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Who is going to win?
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Nothing wrong with wanting to know a try has been legitimately scored. I'm sure the Turks wouldn't have wanted to win if the try wasn't legal. It's not going to stop a genuine try, just remove all the post match whinging if a poor decision is made.


Agreed. But trying to prevent the match from going ahead is taking it a stage further. Unfortunately, the tv coverage didn't show it as they were showing replays of the try but the rest of the Ospreys team were behind the posts - AWJ and Biggar were infront of the ball, harranguing the referee making TMO signs trying to stop Patchell(?) take the conversion.

I realize Eddie's motives on this. But he is not wrong.



Which part of "you can not check if a try is legally awarded or not, once a conversion has been taken"? To me, a team rushing to take a conversion, shows that they might have some doubt about it`s authenticity.


I don't think he was rushing to take it. AWJ was made to look a total lazy mug by Horne, and that probably upset him. As it should.


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Nothing wrong with wanting to know a try has been legitimately scored. I'm sure the Turks wouldn't have wanted to win if the try wasn't legal. It's not going to stop a genuine try, just remove all the post match whinging if a poor decision is made.


Agreed. But trying to prevent the match from going ahead is taking it a stage further. Unfortunately, the tv coverage didn't show it as they were showing replays of the try but the rest of the Ospreys team were behind the posts - AWJ and Biggar were infront of the ball, harranguing the referee making TMO signs trying to stop Patchell(?) take the conversion.

I realize Eddie's motives on this. But he is not wrong.



Which part of "you can not check if a try is legally awarded or not, once a conversion has been taken"? To me, a team rushing to take a conversion, shows that they might have some doubt about it`s authenticity.


I don't think he was rushing to take it. AWJ was made to look a total lazy mug by Horne, and that probably upset him. As it should.


AWJ is many things. Lazy isn't one of them.


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Edward Jones should take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.

If this man is let anywhere near the Lions job I will be absolutely seething. He is a boorish oik he has no understanding of rugger ethos.



Um, Gatland ... ???


Clive Woodward?

EJ will come a cropper at some point, we all do and he has done in previous lifetimes. However he is tremendously good value and if Bomber had had his self-confidence....


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Nothing wrong with wanting to know a try has been legitimately scored. I'm sure the Turks wouldn't have wanted to win if the try wasn't legal. It's not going to stop a genuine try, just remove all the post match whinging if a poor decision is made.


Agreed. But trying to prevent the match from going ahead is taking it a stage further. Unfortunately, the tv coverage didn't show it as they were showing replays of the try but the rest of the Ospreys team were behind the posts - AWJ and Biggar were infront of the ball, harranguing the referee making TMO signs trying to stop Patchell(?) take the conversion.

I realize Eddie's motives on this. But he is not wrong.



Which part of "you can not check if a try is legally awarded or not, once a conversion has been taken"? To me, a team rushing to take a conversion, shows that they might have some doubt about it`s authenticity.


I don't think he was rushing to take it. AWJ was made to look a total lazy mug by Horne, and that probably upset him. As it should.


AWJ is many things. Lazy isn't one of them.


I might have been harsh. AWJ still was made to look a mug though.


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Anyway I predict a 10 point England win. AWJ to get sin binned.


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Edward Jones should take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.

If this man is let anywhere near the Lions job I will be absolutely seething. He is a boorish oik he has no understanding of rugger ethos.


Um, Gatland ... ???


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"Dylan Hartley always seems to have a lot to say for himself, but we will see what he's got next week. Some of what he said was responsible for Richie Rees being banned for a lengthy period, yet he wasn't prepared to step outside with Gareth Williams when he was invited to do so. So we'll see how he fronts up on February 4.

I saw him go to pieces at Leicester a few weeks ago and again on Saturday night. It just shows people can crack under pressure. It's another case of a Kiwi choking on the big occasion.

They don't have a particularly mobile front row. Dan Cole is good off the bench for Leicester after Martin Castrogiovanni has done a job.


Spoilt for choice really


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It's another case of a Kiwi choking on the big occasion


Did Gatland really say that :lol: :lol:


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"Dylan Hartley always seems to have a lot to say for himself, but we will see what he's got next week. Some of what he said was responsible for Richie Rees being banned for a lengthy period, yet he wasn't prepared to step outside with Gareth Williams when he was invited to do so. So we'll see how he fronts up on February 4.

I saw him go to pieces at Leicester a few weeks ago and again on Saturday night. It just shows people can crack under pressure. It's another case of a Kiwi choking on the big occasion.

They don't have a particularly mobile front row. Dan Cole is good off the bench for Leicester after Martin Castrogiovanni has done a job.


Spoilt for choice really


And the result was..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt2r7jIU8Gs

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I think that Jones’ choice of sledge material is a little unfortunate given that Gatland might just remind Jones why Joseph didn’t make a lions test side. Also, Remind me what happened when Patchell went up against Joseph a couple of weeks back....?


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I think that Jones’ choice of sledge material is a little unfortunate given that Gatland might just remind Jones why Joseph didn’t make a lions test side. Also, Remind me what happened when Patchell went up against Joseph a couple of weeks back....?


You are very keen on reminders.

Why not just write the points you are trying to make?


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Liam Williams starting for Sarries :?


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Edward Jones should take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.

If this man is let anywhere near the Lions job I will be absolutely seething. He is a boorish oik he has no understanding of rugger ethos.


Um, Gatland ... ???


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"Dylan Hartley always seems to have a lot to say for himself, but we will see what he's got next week. Some of what he said was responsible for Richie Rees being banned for a lengthy period, yet he wasn't prepared to step outside with Gareth Williams when he was invited to do so. So we'll see how he fronts up on February 4.

I saw him go to pieces at Leicester a few weeks ago and again on Saturday night. It just shows people can crack under pressure. It's another case of a Kiwi choking on the big occasion.

They don't have a particularly mobile front row. Dan Cole is good off the bench for Leicester after Martin Castrogiovanni has done a job.


Spoilt for choice really


You're usually (and rightly) foaming at the mouth when Gatland shoots his mouth off. I'm disappointed (but totally unsurprised) that you don't hold Eddie to the same standards you judge Warren by.


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Liam Williams starting for Sarries :?


Good stuff.


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Looks like it’s going to be played in a complete downpour.


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It's obvious Jones is using his comments to raise the stakes. Everything he is doing is preparing England for the World Cup. He sees Wales are in great form, he knows Gats is coming hard he knows half the teams int he world will motivate themselves by saying "it's f**king England" so he want's the stakes upped like how a world cup match would be. Where as some see him trolling, he just sees opportunity to put his player in a situation close to the world cup high pressure stakes atmosphere.


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It's obvious Jones is using his comments to raise the stakes. Everything he is doing is preparing England for the World Cup. He sees Wales are in great form, he knows Gats is coming hard he knows half the teams int he world will motivate themselves by saying "it's f**king England" so he want's the stakes upped like how a world cup match would be. Where as some see him trolling, he just sees opportunity to put his player in a situation close to the world cup high pressure stakes atmosphere.


4D Chess!


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Looks like it’s going to be played in a complete downpour.


Rather disappointing.


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Liam Williams starting for Sarries :?


So tell us what the :? Is for then?


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Looks like it’s going to be played in a complete downpour.


Bet you England won’t close the roof as they’re petrified of our running game.


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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... s-14267202

English antics for this match are very unbecoming.


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Liam Williams starting for Sarries :?


So tell us what the :? Is for then?

I thought that (a) he was out for the whole 6N and (b) if he was fit he'd be playing for Wales.


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Plastic Sarrie wrote:
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Liam Williams starting for Sarries :?


So tell us what the :? Is for then?

I thought that (a) he was out for the whole 6N and (b) if he was fit he'd be playing for Wales.


Would you not rather he was playing for Sarries?


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Absolutely. Very pleased. Surprised though.


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Looks like it’s going to be played in a complete downpour.


Bet you England won’t close the roof as they’re petrified of our running game.


Unlikely as our players run faster


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Liam Williams starting for Sarries :?


So tell us what the :? Is for then?

I thought that (a) he was out for the whole 6N and (b) if he was fit he'd be playing for Wales.

He was not deemed good enough to make the Wales match day squad and released to get some game time.
After May and Walson rip us a new one and 1/2p plays his usual dull game he will be in the team for the next match.


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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/england-v-wales-six-nations-14267202

English antics for this match are very unbecoming.


A rugby player swearing, what is the world coming to.


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Rain definitely plays into to the hands of the heavy Welsh pack and backline. Makes things trickier for England.


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Edward Jones should take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.

If this man is let anywhere near the Lions job I will be absolutely seething. He is a boorish oik he has no understanding of rugger ethos.

lol hes just your regular Aussie.


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Eddie’s comments about Patchell aren’t getting any more tasteful after a second examination.


They were hardly 'distasteful' comments. A bit 'pratish' maybe.

Not sure the Welsh really need winding up for an encounter with England - but Eddie just likes to make absolutely sure.

Perhaps I'm giving him too much credit, but I do wonder if it sets things up for a titanic physical clash in the first half draining the Welsh opposition for the impact finishers to come on and take the game away from them as they tire in the second half.


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Rain definitely plays into to the hands of the heavy Welsh pack and backline. Makes things trickier for England.


I thought the Welsh pack was only around a stone heavier than England’s?


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All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.

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"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"


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Rugby2023 wrote:
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Eddie’s comments about Patchell aren’t getting any more tasteful after a second examination.


They were hardly 'distasteful' comments. A bit 'pratish' maybe.

Not sure the Welsh really need winding up for an encounter with England - but Eddie just likes to make absolutely sure.

Perhaps I'm giving him too much credit, but I do wonder if it sets things up for a titanic physical clash in the first half draining the Welsh opposition for the impact finishers to come on and take the game away from them as they tire in the second half.


I think that is the most likely scenario too.


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Dai another day wrote:
All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.

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"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"


Excellent :thumbup:


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Rain definitely plays into to the hands of the heavy Welsh pack and backline. Makes things trickier for England.


I thought the Welsh pack was only around a stone heavier than England’s?


It's possible they only look heavy because they're slow. Still, the English mobile ball-handling pack advantage nullified.


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This is how I see/bet tomorrow's match:

Medium scoring game for 65 minutes, England lead by two scores, say 9 points, England then go on and score another try towards the end. The bookies have this @ -11 England, I make it -16/17 England. Pretty easy money to be honest with you


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MaccTaff wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.

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"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"


Excellent :thumbup:


We all know the Welsh love Kaplan. He ignores their cheating.


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100MileDad wrote:
This is how I see/bet tomorrow's match:

Medium scoring game for 65 minutes, England lead by two scores, say 9 points, England then go on and score another try towards the end. The bookies have this @ -11 England, I make it -16/17 England. Pretty easy money to be honest with you


I was thinking England would win by around 11/12 points. I thought it would be pretty tight until towards the end where England get that final score to just put them out of reach of Wales.


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bessantj wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
This is how I see/bet tomorrow's match:

Medium scoring game for 65 minutes, England lead by two scores, say 9 points, England then go on and score another try towards the end. The bookies have this @ -11 England, I make it -16/17 England. Pretty easy money to be honest with you


I was thinking England would win by around 11/12 points. I thought it would be pretty tight until towards the end where England get that final score to just put them out of reach of Wales.


I don't agree, we won't be able to stop all of their line breaks and they certainly won't be gifting us any points Ala Ecosse.


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Edward Jones should take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.

If this man is let anywhere near the Lions job I will be absolutely seething. He is a boorish oik he has no understanding of rugger ethos.


Good Lord this is a bad gimmick


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Dai another day wrote:
All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.

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"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"

Interesting that you haven't posted a link, Dai


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