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Players invited to the three camps (bold = 3rd camp. Final group, excl Cheetahs?)

Beast Mtawarira Prop Cell C Sharks
Coenie Oosthuizen Prop Cell C Sharks
Frans Malherbe Prop DHL Stormers

Lizo Gqoboka Prop Vodacom Bulls
Ox Nche Prop Toyota Cheetahs
Ruan Dreyer Prop Emirates Lions
Thomas du Toit Prop Cell C Sharks
Trevor Nyakane Prop Vodacom Bulls
Wilco Louw Prop DHL Stormers

Armand van der Merwe Hooker Emirates Lions
Bongi Mbonambi Hooker DHL Stormers
Chiliboy Ralepelle Hooker Cell C Sharks

Joseph Dweba Hooker Toyota Cheetahs
Malcolm Marx Hooker Emirates Lions

Eben Etzebeth Lock DHL Stormers
Etienne Oosthuizen Lock Cell C Sharks
Franco Mostert Lock Emirates Lions
Lood de Jager Lock Vodacom Bulls
Pieter-Steph du Toit Lock DHL Stormers

RG Snyman Lock Vodacom Bulls
Ruan Botha Lock Cell C Sharks

Andisa Ntsila Flank Southern Kings
Chris Cloete Flank Southern Kings
Jaco Kriel Flank Emirates Lions
Jean-Luc du Preez Flank Cell C Sharks

Oupa Mohoje Flank Toyota Cheetahs
Siya Kolisi Flank DHL Stormers
Uzair Cassiem Flank Toyota Cheetahs
Ruan Ackermann Loose forward Emirates Lions

Lubabalo Mtembu No 8 Cell C Sharks
Warren Whiteley No 8 Emirates Lions
Hanro Liebenberg Number 8 Vodacom Bulls
Nizaam Carr Number 8 DHL Stormers
Sikhumbuzo Notshe Number 8 DHL Stormers

Cobus Reinach Scrumhalf Cell C Sharks
Dewaldt Duvenage Scrumhalf DHL Stormers
Faf de Klerk Scrumhalf Emirates Lions
Jano Vermaak Scrumhalf DHL Stormers
Piet van Zyl Scrumhalf Vodacom Bulls
Rudy Page Scrumhalf Vodacom Bulls
Shaun Venter Scrumhalf Toyota Cheetahs
Ross Cronje Scrumhalf Emirates Lions

Elton Jantjies Flyhalf Emirates Lions
Fred Zeilinga Flyhalf Toyota Cheetahs
Handré Pollard Flyhalf Vodacom Bulls
Jean-Luc du Plessis Flyhalf DHL Stormers
Lionel Cronje Flyhalf Southern Kings
Pat Lambie Flyhalf Cell C Sharks

Curwin Bosch Flyhalf/Fullback Cell C Sharks

Damian de Allende Centre DHL Stormers
EW Viljoen Centre DHL Stormers
Francois Venter Centre Toyota Cheetahs
Harold Vorster Centre Emirates Lions
Jan Serfontein Centre Vodacom Bulls
Lionel Mapoe Centre Emirates Lions

Lukhanyo Am Centre Cell C Sharks
Rohan Janse van Rensburg Centre Emirates Lions

Courtnall Skosan Wing Emirates Lions
Dillyn Leyds Wing DHL Stormers

Jamba Ulengo Wing Vodacom Bulls
Kobus van Wyk Wing Cell C Sharks
Lwazi Mvovo Wing Cell C Sharks
Makazole Mapimpi Wing Southern Kings
Raymond Rhule Wing Toyota Cheetahs
Ruan Combrinck Wing Emirates Lions
Seabelo Senatla Wing DHL Stormers
Sergeal Petersen Wing Toyota Cheetahs
Travis Ismaiel Wing Vodacom Bulls

Andries Coetzee Fullback Emirates Lions
Clayton Blommetjies Fullback Toyota Cheetahs
Jesse Kriel Fullback Vodacom Bulls
Warrick Gelant Fullback Vodacom Bulls

Some interesting omissions in the last group although some are just coming back from injury:

Rudy Paige, Ruan Combrinck, Seabello Senatla, Handre Pollard

Players going overseas dropped - Etienne Oosthuizen, Faf de Klerk, Cobus Reinach

Overseas based players and Cheetahs to be added.


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Decent list there. :thumbup:


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The last Bok team (vs Wales in 2016)

South Africa
1 Tendai Mtawarira
2 Adriaan Strauss (Captain) - Retired
3 Lourens Adriaanse - Not at Bok camps
4 Pieter-Steph du Toit
5 Lood de Jager
6 Nizaam Carr - Not invited to 3rd Bok camp
7 Uzair Cassiem
8 Warren Whiteley
9 Faf de Klerk - Going overseas, not at last two Bok camps
10 Elton Jantjies
11 Jamba Ulengo - Not invited to 3rd Bok camp
12 Rohan Janse van Rensburg - Out injured
13 Francois Venter
14 Ruan Combrinck - Not invited to 3rd Bok camp
15 Johan Goosen - Retired
RESERVES

16 Malcolm Marx
17 Steven Kitshoff
18 Trevor Nyakane
19 Franco Mostert
20 Jean-Luc du Preez
21 Piet van Zyl - Not invited to 3rd Bok camp
22 Patrick Lambie - Injured?
23 Lionel Mapoe


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At least Allister Coetzee broke off his relative silence and seemingly low profile of recent times to make a frank confession early this week.

“I can honestly say that there are still a number of positions up for grabs,” the Springbok coach said in the official release accompanying revelation of a latest, 39-strong training group ahead of the June home series against France.

Boy, he is not wrong.

Once again, little can be read into selections given the generous, hedge-your-bets number of attendees to the camp in Johannesburg from Sunday to Tuesday, including known injured customers, plus the exclusion under World Rugby stipulations yet of any overseas-based candidates Coetzee may fancy, and also absence of personnel from the porous Cheetahs (currently touring New Zealand).

Hardly helping is that the collective South African challenge in Super Rugby 2017 flatters to deceive once more, with the Lions lone, suitably consistent winners as was the case last year - when players from that franchise also only complicated matters by generally not replicating in national colours the verve and appetite shown one tier down.

This major head-scratcher lingers for Coetzee: should I put as much - or even more - faith in clearly in-form Lions standouts, all over again? Should I pursue with greater vigour a playing template closer to the style they know and clearly cherish? And could their players adapt acceptably enough to a more conservative, Bok “traditional strengths” pattern, if that’s what I opt for?

So that’s one hot potato ... amidst a greater pile of scalding spuds, if you like, as the time draws ominously close for the national coach to show his 31-strong final squad hand, next Tuesday, for the three Tests against the physical French, third-placed in the 2017 Six Nations.

The Boks reeled during Coetzee’s first season in charge, becoming the first in more commonly proud green-and-gold history to lose eight times in a calendar year.

In that context, have there been any tangible signs of fog clearing in time for the various 2017 challenges?

I would argue, regrettably, that as things stand the pea-souper has only thickened.

In happier and more productive times, after all, one of the first things you might be inclined to do is take a yardstick from your selections, say, for the final game of the previous Test campaign as you weigh up how to assemble your first XV (and almost as importantly these days full match-day 23) of a new season.

Yet the Boks of 2016 really only ended that year as they started it: all at sea tactically and with questions eclipsing answers in so many positions on the park.

Here, as an uncomfortable reminder, was the starting line-up when they put 2016 mercifully to bed, losing by a clear-cut 27-13 to Wales (later to end an innocuous fifth in the Six Nations) at the Millennium Stadium: 15 Johan Goosen, 14 Ruan Combrinck, 13 Francois Venter, 12 Rohan Janse van Rensburg, 11 Jamba Ulengo, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Uzair Cassiem, 6 Nizaam Carr, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 3 Lourens Adriaanse, 2 Adriaan Strauss (capt), 1 Tendai Mtawarira.

Of those, there are several you can almost certainly rule out from any immediate retention hopes automatically for game one against France at Loftus on June 10.

Utility back Goosen controversially retired aged just 24 at the end of last year, amidst threats of legal action for alleged breach of contract by his French club Racing 92, wing Combrinck has made a much slower-than-expected recovery from shoulder surgery, barrelling inside centre Janse van Rensburg is out for several months with knee ligament problems, scrumhalf De Klerk out of favour and seemingly overseas-bound, whilst captain and seasoned hooker Strauss has retired from the international landscape.

And which of the other, fit members of that run-on side would you say are in vintage Super Rugby form, with renewed Bok honours written all over them?

Midfielder Venter leads a Cheetahs team that plays some effervescent rugby but leaks tries (currently more than five a game) like there is no tomorrow in a just-as-cavalier disregard for defensive principles.

Lanky one-cap wing Ulengo has suffered along with the broader demise of the once-mighty Bulls this season, Jantjies remains a massive enigma - can he play vibrant rugby and look at peace with the world for any team but the Lions? - and Carr simply is no longer an attractive option as a fetcher-type flank (he has been mostly at No 8 with on-and-off success for the Stormers).

The respectable enough blindsider against Wales, Cassiem, is just feeling his way back into Super Rugby - most often as a Cheetahs sub recently - after several weeks out with a knee injury, while that lengthy Bok banker at loosehead, Mtawarira, is also short of best mojo.

He and prop-mate Coenie Oosthuizen (also still part of the extended early SA mix in 2017) were a bit gallingly banished to the Sharks bench shortly after halftime on Saturday as the under-rated Kings eight got some concerted set-piece shoves on, en route to a famous derby win in Port Elizabeth.

Still, one thing almost inadvertently in “Beast’s” favour is that he sports necessary experience and longevity, and that is something that has been far less widespread a phenomenon in Coetzee’s tenure so far than was the case in the prior regimes of Heyneke Meyer and Peter de Villiers, for instance.

Both Meyer and De Villiers did pin fairly consistent faith in various players, who at least created some kind of spine and central “personality” to their teams.

There was so much chopping and changing - not to mention performance under-delivery - last year that it ended with desperately few players looking even remotely like part of the furniture.

A ray of light is that one of few proven world-class men in the present Bok ranks, front lock Eben Etzebeth, is right back in the picture; his end-of-year tour was quickly cut short last November when he was concussed in a collision with England’s own ton-of-bricks forward Billy Vunipola at Twickenham.

It probably amounts to a healthy development, too, that Etzebeth’s second-row partner for both the Stormers and Boks, Pieter-Steph du Toit, is under mounting heat for the Test No 5 shirt from the Lions’ utterly tireless Franco Mostert; both are part of the Jo’burg training exercise.

Coach Coetzee cannot be faulted, either, for drawing closer to his plans players like Lukhanyo Am, Chris Cloete, Thomas du Toit, Ross Cronje, Harold Vorster and Courtnall Skosan, even if his swollen mix at this point also features certain representatives who either look ominously close to dead wood or are in that volatile category of players you might not have dreamed, until pretty recently, might cut it at the very highest level.

Confidently pick a Bok XV right here, right now? Good luck, anyone trying it. I’d rather be blindfolded, spun a dozen times and then pin the tail on the donkey at a kiddie party for a better hope of some accuracy.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/bok-team-instability-reigns-supreme-20170517


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At least Allister Coetzee broke off his relative silence and seemingly low profile of recent times to make a frank confession early this week.

“I can honestly say that there are still a number of positions up for grabs,” the Springbok coach said in the official release accompanying revelation of a latest, 39-strong training group ahead of the June home series against France.

Boy, he is not wrong.

Once again, little can be read into selections given the generous, hedge-your-bets number of attendees to the camp in Johannesburg from Sunday to Tuesday, including known injured customers, plus the exclusion under World Rugby stipulations yet of any overseas-based candidates Coetzee may fancy, and also absence of personnel from the porous Cheetahs (currently touring New Zealand).

Hardly helping is that the collective South African challenge in Super Rugby 2017 flatters to deceive once more, with the Lions lone, suitably consistent winners as was the case last year - when players from that franchise also only complicated matters by generally not replicating in national colours the verve and appetite shown one tier down.

This major head-scratcher lingers for Coetzee: should I put as much - or even more - faith in clearly in-form Lions standouts, all over again? Should I pursue with greater vigour a playing template closer to the style they know and clearly cherish? And could their players adapt acceptably enough to a more conservative, Bok “traditional strengths” pattern, if that’s what I opt for?

So that’s one hot potato ... amidst a greater pile of scalding spuds, if you like, as the time draws ominously close for the national coach to show his 31-strong final squad hand, next Tuesday, for the three Tests against the physical French, third-placed in the 2017 Six Nations.

The Boks reeled during Coetzee’s first season in charge, becoming the first in more commonly proud green-and-gold history to lose eight times in a calendar year.

In that context, have there been any tangible signs of fog clearing in time for the various 2017 challenges?

I would argue, regrettably, that as things stand the pea-souper has only thickened.

In happier and more productive times, after all, one of the first things you might be inclined to do is take a yardstick from your selections, say, for the final game of the previous Test campaign as you weigh up how to assemble your first XV (and almost as importantly these days full match-day 23) of a new season.

Yet the Boks of 2016 really only ended that year as they started it: all at sea tactically and with questions eclipsing answers in so many positions on the park.

Here, as an uncomfortable reminder, was the starting line-up when they put 2016 mercifully to bed, losing by a clear-cut 27-13 to Wales (later to end an innocuous fifth in the Six Nations) at the Millennium Stadium: 15 Johan Goosen, 14 Ruan Combrinck, 13 Francois Venter, 12 Rohan Janse van Rensburg, 11 Jamba Ulengo, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Uzair Cassiem, 6 Nizaam Carr, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 3 Lourens Adriaanse, 2 Adriaan Strauss (capt), 1 Tendai Mtawarira.

Of those, there are several you can almost certainly rule out from any immediate retention hopes automatically for game one against France at Loftus on June 10.

Utility back Goosen controversially retired aged just 24 at the end of last year, amidst threats of legal action for alleged breach of contract by his French club Racing 92, wing Combrinck has made a much slower-than-expected recovery from shoulder surgery, barrelling inside centre Janse van Rensburg is out for several months with knee ligament problems, scrumhalf De Klerk out of favour and seemingly overseas-bound, whilst captain and seasoned hooker Strauss has retired from the international landscape.

And which of the other, fit members of that run-on side would you say are in vintage Super Rugby form, with renewed Bok honours written all over them?

Midfielder Venter leads a Cheetahs team that plays some effervescent rugby but leaks tries (currently more than five a game) like there is no tomorrow in a just-as-cavalier disregard for defensive principles.

Lanky one-cap wing Ulengo has suffered along with the broader demise of the once-mighty Bulls this season, Jantjies remains a massive enigma - can he play vibrant rugby and look at peace with the world for any team but the Lions? - and Carr simply is no longer an attractive option as a fetcher-type flank (he has been mostly at No 8 with on-and-off success for the Stormers).

The respectable enough blindsider against Wales, Cassiem, is just feeling his way back into Super Rugby - most often as a Cheetahs sub recently - after several weeks out with a knee injury, while that lengthy Bok banker at loosehead, Mtawarira, is also short of best mojo.

He and prop-mate Coenie Oosthuizen (also still part of the extended early SA mix in 2017) were a bit gallingly banished to the Sharks bench shortly after halftime on Saturday as the under-rated Kings eight got some concerted set-piece shoves on, en route to a famous derby win in Port Elizabeth.

Still, one thing almost inadvertently in “Beast’s” favour is that he sports necessary experience and longevity, and that is something that has been far less widespread a phenomenon in Coetzee’s tenure so far than was the case in the prior regimes of Heyneke Meyer and Peter de Villiers, for instance.

Both Meyer and De Villiers did pin fairly consistent faith in various players, who at least created some kind of spine and central “personality” to their teams.

There was so much chopping and changing - not to mention performance under-delivery - last year that it ended with desperately few players looking even remotely like part of the furniture.

A ray of light is that one of few proven world-class men in the present Bok ranks, front lock Eben Etzebeth, is right back in the picture; his end-of-year tour was quickly cut short last November when he was concussed in a collision with England’s own ton-of-bricks forward Billy Vunipola at Twickenham.

It probably amounts to a healthy development, too, that Etzebeth’s second-row partner for both the Stormers and Boks, Pieter-Steph du Toit, is under mounting heat for the Test No 5 shirt from the Lions’ utterly tireless Franco Mostert; both are part of the Jo’burg training exercise.

Coach Coetzee cannot be faulted, either, for drawing closer to his plans players like Lukhanyo Am, Chris Cloete, Thomas du Toit, Ross Cronje, Harold Vorster and Courtnall Skosan, even if his swollen mix at this point also features certain representatives who either look ominously close to dead wood or are in that volatile category of players you might not have dreamed, until pretty recently, might cut it at the very highest level.

Confidently pick a Bok XV right here, right now? Good luck, anyone trying it. I’d rather be blindfolded, spun a dozen times and then pin the tail on the donkey at a kiddie party for a better hope of some accuracy.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/bok-team-instability-reigns-supreme-20170517



Anyone remember how Rudolph Streauli padded his teams with unknowns ?


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Sometimes Keo knows what he's talking about. Heh Sards? :)
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Hey Allister, load the Boks with Lions!

Springbok coach Allister Coetzee’s best chance of immediate success is to load his run on XV with Lions players and to trust the continuity of South Africa’s best Super Rugby team to beat the best of France.

Coetzee would have had limited time to work with his squad and the inconsistency in selection in 2016 means he doesn’t have a settled and winning base from which to start.
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Coetzee’s issue with the Lions players starts with flyhalf Elton Jantjies. The coach destroyed the player’s confidence when he spent a season at the Stormers and in 2016 took a month to break down all Jantjies had produced as one of the stars of Super Rugby.

Coetzee has to believe in the qualities of the Lions in every aspect of their being and, when picking the core of the Lions team, allow the players to produce the style of play that has worked for them over the last two years. He also has to select Lions combinations and not break up the combinations.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Columnists/MarkKeohane/hey-allister-load-the-boks-with-lions-20170517


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Braai with the Boks
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The cost for the Bok Braai is R5 000 and includes two tickets to the evening event, and will also cover the cost of one of the young players to attend the training and development day. To purchase a ticket or to find out more about how to donate towards the Fund - contact events@playersfund.org.za or call (021) 658 5615.

Event Details: “The Play the Bounce Braai”
• Date: 20 June 2017
• Time: 18:30 to 22:30
• Venue: Café Cru at the Southern Sun Montecasino
• Price: R5 000

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/170517/Braai_with_the_Boks


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Braai with the Boks
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The cost for the Bok Braai is R5 000 and includes two tickets to the evening event, and will also cover the cost of one of the young players to attend the training and development day. To purchase a ticket or to find out more about how to donate towards the Fund - contact events@playersfund.org.za or call (021) 658 5615.

Event Details: “The Play the Bounce Braai”
• Date: 20 June 2017
• Time: 18:30 to 22:30
• Venue: Café Cru at the Southern Sun Montecasino
• Price: R5 000

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/170517/Braai_with_the_Boks

5 grand! Fcuk off!


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Jensrsa wrote:
Braai with the Boks
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The cost for the Bok Braai is R5 000 and includes two tickets to the evening event, and will also cover the cost of one of the young players to attend the training and development day. To purchase a ticket or to find out more about how to donate towards the Fund - contact events@playersfund.org.za or call (021) 658 5615.

Event Details: “The Play the Bounce Braai”
• Date: 20 June 2017
• Time: 18:30 to 22:30
• Venue: Café Cru at the Southern Sun Montecasino
• Price: R5 000

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/170517/Braai_with_the_Boks

5 grand! Fcuk off!


Not going then? :)


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handyman wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Braai with the Boks
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The cost for the Bok Braai is R5 000 and includes two tickets to the evening event, and will also cover the cost of one of the young players to attend the training and development day. To purchase a ticket or to find out more about how to donate towards the Fund - contact events@playersfund.org.za or call (021) 658 5615.

Event Details: “The Play the Bounce Braai”
• Date: 20 June 2017
• Time: 18:30 to 22:30
• Venue: Café Cru at the Southern Sun Montecasino
• Price: R5 000

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/170517/Braai_with_the_Boks

5 grand! Fcuk off!


Not going then? :)

I buy a Bok jersey and I pay my DSTV subscription and I go to the odd game. It's time the Boks give something back. Time they win more than they lose.


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He said: “At the moment, my future is at Montpellier, I’m still enjoying it here and I’m not looking to go anywhere else.

“It’s tough for me, because I haven’t been part of Springbok rugby for so long. It’s difficult for me to comment.

“I always think that the problems come in when you can’t pick your best players, if you can pick your best players then you can win. Nobody’s phoned me, nobody’s talked to me and I’m just focussing on playing good rugby for Montpellier.

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The circumstances surrounding Steyn’s withdrawal from international rugby were not completely clear at the time, as SARU Chief Executive Jurie Roux claimed the Springbok was taking a ‘break’ – though it seems Steyn felt he was leaving for good. Reports around the time suggested that Steyn’s frustration was linked to an unresolve financial dispute with SARU.

He said: “I left the Springboks in a bad way. Everything that happened was bad, the way I left, everything was bad, it wasn’t good for anybody.

“I think when that happened, I thought I would never go there again, so that made it a little bit hard.

“I don’t really think about it, I’m here to play for Montpellier and to look after my wife and be a good Dad to my kids.

He concluded: “Until the end of rugby, I see the future of my family in France – I want to go back to South Africa afterwards.”

http://www.planetrugby.com/news/no-springbok-return-in-sight-for-steyn/


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handyman wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
handyman wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Braai with the Boks
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The cost for the Bok Braai is R5 000 and includes two tickets to the evening event, and will also cover the cost of one of the young players to attend the training and development day. To purchase a ticket or to find out more about how to donate towards the Fund - contact events@playersfund.org.za or call (021) 658 5615.

Event Details: “The Play the Bounce Braai”
• Date: 20 June 2017
• Time: 18:30 to 22:30
• Venue: Café Cru at the Southern Sun Montecasino
• Price: R5 000

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/170517/Braai_with_the_Boks

5 grand! Fcuk off!


Not going then? :)

I buy a Bok jersey and I pay my DSTV subscription and I go to the odd game. It's time the Boks give something back. Time they win more than they lose.




I've supported them for more than 50 years. And they've had their slumps in that time, as well.
Yet they delivered. from time to time ...

But seldom have they been so predictably shit. Or impacted by matters from outside rugby.


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He said: “At the moment, my future is at Montpellier, I’m still enjoying it here and I’m not looking to go anywhere else.

“It’s tough for me, because I haven’t been part of Springbok rugby for so long. It’s difficult for me to comment.

“I always think that the problems come in when you can’t pick your best players, if you can pick your best players then you can win. Nobody’s phoned me, nobody’s talked to me and I’m just focussing on playing good rugby for Montpellier.

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The circumstances surrounding Steyn’s withdrawal from international rugby were not completely clear at the time, as SARU Chief Executive Jurie Roux claimed the Springbok was taking a ‘break’ – though it seems Steyn felt he was leaving for good. Reports around the time suggested that Steyn’s frustration was linked to an unresolve financial dispute with SARU.

He said: “I left the Springboks in a bad way. Everything that happened was bad, the way I left, everything was bad, it wasn’t good for anybody.

“I think when that happened, I thought I would never go there again, so that made it a little bit hard.

“I don’t really think about it, I’m here to play for Montpellier and to look after my wife and be a good Dad to my kids.

He concluded: “Until the end of rugby, I see the future of my family in France – I want to go back to South Africa afterwards.”

http://www.planetrugby.com/news/no-springbok-return-in-sight-for-steyn/



Frans Steyn was played as a patsy by the anti-HM people (Jake White, for one)
To the detriment of his career AND Bok rugby.

We really needed him during the last RWC and after.


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Ho-lee shhitt
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The Irish Independent understands that Erasmus has triggered the six-months' notice clause in his contract that will allow him return to South Africa to become their director of rugby.


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The Irish Independent understands that Erasmus has triggered the six-months' notice clause in his contract that will allow him return to South Africa to become their director of rugby.

NZ's rugby heart just missed a beat.


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We need Rassie.

Very very much. especially if Venter decides to go walkabout again. .


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:13 pm 
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Wilson's Toffee wrote:
We need Rassie.

Very very much. especially if Venter decides to go walkabout again. .


Logic?

Rassie is going to sit in the ivory tower making plans, he's not going to be a hands on coach, much less the defence coach


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:26 pm 
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Jensrsa wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
We need Rassie.

Very very much. especially if Venter decides to go walkabout again. .


Logic?

Rassie is going to sit in the ivory tower making plans, he's not going to be a hands on coach, much less the defence coach


Apparently he is going to be the "on-field" director. Whatever that means.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:49 pm 
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Head coach without the title. AC will have that.


The old argument that makes AA work - "We have the technology (or rather, the whites have it - and we have the whites !) so let's do it ! "

Khaya Majole, ex cricketer, now deceased, (before anyone accuses me if racism ) - around circa 1996/7.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:43 am 
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Newlands will host All Blacks Test

WP Rugby has obtained the required safety certificate for Newlands, which will allow the iconic venue to host the Rugby Championship Test between the Springboks and the All Blacks on 7 October.

http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/newlands-gets-green-light-for-abs-test


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:35 am 
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Great stuff. Newlands will be a sold out, weeks before the test.

It was embarrassing to see all those empty seats at tests, like last week.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:55 am 
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OomPB wrote:
Great stuff. Newlands will be a sold out, weeks before the test.

It was embarrassing to see all those empty seats at tests, like last week.


If it's going to be full, why sell 50 000 for Newlands when you could have sold 55 000 for Green Point? Idiots.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:59 am 
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Just a shame the majority of supporters will be wearing black.


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Slider wrote:
OomPB wrote:
Great stuff. Newlands will be a sold out, weeks before the test.

It was embarrassing to see all those empty seats at tests, like last week.


If it's going to be full, why sell 50 000 for Newlands when you could have sold 55 000 for Green Point? Idiots.

Losies?


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handyman wrote:
Slider wrote:
OomPB wrote:
Great stuff. Newlands will be a sold out, weeks before the test.

It was embarrassing to see all those empty seats at tests, like last week.


If it's going to be full, why sell 50 000 for Newlands when you could have sold 55 000 for Green Point? Idiots.

Losies?



Advertisements and revenue share to the City.

At Newlands they do not have to share too much, at Green Point the City will take their blood.


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