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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:32 pm 
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naki wrote:
I think Groucho has whooshed quite a sizeable population himself here


Actually, it's a repeated claim throughout history with some primary/secondary sources (i.e. he didn't just make it up himself). However, it's fairly obviously an inflated number as there simply wasn't that many people in that region.


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Jeff the Bear wrote:
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I think Groucho has whooshed quite a sizeable population himself here


Actually, it's a repeated claim throughout history with some primary/secondary sources (i.e. he didn't just make it up himself). However, it's fairly obviously an inflated number as there simply wasn't that many people in that region.


Yes, as with the other examples he used that’s surely his point; the tendency towards using oft-repeated but not necessarily accurate statistics?


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Anyway, more fun with ages:

- The founding of Oxford University predates the Aztec empire by 200 years
- Less time separates us from Cleopatra than she was to the building of the great pyramids at Giza.
- And, on an even greater scale, less time separates us from T-Rex, than the T-Rex was to the stegosaurus.


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troglodiet wrote:
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The orgasm of a pig lasts thirty minutes.

Thirty minutes. Can you believe it?


During mating season, a male lion will shag a 100 times per day, for 5 days in a row.


Question is: quality over quantity?


Yes but only for 17 seconds...


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FairWeather_Aussie wrote:
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6.Jones wrote:
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Pope Benedict IX was eleven years old on his ascension to the throne of St Peter.
At Nishapur, in 1221, Genghis Khan killed 1,748,000 people in a single hour.
The orgasm of a pig lasts thirty minutes.

Thirty minutes. Can you believe it?


What utter bollocks


That would have had Nishapurs’ population being about 7% of the worlds population at the time! In the real world the population would have been a 10th to a 100th of that, and the massacre occurred over 10 days, not 1 hour.

Don’t trust Groucho with numbers.


It also means killing 29,133 people per minute, which frankly would be pants now, let alone then


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:41 pm 
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Jeff the Bear wrote:
Anyway, more fun with ages:

- The founding of Oxford University predates the Aztec empire by 200 years
- Less time separates us from Cleopatra than she was to the building of the great pyramids at Giza.
- And, on an even greater scale, less time separates us from T-Rex, than the T-Rex was to the stegosaurus.


That last one was a real "WOW" moment when I first read that Stegosaurus was already a fossil by the time of T-Rex in one of my son's dinosaur books,


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“ And what of the dead? I own that I thought of myself, at times, almost as dead. Are they not locked below ground in chambers smaller than mine was, in their millions of millions? There is no category of human activity in which the dead do not outnumber the living many times over. Most beautiful children are dead. Most soldiers, most cowards. The fairest women and the most learned men – all are dead. Their bodies repose in caskets, in sarcophagi, beneath arches of rude stone, everywhere under the earth. Their spirits haunt our minds, ears pressed to the bones of our foreheads. Who can say how intently they listen as we speak, or for what word? ”


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A5D5E5 wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
Anyway, more fun with ages:

- The founding of Oxford University predates the Aztec empire by 200 years
- Less time separates us from Cleopatra than she was to the building of the great pyramids at Giza.
- And, on an even greater scale, less time separates us from T-Rex, than the T-Rex was to the stegosaurus.


That last one was a real "WOW" moment when I first read that Stegosaurus was already a fossil by the time of T-Rex in one of my son's dinosaur books,

Imagine the T-Rex calling the Stegosaurus dinosaurs.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:25 am 
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Ah yes, but what about if Jehovah created the fossil record in 11 August 3114 BC, along with the rest of the world?


I choose to believe that Jehovah made the earth 1 second ago, complete with our memories, so there are no dead...except those who died in the time it took me to write this nonsense.


Lies. We all live in a simulation and aren't even alive in the classical sense. So there are no dead people. Get it right man. Sheesh.


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Jeff the Bear wrote:
Anyway, more fun with ages:

- The founding of Oxford University predates the Aztec empire by 200 years
- Less time separates us from Cleopatra than she was to the building of the great pyramids at Giza.
- And, on an even greater scale, less time separates us from T-Rex, than the T-Rex was to the stegosaurus.

:thumbup:

Some more numbers for you, Jeffrey.

- 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the US
- That's the third highest cause of death (beating out repiratory disease and cigarettes)

For much of human history, medical practice killed more people than it saved.

What year did that change?: show
Sometime in the 1920s*

So probably less than a hundred years ago.

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** and could be b.s.


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I think that is a bit vague though. For example, 150 years ago something as routine as appendicitis was a death sentence. So of course they would try and cut it out. A 1% chance of living is better than no chance.


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sorCrer wrote:
troglodiet wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
The orgasm of a pig lasts thirty minutes.

Thirty minutes. Can you believe it?


During mating season, a male lion will shag a 100 times per day, for 5 days in a row.


Question is: quality over quantity?


Yes but only for 17 seconds...




And I've come close to that 17 seconds mark myself a couple of times in my life.

Have to include foreplay though, otherwise my time would be less impressive.


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FairWeather_Aussie wrote:
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6.Jones wrote:
More numbers:

Pope Benedict IX was eleven years old on his ascension to the throne of St Peter.
At Nishapur, in 1221, Genghis Khan killed 1,748,000 people in a single hour.
The orgasm of a pig lasts thirty minutes.

Thirty minutes. Can you believe it?


What utter bollocks


That would have had Nishapurs’ population being about 7% of the worlds population at the time! In the real world the population would have been a 10th to a 100th of that, and the massacre occurred over 10 days, not 1 hour.

Don’t trust Groucho with numbers.

Correct. Apart from the pig orgasm, I suspect all those numbers to be made up. Not by me though. ;) I'm surprised none of the history buffs jumped on the Pope Benedict IX factoid.

The pig orgasm sounds feasible, but requires testing.


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As usual I was right and dumbass Jeff was wrong, in your face Jeff


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:52 am 
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6.Jones wrote:
Lord Denning wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
More numbers:

Pope Benedict IX was eleven years old on his ascension to the throne of St Peter.
At Nishapur, in 1221, Genghis Khan killed 1,748,000 people in a single hour.
The orgasm of a pig lasts thirty minutes.

Thirty minutes. Can you believe it?

And there is, at least in classical physics, a calculable shortest distance - the Planck distance. No distance can be smaller. I find that particularly weird in a sea of weird and hard to imagine physics.

Small physics is spooky as hell. Planck time as well. The ticking of the universe.


Ring singularity :shock:


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RuggaBugga wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
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6.Jones wrote:
More numbers:

Pope Benedict IX was eleven years old on his ascension to the throne of St Peter.
At Nishapur, in 1221, Genghis Khan killed 1,748,000 people in a single hour.
The orgasm of a pig lasts thirty minutes.

Thirty minutes. Can you believe it?

And there is, at least in classical physics, a calculable shortest distance - the Planck distance. No distance can be smaller. I find that particularly weird in a sea of weird and hard to imagine physics.

Small physics is spooky as hell. Planck time as well. The ticking of the universe.


Ring singularity :shock:

I had to Google that. What a cool thing.


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Okay, Euler's identity. When I was a sprog studying arithmetic there was one fact that made me leap back in surprise.

e^pi = −1

What. The. Fcuk? How can that be? How can e [the unique number whose natural logarithm is equal to one] be related to pi [we all know what pi is] in that way. Is God playing tricks with us here? Thankfully, I found I wasn't alone in that response.

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Admittedly, you have to be some kind of nerd.


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6.Jones wrote:
Okay, Euler's identity. When I was a sprog studying arithmetic there was one fact that made me leap back in surprise.

e^pi = −1

What. The. Fcuk? How can that be? How can e [the unique number whose natural logarithm is equal to one] be related to pi [we all know what pi is] in that way. Is God playing tricks with us here? Thankfully, I found I wasn't alone in that response.

Image

Admittedly, you have to be some kind of nerd.


Do you ever watch 3 Blue 1 Brown on youtube? If not, I heartily recommend doing so. His ability to explain the links between seemingly disparate mathematical concepts is truly astounding. His video on Euler's identity and group theory is a good example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvmuCPvRoWQ

But this one about the digits of pi appearing in in the number of collisions between two blocks and a wall is :shock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEfHFsfGXjs


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But this one about the digits of pi appearing in in the number of collisions between two blocks and a wall is :shock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEfHFsfGXjs


Ah, that's worth the price of admission to this thread! :thumbup:


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6.Jones wrote:
FairWeather_Aussie wrote:
Dark wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
More numbers:

Pope Benedict IX was eleven years old on his ascension to the throne of St Peter.
At Nishapur, in 1221, Genghis Khan killed 1,748,000 people in a single hour.
The orgasm of a pig lasts thirty minutes.

Thirty minutes. Can you believe it?


What utter bollocks


That would have had Nishapurs’ population being about 7% of the worlds population at the time! In the real world the population would have been a 10th to a 100th of that, and the massacre occurred over 10 days, not 1 hour.

Don’t trust Groucho with numbers.


Correct. Apart from the pig orgasm, I suspect all those numbers to be made up. Not by me though. ;) I'm surprised none of the history buffs jumped on the Pope Benedict IX factoid.

The pig orgasm sounds feasible, but requires testing.


I would mind just lasting 30 minutes at the sex thing, let alone the the orgasm.

According to a survey, Australian men have the 4th highest duration of sex

“Across the entire surveyed age range, Australian's are above the international average, especially at age 45 and above, at 16 minutes and 34 seconds.”


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Another thing we are better than the kiwis at.


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FairWeather_Aussie wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
FairWeather_Aussie wrote:
Dark wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
More numbers:

Pope Benedict IX was eleven years old on his ascension to the throne of St Peter.
At Nishapur, in 1221, Genghis Khan killed 1,748,000 people in a single hour.
The orgasm of a pig lasts thirty minutes.

Thirty minutes. Can you believe it?


What utter bollocks


That would have had Nishapurs’ population being about 7% of the worlds population at the time! In the real world the population would have been a 10th to a 100th of that, and the massacre occurred over 10 days, not 1 hour.

Don’t trust Groucho with numbers.


Correct. Apart from the pig orgasm, I suspect all those numbers to be made up. Not by me though. ;) I'm surprised none of the history buffs jumped on the Pope Benedict IX factoid.

The pig orgasm sounds feasible, but requires testing.


I would mind just lasting 30 minutes at the sex thing, let alone the the orgasm.

According to a survey, Australian men have the 4th highest duration of sex

“Across the entire surveyed age range, Australian's are above the international average, especially at age 45 and above, at 16 minutes and 34 seconds.”

There's a story behind the numbers I posted. I like to write fiction for a hobby. Some years ago, I wrote a thing, about three ghosts holed up in a room above a rave. It was about what's real, and those numbers are the opening lines.

GHOST
There’s safety in numbers, so let’s have some numbers.
Pope Benedict IX was eleven years old on his ascension to the throne of St Peter. At Nishapur, in 1221, Genghis Khan killed 1,748,000 people in a single hour. The orgasm of a pig lasts thirty minutes.
Thirty minutes. Can you believe it?
(Pauses.)
Oh yes, I may be dead, but I’m smart.


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FairWeather_Aussie wrote:
Another thing we are better than the kiwis at.


Our women are so notoriously hot that we bust quickly.


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naki wrote:
FairWeather_Aussie wrote:
Another thing we are better than the kiwis at.


Our women are so notoriously hot that we bust quickly.


I’d reckon I could go hours, if at all.


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Apparently the Mormon Church maintains the most comprehensive data base of the population, past and present.


You might be amused, or something, to learn that you have, in all likelihood, been baptised by the buggers, and so have all your ancestors.


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Apparently the Mormon Church maintains the most comprehensive data base of the population, past and present.


You might be amused, or something, to learn that you have, in all likelihood, been baptised by the buggers, and so have all your ancestors.

Is baptism a first come, first served thing? They have our souls?


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Is baptism a first come, first served thing? They have our souls?




I do not pretend to know very much about their theology. However, they did come under pretty sustained attack in the US when it was revealed that they were baptising victims of the Holocaust.


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I have lost count of the number of idiots I’ve had to school with the ‘more people alive today than ever lives’ claim. It’s actually a very good indicator of misplaced belief of intelligence along with any of these statements..

You could fit the whole world on the Isle of White
The average person swallows 8 spiders whilst sleeping in their lifetime
In the Southern Henisphere toilets flush the other way due to the Coriolus effect
Eating increases the risk of cramping while swimming
You’re never more than 6ft from a rat
The Great Wall of China is the only man made object visible from Space
You only use 10% of your brain
Should never wake someone sleepwalking - it’s dangerous
It’s illegal to have chewing gum in Singapore and is punishable by cane.
Talking of chewing gum if you swallow it stays in your digestive system for 7 years
Your hair and nails keep growing when you die


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I have lost count of the number of idiots I’ve had to school with the ‘more people alive today than ever lives’ claim. It’s actually a very good indicator of misplaced belief of intelligence along with any of these statements..

You could fit the whole world on the Isle of White
The average person swallows 8 spiders whilst sleeping in their lifetime
In the Southern Henisphere toilets flush the other way due to the Coriolus effect
Eating increases the risk of cramping while swimming
You’re never more than 6ft from a rat
The Great Wall of China is the only man made object visible from Space
You only use 10% of your brain
Should never wake someone sleepwalking - it’s dangerous
It’s illegal to have chewing gum in Singapore and is punishable by cane.
Talking of chewing gum if you swallow it stays in your digestive system for 7 years
Your hair and nails keep growing when you die

Salt is the sweetest thing.
According to the laws of physics a bumblebee can't fly.
Apple pips take root in your stomach and if you eat them a tree will start growing inside you.
If everyone in China jumped on the spot at the same time the world would spin out of orbit/split/explode.
Rearing children as bi/tri lingual is bad for them.
You can catch syphilis from a toilet seat.
If you jump up and down after sex you won't get pregnant - that last one is true for me.
My mother in law has said over half of the above to me - not the bilingual one mind.


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I have lost count of the number of idiots I’ve had to school with the ‘more people alive today than ever lives’ claim. It’s actually a very good indicator of misplaced belief of intelligence along with any of these statements..

You could fit the whole world on the Isle of White
The average person swallows 8 spiders whilst sleeping in their lifetime
In the Southern Henisphere toilets flush the other way due to the Coriolus effect
Eating increases the risk of cramping while swimming
You’re never more than 6ft from a rat
The Great Wall of China is the only man made object visible from Space
You only use 10% of your brain
Should never wake someone sleepwalking - it’s dangerous
It’s illegal to have chewing gum in Singapore and is punishable by cane.
Talking of chewing gum if you swallow it stays in your digestive system for 7 years
Your hair and nails keep growing when you die

Salt is the sweetest thing.
According to the laws of physics a bumblebee can't fly.
Apple pips take root in your stomach and if you eat them a tree will start growing inside you.
If everyone in China jumped on the spot at the same time the world would spin out of orbit/split/explode.
Rearing children as bi/tri lingual is bad for them.
You can catch syphilis from a toilet seat.
If you jump up and down after sex you won't get pregnant - that last one is true for me.
My mother in law has said over half of the above to me - not the bilingual one mind.


I don’t think I have ever heard any from the second list ever said. I’ve heard most of the first. I’ll admit I was of of the impression that prior to the Millennium Dome, The Great Wall of China was the only man made object visible from space. I guess it depends on how far and at what pixelation.


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FairWeather_Aussie wrote:
Another thing we are better than the kiwis at.

Lying you mean??


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Openside wrote:
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Another thing we are better than the kiwis at.

Lying you mean??


Yep probably.


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FairWeather_Aussie wrote:
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HKCJ wrote:
I have lost count of the number of idiots I’ve had to school with the ‘more people alive today than ever lives’ claim. It’s actually a very good indicator of misplaced belief of intelligence along with any of these statements..

You could fit the whole world on the Isle of White
The average person swallows 8 spiders whilst sleeping in their lifetime
In the Southern Henisphere toilets flush the other way due to the Coriolus effect
Eating increases the risk of cramping while swimming
You’re never more than 6ft from a rat
The Great Wall of China is the only man made object visible from Space
You only use 10% of your brain
Should never wake someone sleepwalking - it’s dangerous
It’s illegal to have chewing gum in Singapore and is punishable by cane.
Talking of chewing gum if you swallow it stays in your digestive system for 7 years
Your hair and nails keep growing when you die

Salt is the sweetest thing.
According to the laws of physics a bumblebee can't fly.
Apple pips take root in your stomach and if you eat them a tree will start growing inside you.
If everyone in China jumped on the spot at the same time the world would spin out of orbit/split/explode.
Rearing children as bi/tri lingual is bad for them.
You can catch syphilis from a toilet seat.
If you jump up and down after sex you won't get pregnant - that last one is true for me.
My mother in law has said over half of the above to me - not the bilingual one mind.


I don’t think I have ever heard any from the second list ever said. I’ve heard most of the first. I’ll admit I was of of the impression that prior to the Millennium Dome, The Great Wall of China was the only man made object visible from space. I guess it depends on how far and at what pixelation.


Also the eating before swimming causes stomach cramps. I’ve had food induced stomach cramps while running. I would have thought it is the same when swimming.


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I have lost count of the number of idiots I’ve had to school with the ‘more people alive today than ever lives’ claim. It’s actually a very good indicator of misplaced belief of intelligence along with any of these statements..

You could fit the whole world on the Isle of White
The average person swallows 8 spiders whilst sleeping in their lifetime
In the Southern Henisphere toilets flush the other way due to the Coriolus effect
Eating increases the risk of cramping while swimming
You’re never more than 6ft from a rat
The Great Wall of China is the only man made object visible from Space
You only use 10% of your brain
Should never wake someone sleepwalking - it’s dangerous
It’s illegal to have chewing gum in Singapore and is punishable by cane.
Talking of chewing gum if you swallow it stays in your digestive system for 7 years
Your hair and nails keep growing when you die


I’ve not heard the first one, you could fit the worlds population on the Isle of Wight. Isle of Wight is 380 square km’s, or 380 million square meters. Assuming you can fit 10 people per square meter then you could fit over half the worlds population on it. If you laid them down sardines style and stacked them, you probably could fit all of them. Although it might be a public relations nightmare.


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FairWeather_Aussie wrote:
HKCJ wrote:
I have lost count of the number of idiots I’ve had to school with the ‘more people alive today than ever lives’ claim. It’s actually a very good indicator of misplaced belief of intelligence along with any of these statements..

You could fit the whole world on the Isle of White
The average person swallows 8 spiders whilst sleeping in their lifetime
In the Southern Henisphere toilets flush the other way due to the Coriolus effect
Eating increases the risk of cramping while swimming
You’re never more than 6ft from a rat
The Great Wall of China is the only man made object visible from Space
You only use 10% of your brain
Should never wake someone sleepwalking - it’s dangerous
It’s illegal to have chewing gum in Singapore and is punishable by cane.
Talking of chewing gum if you swallow it stays in your digestive system for 7 years
Your hair and nails keep growing when you die


I’ve not heard the first one, you could fit the worlds population on the Isle of Wight. Isle of Wight is 380 square km’s, or 380 million square meters. Assuming you can fit 10 people per square meter then you could fit over half the worlds population on it. If you laid them down sardines style and stacked them, you probably could fit all of them. Although it might be a public relations nightmare.

It'd be the Isle of Wong.


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“Modern” Homo sapiens (that is, people who were roughly like we are now) first walked the Earth about 50,000 years ago. Since then, more than 108 billion members of our species have ever been born, according to estimates by Population Reference Bureau (PRB). Given the current global population of about 7.5 billion (based on our most recent estimate as of mid-2017), that means those of us currently alive represent about 7 percent of the total number of humans who have ever lived.


I still reckon we can take them. Who’s with me?


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“Modern” Homo sapiens (that is, people who were roughly like we are now) first walked the Earth about 50,000 years ago. Since then, more than 108 billion members of our species have ever been born, according to estimates by Population Reference Bureau (PRB). Given the current global population of about 7.5 billion (based on our most recent estimate as of mid-2017), that means those of us currently alive represent about 7 percent of the total number of humans who have ever lived.


I still reckon we can take them. Who’s with me?

I'm in as long as they stay dead.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:35 pm 
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6.Jones wrote:
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Insane_Homer wrote:
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“Modern” Homo sapiens (that is, people who were roughly like we are now) first walked the Earth about 50,000 years ago. Since then, more than 108 billion members of our species have ever been born, according to estimates by Population Reference Bureau (PRB). Given the current global population of about 7.5 billion (based on our most recent estimate as of mid-2017), that means those of us currently alive represent about 7 percent of the total number of humans who have ever lived.


I still reckon we can take them. Who’s with me?

I'm in as long as they stay dead.


I’m a bit of a ‘fraidy cat. But as long as there is no walking dead shit going on, I’ll volunteer.


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Well I assume the three of us have seen a enough zombie films to know how this shit works. I trusting you two.


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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-living-outnumber-dead/
I often think when we have thread discussions that I am in the minority - nothing wrong with that, it fits in with my delusions of grandeur- and while walking the dog, and mulling this over, I sardonically thought that at least when I die I will be in the majority, but then I remembered a 'fact' from younger days that those alive outnumber the dead, and I think could be proved mathematically - well thank God for Google, looks as if the question has been settled.


This is one of the strangest urban myths ever. Our deceased grand-parents, or great grand-parents, alone cover over half our population. Given we’ve been around for about 60,000 years, or around 3,000 generations, it’s not hard to deduce that we have a lot more ancestors than the current population.


I know, it's f**king mental. I can only imagine some wag thought it would be funny to start a rumour.


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