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I wonder what demographics those people might be.backrow wrote:Wtf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178
I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.
AND-y wrote:Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.
I understand there will be a new free form of ID made available, which should be of general usefulness if you don’t have one of the currently available formats.AND-y wrote:Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.
c69 wrote:What are legal forms of id?backrow wrote:Wtf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178
I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.
I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.
Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.
I agree.c69 wrote:What are legal forms of id?backrow wrote:Wtf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178
I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.
I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.
Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.
What voter fraud?bimboman wrote:c69 wrote:What are legal forms of id?backrow wrote:Wtf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178
I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.
I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.
Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.
Areas where voter ID has been trialed had voter cards issued , this of course wouldn’t be too difficult.
Laugh at the lefties pretending this isn’t about voter fraud.
What voter fraud?bimboman wrote:c69 wrote:What are legal forms of id?backrow wrote:Wtf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178
I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.
I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.
Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.
Areas where voter ID has been trialed had voter cards issued , this of course wouldn’t be too difficult.
Laugh at the lefties pretending this isn’t about voter fraud.
Wouldn’t have a problem with a national ID, plenty of other countries have it - proof of ID doesn’t have to be a driving licence or passport which those poor disenfranchised people have to pay for , could be something they get for free like a NI card or tenancy document or even a JSA or benefits book.c69 wrote:What are legal forms of id?backrow wrote:Wtf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178
I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.
I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.
Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.
That you'll have to go out of your way to apply for. It's still going to be a barrier for a large number of people.bimboman wrote:AND-y wrote:Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.
Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.
I see - so Andy just being argumentative patronising prick then seeing as it doesn’t have to be a passport or driving licensenuffsaid wrote:I understand there will be a new free form of ID made available, which should be of general usefulness if you don’t have one of the currently available formats.AND-y wrote:Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.
ID cards by stealth?nuffsaid wrote:I understand there will be a new free form of ID made available, which should be of general usefulness if you don’t have one of the currently available formats.AND-y wrote:Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.
You're joking right?Margin_Walker wrote:That you'll have to go out of your way to apply for. It's still going to be a barrier for a large number of people.bimboman wrote:AND-y wrote:Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.
Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.
Now it's easy to say, that's thier fault. But making it harder to vote in such a sweeping way when there is such a low level of impersonation fraud just isn't the answer for me.
JM2K6 wrote:What voter fraud?bimboman wrote:c69 wrote:What are legal forms of id?backrow wrote:Wtf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178
I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.
I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.
Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.
Areas where voter ID has been trialed had voter cards issued , this of course wouldn’t be too difficult.
Laugh at the lefties pretending this isn’t about voter fraud.
And SloughGlaston wrote:Isnt Tower Hamlets rather renowned for it and some of the Brummie wards supposedly pretty dodgy?
No more than going out of your way to vote - spare me the bleeding heart sob story, anyone legal would already have some form of ID already so stop inventing barriers to add to corbyns already divisive language , he is just worried tower hamlets may not still be labour once the fraud is excludedMargin_Walker wrote:That you'll have to go out of your way to apply for. It's still going to be a barrier for a large number of people.bimboman wrote:AND-y wrote:Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.
Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.
Now it's easy to say, that's thier fault. But making it harder to vote in such a sweeping way when there is such a low level of impersonation fraud just isn't the answer for me.
Wanna show some receipts for that.bimboman wrote:JM2K6 wrote:What voter fraud?bimboman wrote:c69 wrote:What are legal forms of id?backrow wrote:Wtf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178
I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.
I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.
Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.
Areas where voter ID has been trialed had voter cards issued , this of course wouldn’t be too difficult.
Laugh at the lefties pretending this isn’t about voter fraud.
The voter fraud endemic through Labour rotten boroughs.
You already have to "go out of your way" to register.Margin_Walker wrote:That you'll have to go out of your way to apply for. It's still going to be a barrier for a large number of people.bimboman wrote:AND-y wrote:Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.
Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.
Now it's easy to say, that's thier fault. But making it harder to vote in such a sweeping way when there is such a low level of impersonation fraud just isn't the answer for me.
Right! Anyone who wants to have ID, will have ID. I can't believe the crap people make up.backrow wrote:No more than going out of your way to vote - spare me the bleeding heart sob story, anyone legal would already have some form of ID already so stop inventing barriers to add to corbyns already divisive language , he is just worried tower hamlets may not still be labour once the fraud is excludedMargin_Walker wrote:That you'll have to go out of your way to apply for. It's still going to be a barrier for a large number of people.bimboman wrote:AND-y wrote:Outside of your bubble there are people without driving licenses and passports.
Councils will issue photo ID for voting free of charge.
Now it's easy to say, that's thier fault. But making it harder to vote in such a sweeping way when there is such a low level of impersonation fraud just isn't the answer for me.
Just Google Rahman.unseenwork wrote:
Wanna show some receipts for that.
Free ID isn't free, below that you have to pay for the documents (such as a birth certificate) which allow you get to that ID in the first place.nuffsaid wrote:This is posturing nonsense from Corbyn as usual - he knows there will be new free forms of ID available. A much greater issue is the substantial number of people who do not even register to vote, but of course he is more interested in opposing sensible ideas than coming up with anything tangible. Tbf, his approach was the same when Labour were in power.
Legislation proposed says photo ID so, NI card, tenancy doc, JSA or benefits book all ruled out.backrow wrote:Wouldn’t have a problem with a national ID, plenty of other countries have it - proof of ID doesn’t have to be a driving licence or passport which those poor disenfranchised people have to pay for , could be something they get for free like a NI card or tenancy document or even a JSA or benefits book.c69 wrote:What are legal forms of id?backrow wrote:Wtf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178
I can only see it at discriminating against those who don’t have some legal form of ID, which is fair enough.
I did not think we had any mandated items of id tbh.
Passports if you travel abroad, not everyone does. Driving license if you drive, not everyone does.
For the record if you need id to vote then there should be a national id scheme.
Seeks fair to me.
Nobody is suggesting ability to pay for something should affect ability to vote , those who don’t have or won’t have interest to obtain some form of free ID probably have something to hide and shouldn’t really get a vote perhaps ?
yes been going on a while hereGlaston wrote:Isnt Tower Hamlets rather renowned for it and some of the Brummie wards supposedly pretty dodgy?
figures from the Electoral Commission show there were just 28 allegations of impersonation last year our of nearly 45 million votes in 2017 – or one case for every 1.6 million votes cast. Only one of these allegations resulted in a conviction.
Petros wrote:And SloughGlaston wrote:Isnt Tower Hamlets rather renowned for it and some of the Brummie wards supposedly pretty dodgy?
Isn't part of the issue with fraud voting is postal votes? Can't see ID resolving that issue.c69 wrote:Introduce a National Id scheme.
Problem sorted.
SamShark wrote:The great democrats, who care about real people and their votes, actually want to make voting more difficult to end a non existent problem.
What a surprise.
JM2K6 wrote:figures from the Electoral Commission show there were just 28 allegations of impersonation last year our of nearly 45 million votes in 2017 – or one case for every 1.6 million votes cast. Only one of these allegations resulted in a conviction.
Hyperbolic bullshitSamShark wrote:The great democrats, who care about real people and their votes, actually want to make voting more difficult to end a non existent problem.
What a surprise.
I always found it weird how lax the voting process is. They only ask your name and address. So you could go and cast a vote as anyone! And this is not an issue? Come on.JM2K6 wrote:There's a barrier to entry even with free voter IDs - it's an opportunity cost and one where the poorer you are, the harder it is. Offering them free is a good idea, but even so...
This isn't a made up problem. It's a fairly well known issue, given the USA has been fighting over this for a while. Studies show that poorer and disadvantaged people are less likely to have ID, less likely to be able to get ID, and less likely to vote as a result. There's also no actual problem that's being solved here.
So to sum up, voter ID:
1) Doesn't fix any real-world issue
2) Does have a disproportionate impact on the poor
Crime is indeed crime.bimboman wrote:JM2K6 wrote:figures from the Electoral Commission show there were just 28 allegations of impersonation last year our of nearly 45 million votes in 2017 – or one case for every 1.6 million votes cast. Only one of these allegations resulted in a conviction.
You’d never guess how many people smoke weed and don’t get prosecuted. Crime is crime.