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How Will You Vote
Conservative 29%  29%  [ 59 ]
Labour 17%  17%  [ 35 ]
Liberal 28%  28%  [ 58 ]
Green 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
Brexit Party 4%  4%  [ 9 ]
SNP 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
Plaid 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
DUP 2%  2%  [ 5 ]
UUP 1%  1%  [ 3 ]
Sinn Fein 7%  7%  [ 15 ]
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You've seen Labour's last manifesto? All of the union reform laws will be removed. Closed shop reintroduced, flying pickets made legal again. The whole lot.
And it may have passed you by, as we are both so young, but the reason for 3 day weeks and power cuts was the unions avowed intent of trying to bring down the democratically elected government of the day.

Nice. Here's hoping.

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You've seen Labour's last manifesto? All of the union reform laws will be removed. Closed shop reintroduced, flying pickets made legal again. The whole lot.
And it may have passed you by, as we are both so young, but the reason for 3 day weeks and power cuts was the unions avowed intent of trying to bring down the democratically elected government of the day.

Nice. Here's hoping.


So you hope for a Labour government so they can empower unions to bring down the Labour government.....


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Closed shops are illegal, as I believe are what were called flying pickets.
Not seen the proposed legislation to repeal this.
Don't agree with either tbh.


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c69 wrote:
Closed shops are illegal, as I believe are what were called flying pickets.


Too fucking right Flying Pickets should be illegal. A cappella is f**king hideous.


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Closed shops are illegal, as I believe are what were called flying pickets.


Too fucking right Flying Pickets should be illegal. A cappella is f**king hideous.

Tbh this has massive risen the level of politocal debate on this thread.


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Closed shops are illegal, as I believe are what were called flying pickets.


Too fucking right Flying Pickets should be illegal. A cappella is f**king hideous.

The Housemartins say "fuck off"


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Keith wrote:
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c69 wrote:
Closed shops are illegal, as I believe are what were called flying pickets.


Too fucking right Flying Pickets should be illegal. A cappella is f**king hideous.

The Housemartins say "fuck off"


4th best band with a link to Hull.


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c69 wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
c69 wrote:
Closed shops are illegal, as I believe are what were called flying pickets.


Too fucking right Flying Pickets should be illegal. A cappella is f**king hideous.

Tbh this has massive risen the level of politocal debate on this thread.


So would a finite number of monkeys randomly typing on a finite number of keyboards.


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A5D5E5 wrote:
Keith wrote:
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c69 wrote:
Closed shops are illegal, as I believe are what were called flying pickets.


Too fucking right Flying Pickets should be illegal. A cappella is f**king hideous.

The Housemartins say "fuck off"


4th best band with a link to Hull.



A beautiful south being number 1?


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bimboman wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
Keith wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
c69 wrote:
Closed shops are illegal, as I believe are what were called flying pickets.


Too fucking right Flying Pickets should be illegal. A cappella is f**king hideous.

The Housemartins say "fuck off"


4th best band with a link to Hull.



A beautiful south being number 1?


Spiders from Mars
Beautiful South (though of course there is a strong link with the Housemartins)
Fine young cannibals

Yes, this list does show exactly how hard I was trying to find any excuse to put other bands above the Housemartins and what a complete wasteland Hull is for decent music with the very notable exception of Mick Ronson.


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I think Paul Heston deserves a knighthood though I realise he’d not want it.


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c69 wrote:
Closed shops are illegal, as I believe are what were called flying pickets.
Not seen the proposed legislation to repeal this.
Don't agree with either tbh.


It was hidden but clear.

Labour manifesto 2017 wrote:
A Labour government will ensure
Britain abides by the global Labour
standards of the ILO conventions.


ilo wrote:
"secondary industrial action “is recognised
and protected as part of trade union freedom under ILO Convention No. 87"


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message #2527204 wrote:
c69 wrote:
Closed shops are illegal, as I believe are what were called flying pickets.
Not seen the proposed legislation to repeal this.
Don't agree with either tbh.


It was hidden but clear.

Labour manifesto 2017 wrote:
A Labour government will ensure
Britain abides by the global Labour
standards of the ILO conventions.


ilo wrote:
"secondary industrial action “is recognised
and protected as part of trade union freedom under ILO Convention No. 87"

ILO? :roll:


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Welsh conservative party released an election manifesto ,did not mention Wales at all , we know what we will be getting .


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Jimcardiff wrote:
Welsh conservative party released an election manifesto ,did not mention Wales at all , we know what we will be getting .


What did the call it ?

- England Lite
- I can't believe it's not England
- Yellow Pack England


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Jimcardiff wrote:
Welsh conservative party released an election manifesto ,did not mention Wales at all , we know what we will be getting .


No campaign for independence?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:05 am 
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S,all bits.

Some Tory's ex-wife blocked his re-election :lol:

Union's are telling Corbyn don't go for freedom of movement. It might f#ck Labour up north. I agree.

Corbyn say no Indy ref for 5 years or more. E.g. "Never".


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Oh and in response to BImbodicks claism earlier female MPs were standing down due to abuse:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... fter-abuse

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Figures suggest female MPs are retiring from parliament prematurely. Of the 58 politicians who have announced they will not stand again, 18 are women and 41 are men, which is roughly proportional to the current makeup of parliament.

However, since cohorts of retiring MPs usually reflect historical intakes, the expectation would be that the number of outgoing female parliamentarians would be lower.

Among Tory ranks, the female MPs stepping down are on average 10 years younger and have spent a decade less in parliament than retiring male MPs.


Diane Abbott speaks out on online abuse as female MPs step down
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The cabinet minister Nicky Morgan has said she will not be standing as a candidate, with one of her reasons being the abuse she has received. The former home secretary Amber Rudd is also among the moderate Tory MPs who have said they will not fight the election on 12 December.

Heidi Allen, the former Conservative MP who defected to the Liberal Democrats via Change UK, also said she would not stand, highlighting “the nastiness and intimidation that has become commonplace”.

Sam Smethers, the chief executive of the Fawcett Society, said it was extremely worrying that so many women were leaving parliament at the election and had cited “either the abuse they have received or the pressure it has put on their family life”.

“We have to confront the fact that our toxic politics is driving good women MPs away. In 2019 it is still a hostile environment for women,” she said, adding that the figures should particularly worry the Conservative party, where only one in five MPs are women. “I fear that we will see the number of women MPs fall after this election. We are going backwards,” said Smethers.


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Corbyn say no Indy ref for 5 years or more. E.g. "Never".

He’s either telling porkies or he genuinely doesn’t want the responsibility of power.


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The cynic in me says that the two kiwi influencer boys are well into their work........dropping grenades on websites everywhere......


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Oh and in response to BImbodicks claism earlier female MPs were standing down due to abuse:




When facts don’t work there’s always a guardian opinion to fall back on.


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Jimcardiff wrote:
Welsh conservative party released an election manifesto ,did not mention Wales at all , we know what we will be getting .

not just the tories. I've seen tory, labour, liberal and Brexit literature. not one mention of England at all.

cnuts, the lot of them.


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Jimcardiff wrote:
Welsh conservative party released an election manifesto ,did not mention Wales at all , we know what we will be getting .



Have you got a link to this manifesto, they’re not released yet and you’ve got a scoop.


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Corbyn say no Indy ref for 5 years or more. E.g. "Never".

He’s either telling porkies or he genuinely doesn’t want the responsibility of power.


I suspect, it's case of, he loves the idea of independence in principle, just not independence here. Alternatively he is a unionist scared shitless of f#cking up the UK and I doubt any English PM can influence the Scottish right now.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:04 am 
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merry! wrote:
Jimcardiff wrote:
Welsh conservative party released an election manifesto ,did not mention Wales at all , we know what we will be getting .

not just the tories. I've seen tory, labour, liberal and Brexit literature. not one mention of England at all.

cnuts, the lot of them.

All the Brexit Party stuff I saw at EU elections mentioned England all the time. Virtually every mail shot and TV interview. Agreed on the other Parties though re England.
I hope Wales goes the way of Scotland regarding wanting self governance. Tbh a proper Federal system would be much more workable and less London SE centric.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:22 am 
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c69 wrote:
merry! wrote:
Jimcardiff wrote:
Welsh conservative party released an election manifesto ,did not mention Wales at all , we know what we will be getting .

not just the tories. I've seen tory, labour, liberal and Brexit literature. not one mention of England at all.

cnuts, the lot of them.

All the Brexit Party stuff I saw at EU elections mentioned England all the time. Virtually every mail shot and TV interview. Agreed on the other Parties though re England.
I hope Wales goes the way of Scotland regarding wanting self governance. Tbh a proper Federal system would be much more workable and less London SE centric.

Republic of Cheshire. Could handle that.
Or how far back do we go to satisfy this need? Republic of West Mercia?


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c69 wrote:
merry! wrote:
Jimcardiff wrote:
Welsh conservative party released an election manifesto ,did not mention Wales at all , we know what we will be getting .

not just the tories. I've seen tory, labour, liberal and Brexit literature. not one mention of England at all.

cnuts, the lot of them.

All the Brexit Party stuff I saw at EU elections mentioned England all the time. Virtually every mail shot and TV interview. Agreed on the other Parties though re England.
I hope Wales goes the way of Scotland regarding wanting self governance. Tbh a proper Federal system would be much more workable and less London SE centric.

yup.

(with York as the capital, natch - roughly equidistant from London, Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast).


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:00 am 
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c69 wrote:
merry! wrote:
Jimcardiff wrote:
Welsh conservative party released an election manifesto ,did not mention Wales at all , we know what we will be getting .

not just the tories. I've seen tory, labour, liberal and Brexit literature. not one mention of England at all.

cnuts, the lot of them.

All the Brexit Party stuff I saw at EU elections mentioned England all the time. Virtually every mail shot and TV interview. Agreed on the other Parties though re England.
I hope Wales goes the way of Scotland regarding wanting self governance. Tbh a proper Federal system would be much more workable and less London SE centric.



You were living in England you absolute fat melt.


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I was thinking Manchester tbh, certainly not somewhere like dirty Leeds.
Whatever the fcek happens in this election we will be being governed by clueless out of touch donkeys.
Both major Parties are a shambles and not fit to Govern imho natch.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:11 am 
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I was thinking Manchester tbh, certainly not somewhere like dirty Leeds.
Whatever the fcek happens in this election we will be being governed by clueless out of touch donkeys.
Both major Parties are a shambles and not fit to Govern imho natch.

Manchester, leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield would never agree. whereas York is an ancient city worthy of the title. it's crowned roman emperors, been the seat of Viking kings, was decisive in the civil war (Scottish covenanters were also there), etc, etc.. the history of York is as much the history of these islands as anywhere.

you're right about the donkeys in parliament. almost time for a Cromwellian figure to clear the place out. I guess that's what boris is trying to do. hail, boris! ;)


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merry! wrote:
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I was thinking Manchester tbh, certainly not somewhere like dirty Leeds.
Whatever the fcek happens in this election we will be being governed by clueless out of touch donkeys.
Both major Parties are a shambles and not fit to Govern imho natch.

Manchester, leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield would never agree. whereas York is an ancient city worthy of the title. it's crowned roman emperors, been the seat of Viking kings, was decisive in the civil war (Scottish covenanters were also there), etc, etc.. the history of York is as much the history of these islands as anywhere.

you're right about the donkeys in parliament. almost time for a Cromwellian figure to clear the place out. I guess that's what boris is trying to do. hail, boris! ;)

York's nice but with one major setback - it's full of Yorkshire people.


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c69 wrote:
I was thinking Manchester tbh, certainly not somewhere like dirty Leeds.
Whatever the fcek happens in this election we will be being governed by clueless out of touch donkeys.
Both major Parties are a shambles and not fit to Govern imho natch.


Manchester - pfft. They've already got a Mayor in that gutless scouser Andy Burnham


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merry! wrote:
c69 wrote:
I was thinking Manchester tbh, certainly not somewhere like dirty Leeds.
Whatever the fcek happens in this election we will be being governed by clueless out of touch donkeys.
Both major Parties are a shambles and not fit to Govern imho natch.

Manchester, leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield would never agree. whereas York is an ancient city worthy of the title. it's crowned roman emperors, been the seat of Viking kings, was decisive in the civil war (Scottish covenanters were also there), etc, etc.. the history of York is as much the history of these islands as anywhere.

you're right about the donkeys in parliament. almost time for a Cromwellian figure to clear the place out. I guess that's what boris is trying to do. hail, boris! ;)

York's nice but with one major setback - it's full of Yorkshire people.

'appen.

(as Yorkshire exile would have said)


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It's their labour and they should have the right to withdraw it.


Yes they do, the companies and people who pay for and Receive a service have every right to buy in other more willing Labour.


This is your most absurd false equivalence yet. Congratulations.


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merry! wrote:
c69 wrote:
merry! wrote:
Jimcardiff wrote:
Welsh conservative party released an election manifesto ,did not mention Wales at all , we know what we will be getting .

not just the tories. I've seen tory, labour, liberal and Brexit literature. not one mention of England at all.

cnuts, the lot of them.

All the Brexit Party stuff I saw at EU elections mentioned England all the time. Virtually every mail shot and TV interview. Agreed on the other Parties though re England.
I hope Wales goes the way of Scotland regarding wanting self governance. Tbh a proper Federal system would be much more workable and less London SE centric.

yup.

(with York as the capital, natch - roughly equidistant from London, Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast).

London Is big enough to be a city state, within the EU. Let the brexity regions/nations enjoy their brexity sovereignty unshackled by badass London or the EU. Edinburgh could embellish London's financial services pre-eminence quite well too if it so chose.


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Sadly this creative thinking is largely fantasy, though it would be tremendously ironic if the outcome of rejecting a part in a federal Europe was to move in such a marked direction towards the model of federal Germany


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You’ve got to admire the logic that says leaving the EU is a folly because in a modern world Britain is too small and that you also want to break up the UK because Britain is too large.


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4th best band with a link to Hull.



A beautiful south being number 1?


Spiders from Mars
Beautiful South (though of course there is a strong link with the Housemartins)
Fine young cannibals

Yes, this list does show exactly how hard I was trying to find any excuse to put other bands above the Housemartins and what a complete wasteland Hull is for decent music with the very notable exception of Mick Ronson.


The Hull Daily Mail has Spiders from Mars at No. 1 in their top 10

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife/ten-best-bands-come-out-70594


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