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I think they should.


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you put forward a very convincing argument



















no :thumbdown:


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no, i stand with my northern hemisphere brothers when i say that Tier 2 teams should remain weak so that RWC's have no shocks..


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Consistently playing against teams above them has really benefited the national side so I say yes.


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Yes !!!


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Super Asia competition with:
1*JP
1*Hk
1*SG
1*AU (worst AU team)
1*Tonga
1*Fiji (maybe hte NRC team)
1*Samoa
1*NZ team (worst NZ team)
8 teams - 14 rounds - top four play off etc - paid for by Twiggy...

Similar version set up in Africa/Amers for - 1* worst safa, Nambia, Kenya, CotedI, uru, arg, US + Can
Same format

Leaves SupeRugby as 11 teams - 20 games - top four play off etc

Just throwing out ideas/shit


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comets wrote:
no, i stand with my northern hemisphere brothers when i say that Tier 2 teams should remain weak so that RWC's have no shocks..

I think most NH supporters think it would be great if more Tier 2 teams had their own pro leagues like they do in Japan.


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kiwigreg369 wrote:
Super Asia competition with:
1*JP
1*Hk
1*SG
1*AU (worst AU team)
1*Tonga
1*Fiji (maybe hte NRC team)
1*Samoa
1*NZ team (worst NZ team)
8 teams - 14 rounds - top four play off etc - paid for by Twiggy...

Similar version set up in Africa/Amers for - 1* worst safa, Nambia, Kenya, CotedI, uru, arg, US + Can
Same format

Leaves SupeRugby as 11 teams - 20 games - top four play off etc

Just throwing out ideas/shit


That's pretty much the GRR concept the Force are involved with. Or at least a semblance of what it is intended to be. But there was some word from Japan that they are looking to leverage the RWC to launch a revamped professional structure in 2021. So. The US and Canada already have MLR which they are developing and there are plans (but little recent word) of a Sth American league starting either next year of 2021 as well.


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Yes. Kick out SA teams and get the PIs involved as well


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Working Class Rugger wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:
Super Asia competition with:
1*JP
1*Hk
1*SG
1*AU (worst AU team)
1*Tonga
1*Fiji (maybe hte NRC team)
1*Samoa
1*NZ team (worst NZ team)
8 teams - 14 rounds - top four play off etc - paid for by Twiggy...

Similar version set up in Africa/Amers for - 1* worst safa, Nambia, Kenya, CotedI, uru, arg, US + Can
Same format

Leaves SupeRugby as 11 teams - 20 games - top four play off etc

Just throwing out ideas/shit


That's pretty much the GRR concept the Force are involved with. Or at least a semblance of what it is intended to be. But there was some word from Japan that they are looking to leverage the RWC to launch a revamped professional structure in 2021. So. The US and Canada already have MLR which they are developing and there are plans (but little recent word) of a Sth American league starting either next year of 2021 as well.


Don't tell anyone I told you this, but you can probably add Taiwan to and subtract SG from that list of GRR teams. Oh and Malaysia are known to be in.


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GotheCanes wrote:
Yes. Kick out SA teams and get the PIs involved as well


Japan are OK, if the PI's enter the soup/TRC, they'd be strong enough to make the top 3 rankings, something WR are afraid of..


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No Japan have moved to a comp that stops them playing really so what's the point?


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Sinkers wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:
Super Asia competition with:
1*JP
1*Hk
1*SG
1*AU (worst AU team)
1*Tonga
1*Fiji (maybe hte NRC team)
1*Samoa
1*NZ team (worst NZ team)
8 teams - 14 rounds - top four play off etc - paid for by Twiggy...

Similar version set up in Africa/Amers for - 1* worst safa, Nambia, Kenya, CotedI, uru, arg, US + Can
Same format

Leaves SupeRugby as 11 teams - 20 games - top four play off etc

Just throwing out ideas/shit


That's pretty much the GRR concept the Force are involved with. Or at least a semblance of what it is intended to be. But there was some word from Japan that they are looking to leverage the RWC to launch a revamped professional structure in 2021. So. The US and Canada already have MLR which they are developing and there are plans (but little recent word) of a Sth American league starting either next year of 2021 as well.


Don't tell anyone I told you this, but you can probably add Taiwan to and subtract SG from that list of GRR teams. Oh and Malaysia are known to be in.


Really? Any idea why SG are pulling out/being cut?


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Its too late now. All the decent SW players have signed for new teams post 2020.

But I think a priority should be given to bringing Japan into the RC asap. If they can beat Ireland and beat the Springboks then they are good enough for the RC. Japan's inclusion in this comp makes more sense than the Sunwolves playing in SR, IMO.


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Working Class Rugger wrote:
Sinkers wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:
Super Asia competition with:
1*JP
1*Hk
1*SG
1*AU (worst AU team)
1*Tonga
1*Fiji (maybe hte NRC team)
1*Samoa
1*NZ team (worst NZ team)
8 teams - 14 rounds - top four play off etc - paid for by Twiggy...

Similar version set up in Africa/Amers for - 1* worst safa, Nambia, Kenya, CotedI, uru, arg, US + Can
Same format

Leaves SupeRugby as 11 teams - 20 games - top four play off etc

Just throwing out ideas/shit


That's pretty much the GRR concept the Force are involved with. Or at least a semblance of what it is intended to be. But there was some word from Japan that they are looking to leverage the RWC to launch a revamped professional structure in 2021. So. The US and Canada already have MLR which they are developing and there are plans (but little recent word) of a Sth American league starting either next year of 2021 as well.


Don't tell anyone I told you this, but you can probably add Taiwan to and subtract SG from that list of GRR teams. Oh and Malaysia are known to be in.


Really? Any idea why SG are pulling out/being cut?


Rumours APDragons are moving elsewhere. They're apparently disappointed with engagement from Singapore Rugby. Singapore Rugby apparently saying APDragons didn't have their act together re social media, community engagement etc etc,
A bit silly after what was effectively a half season to fall out over not having that shit fully sorted.

Additionally there seem to be a Supe franchise or two who see GRR as an opportunity for more playing time for their academies and hoping to work with or form GRR franchises accordingly.


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Perhaps when they have a clear majority of players in the squad who were born and raised in japan, making the SWs a vehicle for the development of the domestic player base (as super rugby was initially intended to be and still is in the other four countries involved). Otherwise we are just begging Japan to skin our player base even more.


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Ali's Choice wrote:
Its too late now. All the decent SW players have signed for new teams post 2020.

But I think a priority should be given to bringing Japan into the RC asap. If they can beat Ireland and beat the Springboks then they are good enough for the RC. Japan's inclusion in this comp makes more sense than the Sunwolves playing in SR, IMO.


Could have both - that would make more sense still. Of all the Federations involved you'd GUESS that the JAP RFU would have the cash to support this, especially after the RWC

Whether there are sufficient players of requisite standard.......(as Kiwias has questioned)


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Sinkers wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
Sinkers wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:
Super Asia competition with:
1*JP
1*Hk
1*SG
1*AU (worst AU team)
1*Tonga
1*Fiji (maybe hte NRC team)
1*Samoa
1*NZ team (worst NZ team)
8 teams - 14 rounds - top four play off etc - paid for by Twiggy...

Similar version set up in Africa/Amers for - 1* worst safa, Nambia, Kenya, CotedI, uru, arg, US + Can
Same format

Leaves SupeRugby as 11 teams - 20 games - top four play off etc

Just throwing out ideas/shit


That's pretty much the GRR concept the Force are involved with. Or at least a semblance of what it is intended to be. But there was some word from Japan that they are looking to leverage the RWC to launch a revamped professional structure in 2021. So. The US and Canada already have MLR which they are developing and there are plans (but little recent word) of a Sth American league starting either next year of 2021 as well.


Don't tell anyone I told you this, but you can probably add Taiwan to and subtract SG from that list of GRR teams. Oh and Malaysia are known to be in.


Really? Any idea why SG are pulling out/being cut?


Rumours APDragons are moving elsewhere. They're apparently disappointed with engagement from Singapore Rugby. Singapore Rugby apparently saying APDragons didn't have their act together re social media, community engagement etc etc,
A bit silly after what was effectively a half season to fall out over not having that shit fully sorted.

Additionally there seem to be a Supe franchise or two who see GRR as an opportunity for more playing time for their academies and hoping to work with or form GRR franchises accordingly.


Ok. That all seems......rational. The Super franchise looking to get involved is something I support. In fact, I've thought for some time as a means of rebuilding the burned bridges that RA could look to work with GRR to either farm out the best up and comers (U20s and the like not currently starting in SR) to GRR franchises or form one themselves in order to get more quality game time under their belt as opposed to just running around in club footy.


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Ali's Choice wrote:
Its too late now. All the decent SW players have signed for new teams post 2020.

But I think a priority should be given to bringing Japan into the RC asap. If they can beat Ireland and beat the Springboks then they are good enough for the RC. Japan's inclusion in this comp makes more sense than the Sunwolves playing in SR, IMO.


Could have both - that would make more sense still. Of all the Federations involved you'd GUESS that the JAP RFU would have the cash to support this, especially after the RWC

Whether there are sufficient players of requisite standard.......(as Kiwias has questioned)


The JRFU had to pay a f**king stupidly high participation fee for the Sunwolves to feature in SR. While I support them being offered a seat in the RC I seem to recall the JRFU themselves were none too keen to keep paying I think $9m a season to play in SR. If the proposed restructure of their top tier to a professional league occurs. That will likely have a bigger impact on Japanese Rugby than a single team in SR.


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Cant see why japan wants to pay for a team of mostly expats.

Giving people passports and developing the game aren't quite the same thing.

No No and No


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Ali's Choice wrote:
Its too late now. All the decent SW players have signed for new teams post 2020.

But I think a priority should be given to bringing Japan into the RC asap. If they can beat Ireland and beat the Springboks then they are good enough for the RC. Japan's inclusion in this comp makes more sense than the Sunwolves playing in SR, IMO.


I reckon this is the way.
The Sunwolves were financially backed by the JRU. The reason they are going is that financial security is gone.
Get the Japanese pro league running outside of companies which I think is what is happening and get Japan regularly playing tier 1 teams and we should be right. They will improve quickly.
Plus it will mean Australia might win a game or two in the RC.


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Japan should develop their domestic league. They are a massive country - no reason they need to tow along on the low revenue SR.

The 4 nations however is a different matter. Getting a big proper economy that likes rugby (not oz) in the mix could help drive TV revenues for them.


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No, as they have their Top League.

Super Rugby should be the most important competition in any country it is played. This is the case in Argentina, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. But not Japan.

I think Japan's place is in pacific league with Canada, USA and the PI's using the 6 nations as a model


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No f cking shit Nardol? How about you read up a few posts..... :?


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No f cking shit Nardol? How about you read up a few posts..... :?


You should be happy your getting me precious time talking about SH rugby. You are truly blessed. I don't want to actually read about it.


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No.

Do not mix the hemispheres. Rugby is a winter sport.

fudge going to Japan to play a test match or Super Final in July.


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Sonny Blount wrote:
No.

Do not mix the hemispheres. Rugby is a winter sport.

fudge going to Japan to play a test match in July.



Whats queensland like in july? Cant be that bad compared?


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Super Rugby is such a mess.

Teams appear and then disappear in the blink of an eye.

How on earth are fans supposed to get on board with such a capricious competition? :thumbdown:


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nardol wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
No.

Do not mix the hemispheres. Rugby is a winter sport.

fudge going to Japan to play a test match in July.



Whats queensland like in july? Cant be that bad compared?


Brisbane
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Sonny Blount wrote:
nardol wrote:
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No.

Do not mix the hemispheres. Rugby is a winter sport.

fudge going to Japan to play a test match in July.



Whats queensland like in july? Cant be that bad compared?


Brisbane
Average low 10, average high 22.

Brisbane
Average low 21, average high 29.

Is the second Brisbane in Japan ?


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MrDominator wrote:
Super Rugby is such a mess.

Teams appear and then disappear in the blink of an eye.

How on earth are fans supposed to get on board with such a capricious competition? :thumbdown:

Most expansion teams have worked . What's wrong with having a go


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Anonymous. wrote:
MrDominator wrote:
Super Rugby is such a mess.

Teams appear and then disappear in the blink of an eye.

How on earth are fans supposed to get on board with such a capricious competition? :thumbdown:

Most expansion teams have worked . What's wrong with having a go


What?

One of the expansion teams worked. One.


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Farva wrote:
The Sunwolves were financially backed by the JRU. The reason they are going is that financial security is gone.


This is the key point - the JRU don't want a team in SR (that they have to subsidise). They have their own plans, which do not involve putting up with other Unions claiming that as they are generating TV income, the JRU should have do what they want.

The NZRU & ARU should follow their lead.

End of thread.


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Anonymous. wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
nardol wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
No.

Do not mix the hemispheres. Rugby is a winter sport.

fudge going to Japan to play a test match in July.



Whats queensland like in july? Cant be that bad compared?


Brisbane
Average low 10, average high 22.

Brisbane
Average low 21, average high 29.

Is the second Brisbane in Japan ?



Yes


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The Argies should be removed...its a kak travel for matches and our Super rugby teams need the advantage because they keep klapping us.


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Ellafan wrote:
Farva wrote:
The Sunwolves were financially backed by the JRU. The reason they are going is that financial security is gone.


This is the key point - the JRU don't want a team in SR (that they have to subsidise). They have their own plans, which do not involve putting up with other Unions claiming that as they are generating TV income, the JRU should have do what they want.

The NZRU & ARU should follow their lead.

End of thread.


Ratings support that but the admin of the NZRFU certainly doesn't.


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Remove SA teams first


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Working Class Rugger wrote:
Ellafan wrote:
Farva wrote:
The Sunwolves were financially backed by the JRU. The reason they are going is that financial security is gone.


This is the key point - the JRU don't want a team in SR (that they have to subsidise). They have their own plans, which do not involve putting up with other Unions claiming that as they are generating TV income, the JRU should have do what they want.

The NZRU & ARU should follow their lead.

End of thread.


Ratings support that but the admin of the NZRFU certainly doesn't.


I guess the TV rights money in a small market like NZ is so limited that they are dependent on international competitions to fund player retention.

You have to wonder what NZers will look back and think of this approach in 50 years time, when the injection of interest and money prompted by the Olympics has rather altered the geographic footprint of the sport.


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sonic_attack wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
MrDominator wrote:
Super Rugby is such a mess.

Teams appear and then disappear in the blink of an eye.

How on earth are fans supposed to get on board with such a capricious competition? :thumbdown:

Most expansion teams have worked . What's wrong with having a go


What?

One of the expansion teams worked. One.

The competition started with 12 teams so not as bad as that


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Anonymous. wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
nardol wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
No.

Do not mix the hemispheres. Rugby is a winter sport.

fudge going to Japan to play a test match in July.



Whats queensland like in july? Cant be that bad compared?


Brisbane
Average low 10, average high 22.

Brisbane
Average low 21, average high 29.

Is the second Brisbane in Japan ?


Are they trying to claim it’s the biggest city in the world again?


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