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Can we please leave all the provincialism now and unite as a bloody decent Bok unit

who is bringing provincial into tbis?


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Hands from Frans :shock:

Try Ox’s favourite winger

and his favourate Flo

Owen has been reading PR: Flo :nod:


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Big Nipper wrote:
Can we please leave all the provincialism now and unite as a bloody decent Bok unit

who is bringing provincial into tbis?

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Can we please leave all the provincialism now and unite as a bloody decent Bok unit

who is bringing provincial into tbis?

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Congratulations cousins of South Africa for winning today in Salts, and for winning the Rugby Championship 2019. :thumbup: :thumbup:
The best of luck in Japan! :o


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Well played Bokke, had way too much from about the half hour mark really. :thumbup:


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Boks great except Faf. Too slow and kicked badly.

Team looking great. Very, very great.


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What a slog that was!

Never easy taking on the Argies at Home, but we made hard work of that.

New defensive structure held up well. Glad the lineouts were also solid for once. Scrum was impressive.

Backline still useless. Looked a million times better when Jantjies, Steyn and Kriel came on. Also, the pointless and inaccurate kicks from Faf and Willie have to stop.


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Am was shithouse. DDA had a good game, especially on defence. Willie needs a kick up the arse.


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What a slog that was!

Never easy taking on the Argies at Home, but we made hard work of that.

New defensive structure held up well. Glad the lineouts were also solid for once. Scrum was impressive.

Backline still useless. Looked a million times better when Jantjies, Steyn and Kriel came on; but the pointless and inaccurate kicks from Faf and Willie have to stop.

Faf was terrible today.We played better when he was binned he was so poor.


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Interesting to hear the Bok water boy constantly shouting instructions direct from Rassie..


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Herschel Jantjies had great 9 minutes, I love watching him play.


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Great result. Always messy in Argentina but the defence and set piece was excellent.

Faf was f**king awful...
Am continues to show what a non-entity he is on attack. For some reason people see him as our answer to Conrad Smith at 13. It’s bizarre. He’s just not very good.


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Slouw comes on, lumbers around like someone with no kneecaps, concedes multiple dumb penalties (like he always does when he comes on). The PR ooms are all "what a majestic player Slouw is, make him the captain".

Mannetjie Kolbe back down to earth with in a bump in this one, after playing exceptionally well against the ABs. Jantjies now trying to score every time he touches the ball and coming up short.

Beast crushed his opponents in the set piece like he has all season. Frans did well when he came on. Pollard man of the match.

The Boks have finally won a trophy.


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Louw made 2 good turnovers when he came on, but also conceded two penalties. Well...
At least DDA defended well, Am was poor. 12 Frans & 13 Kriel should start next week


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Louw made 2 good turnovers when he came on, but also conceded two penalties. Well...

Watch how he lumbers around. Where are his carries. Where is his massive work rate in defence. The turnovers only standout, because Rassie is refusing to select a player in the backrow that plays to the ball. Turnovers should be a normal feature, not unusual and spectacular.

He's absolutely rubbish.


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Faf :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Jesus, he’s slow today!

Poor game by Faf today.

But good win BOKKE!!!!!


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Slouw comes on, lumbers around like someone with no kneecaps, concedes multiple dumb penalties (like he always does when he comes on). The PR ooms are all "what a majestic player Slouw is, make him the captain".

Mannetjie Kolbe back down to earth with in a bump in this one, after playing exceptionally well against the ABs. Jantjies now trying to score every time he touches the ball and coming up short.

Beast crushed his opponents in the set piece like he has all season. Frans did well when he came on. Pollard man of the match.

The Boks have finally won a trophy.

What a fokken troll you are :lol:


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You just get the feeling that the boks are more settled than NZ and the Aussies. What a relief to be winning again. Nothing worse than what we have been subjected to in the past .

Feels like its going to be ok.

Aus looked really good yesterday too...
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The starting front row was dynamite. Sucked the confidence out of the Argies.

What to do about Siya now.


Mostert was a beast...my best forward by a mile.


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Slouw comes on, lumbers around like someone with no kneecaps, concedes multiple dumb penalties (like he always does when he comes on). The PR ooms are all "what a majestic player Slouw is, make him the captain".

Mannetjie Kolbe back down to earth with in a bump in this one, after playing exceptionally well against the ABs. Jantjies now trying to score every time he touches the ball and coming up short.

Beast crushed his opponents in the set piece like he has all season. Frans did well when he came on. Pollard man of the match.

The Boks have finally won a trophy.

Mannetjie Kolbe had a great test playing 9. Goodbye Reinach as 3rd nr 9.


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Mannetjie Kolbe had a great test playing 9. Goodbye Reinach as 3rd nr 9.

First time I saw Mannetjie Kolbe play, I said after about 10 minutes "should be playing 9". The posts will still be on here, said it two years before Mallett did.

Superior Ox rugby logic. Glad you agree. Just imagine how good he could've been if he had been playing 9 for the last 5 years.


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ox wagon wrote:
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Mannetjie Kolbe had a great test playing 9. Goodbye Reinach as 3rd nr 9.

First time I saw Mannetjie Kolbe play, I said after about 10 minutes "should be playing 9". The posts will still be on here, said it two years before Mallett did.

Superior Ox rugby logic. Glad you agree. Just imagine how good he could've been if he had been playing 9 for the last 5 years.

Why do you post he played kak? You start smoking early.


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My biggest dissapointment was not seeing Marcel Coetzee...

Him Kwagga and Duane would compete with any international backrow


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Cape Town - The Springboks simply needed a basic victory, minus bonus point, to land the Rugby Championship title.

That they instead bagged the Full Monty in a 46-13 rout of Argentina in Salta only showed the depth of hunger, zeal and aspiration in their generously-staffed ranks with the 2019 World Cup around the corner - they are fast-firming contenders.

Say what you like about reduced merits in an abbreviated competition this year: Rassie Erasmus’ charges were richly deserving winners and looked a suitably tickled-pink bunch as they hoisted the spoils for the first time since the Pumas made it a quartet of participants in the annual southern-hemisphere showpiece.

It was also a triumph of composure, after an often ominous development had occurred as early as the second minute: a Pumas converted try, which can get them irreversibly fired-up on home terrain.

Instead the sting was progressively, clinically drawn from them.

The Boks were more industrial than genuinely vibrant in the first half, but then increasingly found verve and enterprise (helped by what is clearly healthy conditioning in most cases) on the front foot after the break to add three further tries to their earlier two.

Several players earned high marks, but our summary was headed by the prolific-scoring, incisive Handre Pollard at flyhalf (including two dot-downs) and Trevor Nyakane’s butchery of poor Tetaz Chaparro at scrum time and enormous work-rate in other facets.

Here’s how I rated the Boks in Salta:

Willie le Roux: 6

One or two “nowhere” kicks, and it was strange not to see him too fulsomely involved in attacks when the sluice-gates opened in the second period. But he took one nice half-gap, and there were a couple of healthy left-footed exit kicks.

Cheslin Kolbe: 8

His international star just keeps rising … including in the astonishing comfort he showed as emergency No 9 during Faf de Klerk’s time in the sin bin, demonstrating Nick Mallett’s long-time conviction in that area. He chased and harried ceaselessly, put body on the line defensively and was increasingly thrust-laden in his starting berth, including elegant 67th-minute try.

Lukhanyo Am: 6

Would have been a little disappointed that so little ball reached his outside-centre channel, especially as Boks slightly overdid the box kicking in first period. He also missed the last 20, impactful minutes after Jesse Kriel’s entry. Some moments of deft footwork and reliable tackling, though.

Damian de Allende: 7.5

One of his best Tests in a while, enough to silence a few knockers. He was commandingly robust and prolific as a defender, grafted commendably over the ball and produced smart little cameo roles in some offensive raids.

Makazole Mapimpi: 6.5

Some early hesitancy, including positional concern (perhaps?) in Pumas’ lone try, and slightly over-running a short pass from Le Roux once. But then he grew and grew into the contest, with a smart finish for try and one thrilling, defence-splitting in-field raid.

Handre Pollard: 8.5

Master and commander. Bossed his channel with enormous aplomb, not for first time this season. His directness and power made him a constant menace near Pumas’ line, including two personal tries in a 31-point feast for the pivot. Great long pass to tee up Mapimpi’s try, and usual reliability off the tee.

Faf de Klerk: 6

Erratic execution of duties at times, including some wrongly-weighed tactical kicks. But always prepared to get fingers dirty, and service was sprightly when he did pass. Yellow card for breakdown offence (with Boks on repeat-infringement warning) wasn’t ideal, but they made such light work of his absence, on the plus side …

Duane Vermeulen: 7

Fulsome performance from the acting captain and gnarly No 8. Helped subdue the Pumas pack’s initial relish, engaged well with French referee Romain Poite (sometimes previously a problematic SA figure) and won a breakdown penalty. Slightly twisted knee impeded him a bit before he was subbed.

Pieter-Steph du Toit: 7

Mr Reliable at blindside flank … no change to that admirable trend here for a player who now deserves a rotational rest. Safe and sometimes even creative hands, and confirmed durability of that engine by popping up a lot in late raids.

Kwagga Smith: 6.5

Wasn’t always visibly impactful, but that was often because he was doing unsung donkeywork at breakdowns, including slowing Argentine ball. His swift track-back tackling was also important at times.

Franco Mostert: 7.5

Whole-hearted showing from another so trusty diesel. But in this game he wasn’t just about mongrel and energy at close quarters: fine support running, valuable ruck work, and a plethora of dynamic, own carries.

Eben Etzebeth: 7

Typical “enforcer” showing from the seasoned figure. Had a memorable early break-out charge, confirming athletic prowess, made aggressive, crunching tackles and was secure figure at front of lineout. Leaked a penalty for maul collapse.

Trevor Nyakane: 8.5

The revelation of the engine room in 2019, and this was a crowning performance for the tighthead. Utterly dominated his direct opponent, Chaparro, at scrum-time, helping earn a string of Bok penalties in his 50-minute shift. But also apparently made 15 tackles … RWC 2007-winning captain John Smit labelled it “insane” in SuperSport studio tribute.

Bongi Mbonambi: 7.5

So interesting, this: has he now gained a slight edge over much-vaunted Malcolm Marx in priority terms at hooker? Ball of fire in Salta, including outstanding maul management as usual (and a try as reward once), plus welcome lineout throw-in assuredness. Mind you, Marx was pleasingly restless off the splinters, too.

Tendai Mtawarira: 7.5

Not far off his prop partner for power at the set-piece, including a couple of penalty wins himself based on the pressure the veteran exerted. That he was so especially, animatedly gleeful when Boks celebrated the title said much about renewed lustre.

Standout substitute:

Steven Kitshoff: 7

As has become pleasingly, tellingly customary, almost all Bok subs climbed into their tasks quickly and with relish, but the burly loosehead prop topped the pile with his vigorous 33 minutes, including continued scrum dominance, strong drives and intelligent lead-up work in one of the tries.

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My biggest dissapointment was not seeing Marcel Coetzee...

Him Kwagga and Duane would compete with any international backrow

Him, PSDT and Duanne :smug:


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Cape Town - The Springboks simply needed a basic victory, minus bonus point, to land the Rugby Championship title.

That they instead bagged the Full Monty in a 46-13 rout of Argentina in Salta only showed the depth of hunger, zeal and aspiration in their generously-staffed ranks with the 2019 World Cup around the corner - they are fast-firming contenders.

Say what you like about reduced merits in an abbreviated competition this year: Rassie Erasmus’ charges were richly deserving winners and looked a suitably tickled-pink bunch as they hoisted the spoils for the first time since the Pumas made it a quartet of participants in the annual southern-hemisphere showpiece.

It was also a triumph of composure, after an often ominous development had occurred as early as the second minute: a Pumas converted try, which can get them irreversibly fired-up on home terrain.

Instead the sting was progressively, clinically drawn from them.

The Boks were more industrial than genuinely vibrant in the first half, but then increasingly found verve and enterprise (helped by what is clearly healthy conditioning in most cases) on the front foot after the break to add three further tries to their earlier two.

Several players earned high marks, but our summary was headed by the prolific-scoring, incisive Handre Pollard at flyhalf (including two dot-downs) and Trevor Nyakane’s butchery of poor Tetaz Chaparro at scrum time and enormous work-rate in other facets.

Here’s how I rated the Boks in Salta:

Willie le Roux: 6

One or two “nowhere” kicks, and it was strange not to see him too fulsomely involved in attacks when the sluice-gates opened in the second period. But he took one nice half-gap, and there were a couple of healthy left-footed exit kicks.

Cheslin Kolbe: 8

His international star just keeps rising … including in the astonishing comfort he showed as emergency No 9 during Faf de Klerk’s time in the sin bin, demonstrating Nick Mallett’s long-time conviction in that area. He chased and harried ceaselessly, put body on the line defensively and was increasingly thrust-laden in his starting berth, including elegant 67th-minute try.

Lukhanyo Am: 6

Would have been a little disappointed that so little ball reached his outside-centre channel, especially as Boks slightly overdid the box kicking in first period. He also missed the last 20, impactful minutes after Jesse Kriel’s entry. Some moments of deft footwork and reliable tackling, though.

Damian de Allende: 7.5

One of his best Tests in a while, enough to silence a few knockers. He was commandingly robust and prolific as a defender, grafted commendably over the ball and produced smart little cameo roles in some offensive raids.

Makazole Mapimpi: 6.5

Some early hesitancy, including positional concern (perhaps?) in Pumas’ lone try, and slightly over-running a short pass from Le Roux once. But then he grew and grew into the contest, with a smart finish for try and one thrilling, defence-splitting in-field raid.

Handre Pollard: 8.5

Master and commander. Bossed his channel with enormous aplomb, not for first time this season. His directness and power made him a constant menace near Pumas’ line, including two personal tries in a 31-point feast for the pivot. Great long pass to tee up Mapimpi’s try, and usual reliability off the tee.

Faf de Klerk: 6

Erratic execution of duties at times, including some wrongly-weighed tactical kicks. But always prepared to get fingers dirty, and service was sprightly when he did pass. Yellow card for breakdown offence (with Boks on repeat-infringement warning) wasn’t ideal, but they made such light work of his absence, on the plus side …

Duane Vermeulen: 7

Fulsome performance from the acting captain and gnarly No 8. Helped subdue the Pumas pack’s initial relish, engaged well with French referee Romain Poite (sometimes previously a problematic SA figure) and won a breakdown penalty. Slightly twisted knee impeded him a bit before he was subbed.

Pieter-Steph du Toit: 7

Mr Reliable at blindside flank … no change to that admirable trend here for a player who now deserves a rotational rest. Safe and sometimes even creative hands, and confirmed durability of that engine by popping up a lot in late raids.

Kwagga Smith: 6.5

Wasn’t always visibly impactful, but that was often because he was doing unsung donkeywork at breakdowns, including slowing Argentine ball. His swift track-back tackling was also important at times.

Franco Mostert: 7.5

Whole-hearted showing from another so trusty diesel. But in this game he wasn’t just about mongrel and energy at close quarters: fine support running, valuable ruck work, and a plethora of dynamic, own carries.

Eben Etzebeth: 7

Typical “enforcer” showing from the seasoned figure. Had a memorable early break-out charge, confirming athletic prowess, made aggressive, crunching tackles and was secure figure at front of lineout. Leaked a penalty for maul collapse.

Trevor Nyakane: 8.5

The revelation of the engine room in 2019, and this was a crowning performance for the tighthead. Utterly dominated his direct opponent, Chaparro, at scrum-time, helping earn a string of Bok penalties in his 50-minute shift. But also apparently made 15 tackles … RWC 2007-winning captain John Smit labelled it “insane” in SuperSport studio tribute.

Bongi Mbonambi: 7.5

So interesting, this: has he now gained a slight edge over much-vaunted Malcolm Marx in priority terms at hooker? Ball of fire in Salta, including outstanding maul management as usual (and a try as reward once), plus welcome lineout throw-in assuredness. Mind you, Marx was pleasingly restless off the splinters, too.

Tendai Mtawarira: 7.5

Not far off his prop partner for power at the set-piece, including a couple of penalty wins himself based on the pressure the veteran exerted. That he was so especially, animatedly gleeful when Boks celebrated the title said much about renewed lustre.

Standout substitute:

Steven Kitshoff: 7

As has become pleasingly, tellingly customary, almost all Bok subs climbed into their tasks quickly and with relish, but the burly loosehead prop topped the pile with his vigorous 33 minutes, including continued scrum dominance, strong drives and intelligent lead-up work in one of the tries.

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I thought Mostert was worth an 8 and a bit...a quick glimpse at his real workrate and you understand why those forwards getting stuck in are ignored over those swanning in the backline getting all the glory for just being there and doing nothing else much.

Thought the starting front row was far superior to the reserve front row...bar maybe Marx...but its close. We did not dominate as we did with the starters...but we saw that in Soup already


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Rassie will cotton wool the team that played yesterday and will select all the others this weekend.

Coetzee, Elstadt and Kolisi to start as captain


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Rassie will cotton wool the team that played yesterday and will select all the others this weekend.

Coetzee, Elstadt and Kolisi to start as captain

When last did Yank post his predicted team for the next week?


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Rassie will cotton wool the team that played yesterday and will select all the others this weekend.

Coetzee, Elstadt and Kolisi to start as captain

When last did Yank post his predicted team for the next week?

AE to start as well.

Not Yank, I got this through the Winelands vineyards after the test last night


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Rassie did really well with these three games. Only way it could have gone better was if we beat NZ. Now he can rest those that needs a rest and play a second string side in the meaningless but important for other reasons game. Some games in the world cup will need to be with a team that wont stumble like we did in 2007.
He's outshone JW in their respective world cup years thus far to be honest.


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It's the hope that kills you.

I'm only looking forward to the RWC, so I can watch Beast our scrum talisman, demolish opponents. It's awesome what he's doing there at the moment.


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It's the hope that kills you.

I'm only looking forward to the RWC, so I can watch Beast our scrum talisman, demolish opponents. It's awesome what he's doing there at the moment.

He, Bongi and Trevor were very good last night.


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It's the hope that kills you.

I'm only looking forward to the RWC, so I can watch Beast our scrum talisman, demolish opponents. It's awesome what he's doing there at the moment.

He, Bongi and Trevor were very good last night.

Bongi and Trevor don't play for Ox Guppies. :roll:


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It's the hope that kills you.

I'm only looking forward to the RWC, so I can watch Beast our scrum talisman, demolish opponents. It's awesome what he's doing there at the moment.

He, Bongi and Trevor were very good last night.

Bongi and Trevor don't play for Ox Guppies. :roll:

You would have to blind to not see Beast was our standout frontrow. Went forward every scrum.


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ox wagon wrote:
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ox wagon wrote:
It's the hope that kills you.

I'm only looking forward to the RWC, so I can watch Beast our scrum talisman, demolish opponents. It's awesome what he's doing there at the moment.

He, Bongi and Trevor were very good last night.

Bongi and Trevor don't play for Ox Guppies. :roll:

You would have to blind to not see Beast was our standout frontrow. Went forward every scrum.

The loosehead goes forward first.........


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ox wagon wrote:
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ox wagon wrote:
It's the hope that kills you.

I'm only looking forward to the RWC, so I can watch Beast our scrum talisman, demolish opponents. It's awesome what he's doing there at the moment.

He, Bongi and Trevor were very good last night.

Bongi and Trevor don't play for Ox Guppies. :roll:

You would have to blind to not see Beast was our standout frontrow. Went forward every scrum.

Trevor was better. Great performance and as mentioned last week, shows Malherbe isn’t quite up to it.


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Chilli wrote:
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Chilli wrote:
ox wagon wrote:
It's the hope that kills you.

I'm only looking forward to the RWC, so I can watch Beast our scrum talisman, demolish opponents. It's awesome what he's doing there at the moment.

He, Bongi and Trevor were very good last night.

Bongi and Trevor don't play for Ox Guppies. :roll:

You would have to blind to not see Beast was our standout frontrow. Went forward every scrum.

The loosehead goes forward first.........

Yes the loosehead is attacking, but you have to actually win to be going forward at all. Are we now taking defeating every scrum we face for granted? The loosehead has to push forward (helped by being pushed by those behind him) as well as trying to destabilise the oppo tighthead by pushing up, to go forward he has to defeat his opponent. The strength of Beast is insane.


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ox wagon wrote:
It's the hope that kills you.

I'm only looking forward to the RWC, so I can watch Beast our scrum talisman, demolish opponents. It's awesome what he's doing there at the moment.


Talisman nogal.

I'm as big a fan of the beastly one as the next, but it's not often we dominate scrums like we did yesterday. So that means the "talisman" doesn't always pull his weight?
Besides, if the tight head doesn't do his job the scrum goes nowhere. Hence the term, getting a "right shoulder" when you engage...


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