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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:13 pm 
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Definitely too much sloppiness in the centres, very disappointing.

Oh yeah, Brown also made a 3rd very good pass, running back a kick, commits the defender and passes to May. Has something clicked in his brain?


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Definitely too much sloppiness in the centres, very disappointing.

Oh yeah, Brown also made a 3rd very good pass, running back a kick, commits the defender and passes to May. Has something clicked in his brain?


Concussion?


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Brown last played like that when Quims tore Wasps a new one in the AP. :|


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Definitely too much sloppiness in the centres, very disappointing.

Oh yeah, Brown also made a 3rd very good pass, running back a kick, commits the defender and passes to May. Has something clicked in his brain?


Concussion?


Finally symptom free from previous issues??


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Just watched and done ruck marks on Curry alone in the first test, will take a bit of a break and do the same for Underhill in the 2nd.

Brief notes though, he's not a physical carrying option in the slightest, and the lack of physicality pretty much goes through his game. He managed one stopping hit against a forward carrier (in 14 tackles), and I didn't see any good clearouts in rucks. His worst moment would have to be his failure to clear out the Argie 9 off of Hughes in the messy ruck. Likes to overrun the rucks a lot, but didn't take many people out the game with it (which is half the point).

Very good in getting turnovers when fresh though, quick back on his feet to attack the ball, unfortunately I believe tacklers rights are getting removed, and unless he's making big tackles, he'll be on the wrong side to continue to take advantage of that.

May have to go back and do one for Wilson though, noticed him a lot.


Currys wurst moment was walking off the scrum gifting a try.


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Raggs wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
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Definitely too much sloppiness in the centres, very disappointing.

Oh yeah, Brown also made a 3rd very good pass, running back a kick, commits the defender and passes to May. Has something clicked in his brain?


Concussion?


Finally symptom free from previous issues??


I was suggesting maybe he got another head knock and it stopped him remembering how much he likes to just run into people but thank you for taking me seriously :lol: :blush:


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Just watched and done ruck marks on Curry alone in the first test, will take a bit of a break and do the same for Underhill in the 2nd.

Brief notes though, he's not a physical carrying option in the slightest, and the lack of physicality pretty much goes through his game. He managed one stopping hit against a forward carrier (in 14 tackles), and I didn't see any good clearouts in rucks. His worst moment would have to be his failure to clear out the Argie 9 off of Hughes in the messy ruck. Likes to overrun the rucks a lot, but didn't take many people out the game with it (which is half the point).

Very good in getting turnovers when fresh though, quick back on his feet to attack the ball, unfortunately I believe tacklers rights are getting removed, and unless he's making big tackles, he'll be on the wrong side to continue to take advantage of that.

May have to go back and do one for Wilson though, noticed him a lot.


Currys wurst moment was walking off the scrum gifting a try.


Groan


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JM2K6 wrote:
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Definitely too much sloppiness in the centres, very disappointing.

Oh yeah, Brown also made a 3rd very good pass, running back a kick, commits the defender and passes to May. Has something clicked in his brain?


Concussion?


Finally symptom free from previous issues??


I was suggesting maybe he got another head knock and it stopped him remembering how much he likes to just run into people but thank you for taking me seriously :lol: :blush:


I wasn't taking you seriously! Just approaching from another angle :D.


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Brown seems to thrive under Eddie's version of chaos theory. Is it because Brown has been the perpetrator of most of the unplanned chaos for several years ?


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Just watched and done ruck marks on Curry alone in the first test, will take a bit of a break and do the same for Underhill in the 2nd.

Brief notes though, he's not a physical carrying option in the slightest, and the lack of physicality pretty much goes through his game. He managed one stopping hit against a forward carrier (in 14 tackles), and I didn't see any good clearouts in rucks. His worst moment would have to be his failure to clear out the Argie 9 off of Hughes in the messy ruck. Likes to overrun the rucks a lot, but didn't take many people out the game with it (which is half the point).

Very good in getting turnovers when fresh though, quick back on his feet to attack the ball, unfortunately I believe tacklers rights are getting removed, and unless he's making big tackles, he'll be on the wrong side to continue to take advantage of that.

May have to go back and do one for Wilson though, noticed him a lot.


Currys wurst moment was walking off the scrum gifting a try.


Groan


I'm working on my own in 30deg heat gimme a break :P


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DragsterDriver wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Just watched and done ruck marks on Curry alone in the first test, will take a bit of a break and do the same for Underhill in the 2nd.

Brief notes though, he's not a physical carrying option in the slightest, and the lack of physicality pretty much goes through his game. He managed one stopping hit against a forward carrier (in 14 tackles), and I didn't see any good clearouts in rucks. His worst moment would have to be his failure to clear out the Argie 9 off of Hughes in the messy ruck. Likes to overrun the rucks a lot, but didn't take many people out the game with it (which is half the point).

Very good in getting turnovers when fresh though, quick back on his feet to attack the ball, unfortunately I believe tacklers rights are getting removed, and unless he's making big tackles, he'll be on the wrong side to continue to take advantage of that.

May have to go back and do one for Wilson though, noticed him a lot.


Currys wurst moment was walking off the scrum gifting a try.


:lol:
Was that on purpose, meine freunde?


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Who was bitching about Ford's place kicking again?

I've said before the problem with his place kicking is he can be perfect one day and then inexplicably not be able to kick goals from in front of the post. It's crazy as his off days can be in games where his team is winning easy and his really good days can be in high pressure games. It's just odd and unreliable.

It was good to see him kick well in Argentina, but I still wouldn't like to rely on his goal-kicking to win a crunch game. He has been so, so poor off the tee at times.


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If Farrell has the kind of Lions tour I'm expecting him to have, I think he could easily assume captaincy of the England side on his return.

That frees up the hooker slot for George, LCD, Taylor and the full back slot for Watson, Daly, Nowell etc. The rest of the co-captains think can do one.

Good call. A changing of some of the guard should take place for the next 6N. Though EJ is unlikely to drop all of them in one go. Wouldn't be surprised if Robshaw and Haskell will still be around for a while yet

Injuries usually decide these matters tbh. Players seem to drop like flies before test windows so EJ might be glad of having Haskell, Robshaw or even Wood available. The more quality players to pick from the better. Iirc EJ said he wanted 3 options in every position.


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Brown last played like that when Quims tore Wasps a new one in the AP. :|


He made 18 passes :lol:


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DragsterDriver wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Just watched and done ruck marks on Curry alone in the first test, will take a bit of a break and do the same for Underhill in the 2nd.

Brief notes though, he's not a physical carrying option in the slightest, and the lack of physicality pretty much goes through his game. He managed one stopping hit against a forward carrier (in 14 tackles), and I didn't see any good clearouts in rucks. His worst moment would have to be his failure to clear out the Argie 9 off of Hughes in the messy ruck. Likes to overrun the rucks a lot, but didn't take many people out the game with it (which is half the point).

Very good in getting turnovers when fresh though, quick back on his feet to attack the ball, unfortunately I believe tacklers rights are getting removed, and unless he's making big tackles, he'll be on the wrong side to continue to take advantage of that.

May have to go back and do one for Wilson though, noticed him a lot.


Currys wurst moment was walking off the scrum gifting a try.


:lol:
Was that on purpose, meine freunde?


Ja, I was trying to be a funny plum.


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If Farrell has the kind of Lions tour I'm expecting him to have, I think he could easily assume captaincy of the England side on his return.

That frees up the hooker slot for George, LCD, Taylor and the full back slot for Watson, Daly, Nowell etc. The rest of the co-captains think can do one.

Good call. A changing of some of the guard should take place for the next 6N. Though EJ is unlikely to drop all of them in one go. Wouldn't be surprised if Robshaw and Haskell will still be around for a while yet

Injuries usually decide these matters tbh. Players seem to drop like flies before test windows so EJ might be glad of having Haskell, Robshaw or even Wood available. The more quality players to pick from the better. Iirc EJ said he wanted 3 options in every position.


And now he's saying he has 61 up for selection, so that's 4 for every position (on average)


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I assume the 60 is made up of the 30 in Argentina, the 16 Lions (including Billy and Youngs) and others in the EPS who were ruled out through injury/suspension.


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You lads might enjoy Mako here.

https://twitter.com/hairyrucker1/status ... 1176666113


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Seen that on fbook earlier, but couldnt find a link.

It's worthy of its own article. :thumbup:


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Seen that on fbook earlier, but couldnt find a link.

It's worthy of its own article. :thumbup:


Quickly converted into a gif on the Irish thread.
Furlong must have felt a bit violated.

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YOYO wrote:
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Seen that on fbook earlier, but couldnt find a link.

It's worthy of its own article. :thumbup:


Quickly converted into a gif on the Irish thread.
Furlong must have felt a bit violated.

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I think jamie george was more violated for having to watch.

Nah, he seemed pretty cool after it. Good to know that theyve got a good enough team bond to be able to do that sort of shit without worrying about it tbh.

Funny clip anyway <ok>


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Don't know if any of you have seen, but Tom Curry has been given a buzz cut by the England lads. Was doing the rounds on social media.


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RR from a Lions thread no doubt, but how the flip has Lawes been passed fit to play in the Chiefs game? He was spark out, and this comes only a few weeks after having to go off from taking a blow to the head in the game against Exeter. I know he plays for Saints (pre-emptive strike) but surely there must be a high degree of risk playing him in this game.


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I'm off for ten minutes...


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RR from a Lions thread no doubt, but how the flip has Lawes been passed fit to play in the Chiefs game? He was spark out, and this comes only a few weeks after having to go off from taking a blow to the head in the game against Exeter. I know he plays for Saints (pre-emptive strike) but surely there must be a high degree of risk playing him in this game.


The answer is because it's not based on how recent it was or how out he was, but whether he passed all the cognitive tests and related ways of ensuring he has no further effects.


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RR from a Lions thread no doubt, but how the flip has Lawes been passed fit to play in the Chiefs game? He was spark out, and this comes only a few weeks after having to go off from taking a blow to the head in the game against Exeter. I know he plays for Saints (pre-emptive strike) but surely there must be a high degree of risk playing him in this game.

I'm very surprised he has been named. I wouldn't be surprised if he is pulled pre-game and we get Hill starting. Gatland probably couldn't face naming one of his 4 Welsh play-things in the starting lineup as he knew he'd get criticised for it.


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Not being funny but Lawe's base score on the concussion test could probably be passed by a potato.


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Not being funny but Lawe's base score on the concussion test could probably be passed by a potato.


:lol:


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Not being funny but Lawe's base score on the concussion test could probably be passed by a potato.

:lol: :lol:

I think he and Sonny Bill Williams are in competition for the thickest sounding pro rugby player title.


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After a shaky start to the first Test, Yarde ended up doing pretty well in that game. Was not good today and unlike some wings he will never recover a dodgy defensive situation. Ultimately he has too many weaknesses for international rugby, but let's not pretend he was dire in the first game and we couldn't pick an entire team of neophytes. Eddie blooded a ton of players and win the series two zip.

Yes, Yarde was good in the first test. It looked like replacing him with Solomona had cost England the game. He was also good against Australia in his last game for England. He is a solid back-up option. Watson & Daly would be my first choice wings, Nowell covering from the bench.


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JM2K6 wrote:
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RR from a Lions thread no doubt, but how the flip has Lawes been passed fit to play in the Chiefs game? He was spark out, and this comes only a few weeks after having to go off from taking a blow to the head in the game against Exeter. I know he plays for Saints (pre-emptive strike) but surely there must be a high degree of risk playing him in this game.


The answer is because it's not based on how recent it was or how out he was, but whether he passed all the cognitive tests and related ways of ensuring he has no further effects.

I thought that kind of thing resulted in a week stand down as a precaution.


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With Ford's form in England jersey being so strong... I wonder if Jones has the bottle to drop Farrell and go:

10. Ford
12. Teo
13. Joseph

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Based on their play so far on the tours I'd be interested in seeing Ford-Farrell-Te'o.


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Gospel wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
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RR from a Lions thread no doubt, but how the flip has Lawes been passed fit to play in the Chiefs game? He was spark out, and this comes only a few weeks after having to go off from taking a blow to the head in the game against Exeter. I know he plays for Saints (pre-emptive strike) but surely there must be a high degree of risk playing him in this game.


The answer is because it's not based on how recent it was or how out he was, but whether he passed all the cognitive tests and related ways of ensuring he has no further effects.

I thought that kind of thing resulted in a week stand down as a precaution.


Not for ages.


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Not being funny but Lawe's base score on the concussion test could probably be passed by a potato.

:lol: :lol:

I think he and Sonny Bill Williams are in competition for the thickest sounding pro rugby player title.


Lawes really isn't the sharpest but a nice bloke, SBW on the other hand was pretty sharp and a really nice guy which surprised me...he's like a Greek god in the flesh- women were swooning and had no idea who he was :o


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DragsterDriver wrote:
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englishchief wrote:
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Not being funny but Lawe's base score on the concussion test could probably be passed by a potato.

:lol: :lol:

I think he and Sonny Bill Williams are in competition for the thickest sounding pro rugby player title.

Lawes really isn't the sharpest but a nice bloke, SBW on the other hand was pretty sharp and a really nice guy which surprised me...he's like a Greek god in the flesh- women were swooning and had no idea who he was :o


My missus absolutely loves SBW, think she wants to watch the first test purely because of him :frown: :lol:

Also pretty chuffed with the JOC signing, our backline for next season is looking very exciting (if not a little loose)!
This lot on a hot day would be brilliant to watch - De Klerk, JOC, Odogwu/Charnley, James, Addison, Solomona, Haley :shock: :lol:
Fun as that would be, I don't think he's at his best at 10. MacGinty would be better there so not sure where he fits in on a regular basis if I'm honest. Maybe at centre?


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45jumper wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
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englishchief wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Not being funny but Lawe's base score on the concussion test could probably be passed by a potato.

:lol: :lol:

I think he and Sonny Bill Williams are in competition for the thickest sounding pro rugby player title.

Lawes really isn't the sharpest but a nice bloke, SBW on the other hand was pretty sharp and a really nice guy which surprised me...he's like a Greek god in the flesh- women were swooning and had no idea who he was :o


My missus absolutely loves SBW, think she wants to watch the first test purely because of him :frown: :lol:

Also pretty chuffed with the JOC signing, our backline for next season is looking very exciting (if not a little loose)!
This lot on a hot day would be brilliant to watch - De Klerk, JOC, Odogwu/Charnley, James, Addison, Solomona, Haley :shock: :lol:
Fun as that would be, I don't think he's at his best at 10. MacGinty would be better there so not sure where he fits in on a regular basis if I'm honest. Maybe at centre?


Not bad to have the option at 10 or 12, not least given how much time Addison tends to spend out injured. Macginty-JOC-James would worry teams, plus we also have the option of Jennings.

Squad's shaping up nicely for next year now. Have we signed a baby-eating lock at all?


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Apparently we're favourites to sign Grobler from Racing 92 (though Toulon and Munster are also interested), a massive South African who has previously served a two year ban for doping. Looks like he's done pretty well over there so I'd be pleased with it. Only 25 as well :thumbup:
Evans, Grobler, Beaumont, Ostrikov and Nott gives us big depth with differing skillsets, something we've lacked for a while.


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England with the 2 starting wingers for the Lions.

Who'd have thought that ?!


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England with the 2 starting wingers for the Lions.

Who'd have thought that ?!

George starting, Hartley off form

Surely not reasonable for Hartley to remain as starter


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