior player and, from what I’ve seen of him this season, he’s regained his old form.
Of course we don’t know for sure how he will go but he more than deserves the opportunity, that Elstadt was given, to put his case forward.


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bok_viking wrote:
I don't have an issue with Kolisi being in the team, it's not like any of the other loose forwards constantly outplay him in every match.
Everyone going on about Coetzee, but nobody knows how he will go if he plays. Just look at Elstadt, had a great European season, but did not impress at all in the Bok game.


Elstadt’s performance has nothing to do with Coetzee. Coetzee has always been a superior player and, from what I’ve seen of him this season, he’s regained his old form.
Of course we don’t know for sure how he will go but he more than deserves the opportunity, that Elstadt was given, to put his case forward.



Rassie has managed to exclude Coetzee and Frans to a large extent...


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I'm not against either starting. As they both deserves a chance. Specially Steyn who should be a shoe-in considering the form of the other 12's. Yes Elstadt did get his chance based on his form in France this season and he did not take it so rightly should not be in the squad anymore. Hopefully Coetzee will get a chance to show what he can do for us. For me he should definitely be in the Squad at least.

Al I was saying that it is no foregone conclusion that he will be better than anyone else as many seem to claim. But he needs his chance to show it.
Unfortunately for him, the best he might get is a bench spot as I think Kolisi, PsdT and Vermeulen will be the first choices if all are fit.


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Agreed. He’s playing for a bench role if everyone is fit. That he covers all 3 loosie spots means he has a strong case.


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bok_viking wrote:
I'm not against either starting. As they both deserves a chance. Specially Steyn who should be a shoe-in considering the form of the other 12's. Yes Elstadt did get his chance based on his form in France this season and he did not take it so rightly should not be in the squad anymore. Hopefully Coetzee will get a chance to show what he can do for us. For me he should definitely be in the Squad at least.
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In his 20 minutes Coetzee made a tackle break, and a dominant tackle , carried 4 times for 26 metres and made 3 tackles...........
Rynhardt gave 2 penalties away , missed 3 tackles and made 4 carries for 19 metres



Coetzee deserved another chance....my gut is he will outshine PSDT on ACTUAL PERFORMANCE AND RESULTS if Rassie gives him a SHOT


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Sards wrote:

gut SHOT


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I don't have an issue with Kolisi being in the team, it's not like any of the other loose forwards constantly outplay him in every match.
Everyone going on about Coetzee, but nobody knows how he will go if he plays. Just look at Elstadt, had a great European season, but did not impress at all in the Bok game.I would have loved for Stander to get a few minutes of the bench, he looked very good in Super Rugby, so even if not a starter, he might have been a good impact player. Not to be though.

Mapimpi, has not had any outstanding play in the 2 games yet, so to replace him at this point in time might not be a big loss, even Nkosi looked very average in the first game, apart from the one run down the open touch line that lead to the try. He just seems slow, did he have any big injuries this year,
Even though I would have liked to have given Specman some minutes, i would not have minded seeing Leyds get a chance as well.

Good post. As for injuries, yes, Dyanti


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I see the boks are preparing in Auckland. Smart move, stay close to the rugby gods.


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:shock: To our friends of South Africa don't care about the "curse of RC winners in RWC years"? :shock:


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:shock: To our friends of South Africa don't care about the "curse of RC winners in RWC years"? :shock:

Whatever that curse states, it doesn't apply to us because we've never won the RC :lol:


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Someone agrees with me on the theory that the 4 sides of the RC are working hard on their defense and hide what they are developing in attack, for the RWC.
Except in SA v AUS the tries will not exceed 3 per game (last saturday each side scored a single try). :roll:


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Someone agrees with me on the theory that the 4 sides of the RC are working hard on their defense and hide what they are developing in attack, for the RWC.
Except in SA v AUS the tries will not exceed 3 per game (last saturday each side scored a single try). :roll:

Are you saying the ABs were merely having a training run ....?


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Someone agrees with me on the theory that the 4 sides of the RC are working hard on their defense and hide what they are developing in attack, for the RWC.
Except in SA v AUS the tries will not exceed 3 per game (last saturday each side scored a single try). :roll:

Are you saying the ABs were merely having a training run ....?

Against us, they brought a very experimental team and only scored two tries. They didn't seem to have a lot of ideas about how to break our defense, even though most of the absences (Crusaders players) play in the forwards pack and not between the backs.
Watching that first game it seemed that the motto, which Hansen had imposed on them, was to give us the ball and show that they could defend themselves.


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Rob Howing must read PR :thumbup:

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Still, there is arguably time left yet for present Bok coach Rassie Erasmus to experiment a little further with combinations before RWC 2019 kicks off in late September, and one that comes to mind is the possibility of trying out Etzebeth and Snyman – the latter in a No 5, middle-of-lineout jumping capacity – for the first time together.

While Snyman has played virtually all of his Bok rugby (13 Tests, including five starts) thus far as a “four” factor, he is an appealingly adaptable athlete often familiar with the other lock berth -- and its generally looser, more mobile requirements – through alliance with Jason Jenkins for the Bulls in Super Rugby.

In that landscape, heavyweight Jenkins was invariably the No 4 presence, with Snyman perfectly at ease as the five.

While this should not in any way suggest a downgrading of the short- to medium-term Test prospects of either Mostert or De Jager, both so valuable in their own ways, wouldn’t it be worth Erasmus having a look, if he believes he can yet facilitate that luxury ahead of the World Cup, at Etzebeth-Snyman in tandem?

Such a combination would put plenty of fear into the rival hooker throwing in at lineout time … while also arguably pairing the two major “meanies”, if you like, of the four main Bok locks.

Isn’t it worth a little flutter?


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Someone agrees with me on the theory that the 4 sides of the RC are working hard on their defense and hide what they are developing in attack, for the RWC.
Except in SA v AUS the tries will not exceed 3 per game (last saturday each side scored a single try). :roll:

Are you saying the ABs were merely having a training run ....?

Against us, they brought a very experimental team and only scored two tries. They didn't seem to have a lot of ideas about how to break our defense, even though most of the absences (Crusaders players) play in the forwards pack and not between the backs.
Watching that first game it seemed that the motto, which Hansen had imposed on them, was to give us the ball and show that they could defend themselves.

I doubt they would throw the RC for the RWC


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From an argie perspective, the most important thing about this game in Salta is that we don't get injured (it would be great if neither side had them).
Everything else is assimilable.


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These are the 30 players who will travel to Salta on Sunday to prepare for the final match of the Rugby Championship 2019.

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- Benjamin Urdapilleta was discharged and trained alongside his teammates.
- Agustín Creevy, Julián Montoya and Matías Orlando worked differently with the physiotherapist. The outside centre will have a rest and will not travel to Salta.
- Gonzalo Bertranou should be returning from South Africa (Jaguares XV) and will replace Felipe Ezcurra.


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These are the 30 players who will travel to Salta on Sunday to prepare for the final match of the Rugby Championship 2019.

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- Benjamin Urdapilleta was discharged and trained alongside his teammates.
- Agustín Creevy, Julián Montoya and Matías Orlando worked differently with the physiotherapist. The outside centre will have a rest and will not travel to Salta.
- Gonzalo Bertranou should be returning from South Africa (Jaguares XV) and will replace Felipe Ezcurra.

I heard the starting XV might be:

1) Enrique Pieretto
2) Santiago Socino
3) Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro
4) Guido Petti
5) Marcos Kremmer
6) Juan Manuel Legizamon
7) Pablo Matera
8) Javier Ortega Desio
9) Tomas Cubelli
10) Benjamin Urdapilleta
11) Ramiro Moyano
12) Jeronimo de la Fuente
13) Matias Moroni
14) Santiago Cordero
15) Emiliano Boffelli

The bench is truly my complete speculation, but probably:
16) Mayco Vivas
17) Julian Montoya
18) Santiago Medrano
19) Matias Alemanno
20) Tomas Lezana or Facundo Isa
21) Gonzalo Bertranou
22) Nicolas Sanchez
23) Joaquin Tuculet or Lucas Mensa (first cap?)

A couple of interesting things:

- First game as a starter this year for Enrique Pieretto.
- First game as a starter and first cap for Santiago Socino as a Puma.
- Marcos Kremer moves to lock as a starter.
- First game as a Puma for Benjamin Urdapilleta since 2013! I am excited to see what he has in the tank.
- First game for Gonzalo Bertranou, back as a Puma since his injury this year.
- A potential first game for Lucas Mensa coming from the bench (pure speculation).

There may be too much risk bleeding so many players with first caps, but you have to test the players you have under realistic conditions in a test match if you are a coach and need to define the final 31 players that will make the RWC squad. It is now or never. I just hope for no injuries to either team and a good game.


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I'd like to see RG start in this test.


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I'd like to see RG start in this test.

RG and Eben together :smug: :thumbup:


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DURBAN – Argentina are going to be formidable opponents for the Springboks when they clash in Salta on Saturday night.

Here are five players the Boks will have to keep a close eye on:


Nicolas Sanchez

The points machine is one of just four overseas-based players in the Pumas’ squad, with the majority of players being drawn from the Jaguares’ Super Rugby team.

The 30-year-old did play for the Jaguares between 2016 and 2018 before this year joining Stade Francais in Paris. Sanchez has a sharp boot and the Boks will know that they have to very careful with their discipline.




Sanchez has scored 11 tries, 99 conversions, 140 penalties and 12 drop goals for 709 points in international rugby.

Agustin Creevy

The veteran hooker did not travel to Australia for the Rugby Championship match played on the same day that the Boks drew with the All Blacks because of injury, but he will be fit to play the Bok this weeks.

Creevy is now 34 and massively experienced. He has 81 caps for the Pumas and has a reputation for being one of rugby’s wiliest operators. He is a niggly hooker that gets under the skin of the opposition and always has a word to whisper to the referee.

Emiliano Boffelli

The 24-year-old fullback is a seriously slippery customer. He is lean, keen and electrifying on the counter attack.

Boffelli bamboozeld defences in Super Rugby when he launched attacks from deep with his hot stepping and sheer pace. The Boks will have to cut down Boffelli’s time and space on the ball to negate this serious attacking weapon.


Pablo Matera of the Pumas in action during the Argentina captains run at Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane, Australia. Photo: EPA/Darren England
Pablo Matera

The flank is openly recognised as one of the best players in the world.

The 26-year-old boasts all the attributes of a classic opensider.

He is quick to the ball, skilful in his offloads, savage in defence and a meticulous winner of ball at the breakdown. Matera is coming off a brilliant Super Rugby campaign in which he was a regular winner of the Man of the Match award for the Jaguares. In one sublime performance alone, he almost single-handedly defeated the Sharks at Jonsson Kings Park.

Joaquin Tuculet

The versatile Tuculet has been an elusive customer for the Pumas since 2012, mounting attacks from fullback, centre or the wing.

He is equally happy in all of those positions and has amassed 51 caps for his country. Prior to settling down with the Jaguares in 2016, he played for the Sale Sharks, Cardiff Blues, Grenoble in France and Bordeaux.

Tuculet is an experienced finisher that will create havoc if the Boks do not look after him.

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The Pumas owe us this test. They will throw a massive party if we win this. :blush:


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The Pumas owe us this test. They will throw a massive party if we win this. :blush:


Wut?


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Sandstorm wrote:
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The Pumas owe us this test. They will throw a massive party if we win this. :blush:


Wut?

:uhoh:.....noone owes us anything dude........unless you know of some arrangement made


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The only change to the Bokke will be the two props from the bench will start. Kitshoff & Malherbe will move to the bench.

Cant afford to play Coetzee and Reinach in this important test. They can start from the bench with their captain Kolisi next week.


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Sards wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
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The Pumas owe us this test. They will throw a massive party if we win this. :blush:


Wut?

:uhoh:.....noone owes us anything dude........unless you know of some arrangement made

Heard it through the Winelands vineyards. :nod:


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OomPB wrote:
Sards wrote:
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The Pumas owe us this test. They will throw a massive party if we win this. :blush:


Wut?

:uhoh:.....noone owes us anything dude........unless you know of some arrangement made

Heard it through the Winelands vineyards. :nod:


How long after lunch did you hear this?


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