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 Post subject: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:02 am 
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Just got into one, first physical altercation in maybe 10 years. Just bizarre.

Will keep it brief and hopefully just the highlights

- driving along Tanglin Road in SG, fairly busy stretch before main road
- get rearended by tailgater at lights
- pull off onto side road, tailgater doesn’t move
- he stays in his car at the lights, holding up traffic (maybe contemplating hitting-and-running)
- eventually pulls in behind me but stays in vehicle
- check both vehicles, barely a scratch on either
- guy eventually gets out and starts ranting
- no idea what he’s saying, sounds like Tamil and Singlish and Tourette’s
- gets in my face (not easy as I’m about a foot taller)
- starts shouting, makes out to throw a punch
- kicks me in the shin instead!
- have to give credit, that’s a decent misdirection
- grabs my hair (!!!) and starts whacking
- I’m grabbing onto him and trying to contain rather than hit back
- motherfucker is wiry as hell, breaks away, spits on my car and drives off!

Whole thing over in a couple of minutes, dozens of onlookers who of course do and say nothing

Contacted insurance company, drove home.

Sorry for the Facebook post but thought I’d ask the PR bush lawyers; any point in contacting police? Didn’t bother asking for a witness to verify, no real damage to car (a leaser) or myself.

Can only think that as this is a small place the chances of encountering this dude again are relatively high, should file a report anyway?

Yours sincerely,
naki


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:06 am 
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Glad you're alright mate. That bloke sounds like he needs some mental help.


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
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not a lawyer of course, not an anglo either, but typical case of cùnt vs civilized.

would have been nice if any witnesses had given you address, just in case, cause he did actually hit you.

I thin you should go for the police to report that, maybe not a big thing, but a simple report officially somewhere in case the fùcker happens to cross you road again (and insist on that point and on the fact he physically hit you). This way you will have documents on that history, and he actually hit you already (once again).

The ending is pretty simple, if you're civilized, you won't hit the fùckers as a response and rather try to cut the crap, like you did.

Just a question, how did you make him go away as the fùcker was obvisouly hitting you physically and willing to (leg, hair etc) ?


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
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not a lawyer of course, not an anglo either, but typical case of cùnt vs civilized.

would have been nice if any witnesses had given you address, just in case, cause he did actually hit you.

I thin you should go for the police to report that, maybe not a big thing, but a simple report officially somewhere in case the fùcker happens to cross you road again (and insist on that point and on the fact he physically hit you). This way you will have documents on that history, and he actually hit you already (once again).

The ending is pretty simple, if you're civilized, you won't hit the fùckers as a response and rather try to cut the crap, like you did.

Just a question, how did you make him go away as the fùcker was obvisouly hitting you physically and willing to (leg, hair etc) ?


Think I’m obligated to file a report as it was effectively a hit and run. Waiting for insurance company to advise.

I didn’t make him go away, he just broken free and scarpered - must have felt he’d made his point.

Relieved that he did, I had height, weight and reach advantage but this guy was doing some amateur Muay Thai shit and from the short exchange we had seemed like he would have kicked the shit out of me


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:21 am 
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“have to give credit, that’s a decent misdirection”

:lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:22 am 
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naki wrote:
Just got into one, first physical altercation in maybe 10 years. Just bizarre.

Will keep it brief and hopefully just the highlights

- driving along Tanglin Road in SG, fairly busy stretch before main road
- get rearended by tailgater at lights
- pull off onto side road, tailgater doesn’t move
- he stays in his car at the lights, holding up traffic (maybe contemplating hitting-and-running)
- eventually pulls in behind me but stays in vehicle
- check both vehicles, barely a scratch on either
- guy eventually gets out and starts ranting
- no idea what he’s saying, sounds like Tamil and Singlish and Tourette’s
- gets in my face (not easy as I’m about a foot taller)
- starts shouting, makes out to throw a punch
- kicks me in the shin instead!
- have to give credit, that’s a decent misdirection
- grabs my hair (!!!) and starts whacking
- I’m grabbing onto him and trying to contain rather than hit back
- motherfucker is wiry as hell, breaks away, spits on my car and drives off!

Whole thing over in a couple of minutes, dozens of onlookers who of course do and say nothing

Contacted insurance company, drove home.

Sorry for the Facebook post but thought I’d ask the PR bush lawyers; any point in contacting police? Didn’t bother asking for a witness to verify, no real damage to car (a leaser) or myself.

Can only think that as this is a small place the chances of encountering this dude again are relatively high, should file a report anyway?

Yours sincerely,
naki


A concerned citizen actually recorded the incident, if you like to take it further

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhiNC9Wpf90


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:23 am 
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I reckon you've done something to piss him off and he's followed and couch shunted you on purpose.

The lull was just him considering whether to stab you or just go full Micheal Brial. Sounds like you got off lightly.

Have you checked the bushes outside?






In all seriousness you should call the cops, you've just been assaulted. I'm assuming cctv is pretty common over there on account of it being Singapore. Word round the campfire is they don't take kindly to that sort of thing.


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:24 am 
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rabble wrote:
naki wrote:
Just got into one, first physical altercation in maybe 10 years. Just bizarre.

Will keep it brief and hopefully just the highlights

- driving along Tanglin Road in SG, fairly busy stretch before main road
- get rearended by tailgater at lights
- pull off onto side road, tailgater doesn’t move
- he stays in his car at the lights, holding up traffic (maybe contemplating hitting-and-running)
- eventually pulls in behind me but stays in vehicle
- check both vehicles, barely a scratch on either
- guy eventually gets out and starts ranting
- no idea what he’s saying, sounds like Tamil and Singlish and Tourette’s
- gets in my face (not easy as I’m about a foot taller)
- starts shouting, makes out to throw a punch
- kicks me in the shin instead!
- have to give credit, that’s a decent misdirection
- grabs my hair (!!!) and starts whacking
- I’m grabbing onto him and trying to contain rather than hit back
- motherfucker is wiry as hell, breaks away, spits on my car and drives off!

Whole thing over in a couple of minutes, dozens of onlookers who of course do and say nothing

Contacted insurance company, drove home.

Sorry for the Facebook post but thought I’d ask the PR bush lawyers; any point in contacting police? Didn’t bother asking for a witness to verify, no real damage to car (a leaser) or myself.

Can only think that as this is a small place the chances of encountering this dude again are relatively high, should file a report anyway?

Yours sincerely,
naki


A concerned citizen actually recorded the incident, if you like to take it further

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhiNC9Wpf90


That’s inaccurate and mean


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:24 am 
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Does Sinkers have a lot of CCTV cameras?


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:25 am 
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PS naki : as for you personally, as bessantj said, glad you're ok... and feel frustrated for you such a fùcker did assaulted you, and that you, as a sensible and civilized guy, didn't turn it into a full fight... for you own good too : being armed or arming people in a street fight = shit stuff.

So you might feel quite frustated not to have physically answered enough to that agression (ie punched him fair and square), but unfortunatetly, in this world you made the right decision i think.

Nevertheless, be sure that i am personally wishing the fùcker a pancreatic cancer.


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
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RuggaBugga wrote:
I reckon you've done something to piss him off and he's followed and couch shunted you on purpose.

The lull was just him considering whether to stab you or just go full Micheal Brial. Sounds like you got off lightly.

Have you checked the bushes outside?






In all seriousness you should call the cops, you've just been assaulted. I'm assuming cctv is pretty common over there on account of it being Singapore. Word round the campfire is they don't take kindly to that sort of thing.


Yes CCTV has almost certainly covered part or all of it, though again I’m waiting for cvnting insurance company to advise of process


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
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Had something last week, probably my fault, I was crossing the road, text ping came in I had headphones on listening to music, look down at phone, look back up and an old bloke has stopped still as he saw me not watching,’sorry!’ I mouthed.
He went potty and rushed at me like clearing out a ruck!

I called him something that sounds like ‘plucking twunt ‘ and that was that.

Sat contemplating later, yes looking at your phone crossing the road is something of a dick move...


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Glad you're alright mate. Things like these really tempt me to buy a dash cam.


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
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Taranaki Snapper wrote:
Does Sinkers have a lot of CCTV cameras?


Yep, and if they make the footage available to me I feel obligated to post it on here. Fortunately no sound on those things, I feel I may have made some less than flattering noises


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
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naki wrote:
jolindien wrote:
not a lawyer of course, not an anglo either, but typical case of cùnt vs civilized.

would have been nice if any witnesses had given you address, just in case, cause he did actually hit you.

I thin you should go for the police to report that, maybe not a big thing, but a simple report officially somewhere in case the fùcker happens to cross you road again (and insist on that point and on the fact he physically hit you). This way you will have documents on that history, and he actually hit you already (once again).

The ending is pretty simple, if you're civilized, you won't hit the fùckers as a response and rather try to cut the crap, like you did.

Just a question, how did you make him go away as the fùcker was obvisouly hitting you physically and willing to (leg, hair etc) ?


Think I’m obligated to file a report as it was effectively a hit and run. Waiting for insurance company to advise.

I didn’t make him go away, he just broken free and scarpered - must have felt he’d made his point.

Relieved that he did, I had height, weight and reach advantage but this guy was doing some amateur Muay Thai shit and from the short exchange we had seemed like he would have kicked the shit out of me


Definitly need to report to the police, and tell them about that boxing/muaythai shit too in his intentional agression, i think that could be an aggravating fact (using academic fighting skills to attack people without provocation etc.), just in case.


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Glad you're alright mate. Things like these really tempt me to buy a dash cam.


Dash cam wouldn’t have been much help as it all happened at the rear of vehicle or away from it, but yes - dash cam is a great idea in general


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If it happened at a busy junction then it's likely that there are cameras pointed at it. Maybe worth seeing if you can access any VT?


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Had something last week, probably my fault, I was crossing the road, text ping came in I had headphones on listening to music, look down at phone, look back up and an old bloke has stopped still as he saw me not watching,’sorry!’ I mouthed.
He went potty and rushed at me like clearing out a ruck!

I called him something that sounds like ‘plucking twunt ‘ and that was that.

Sat contemplating later, yes looking at your phone crossing the road is something of a dick move...


He was a fellow pedestrian? Sounds like the bigger twat in this scenario by far.


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
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Ika would've boxjitsued the little fucker into next week.


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Wouldn't your insurance want a police reference number ?

I'd say report it, just to be sure.


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Cases like these illustrate the utility of the in-car camera.


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Ika would've boxjitsued the little fucker into next week.


:lol:

Anyone who could fight would have, I’d say. As I didn’t even throw a punch I’m not sure, he may have folded with a mere tap, but I don’t think my fighting style of “bear hug and shout in an awkward and confused manner” was leading towards a TKO.


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Ika would've boxjitsued the little fucker into next week.

Jesus, imagine what Jeff would have done to him in that case


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Ika would've boxjitsued the little fucker into next week.

Jesus, imagine what Jeff would have done to him in that case


He annoyed and frightened me, sure, but I don’t wish the bloke dead.


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Think you've got to report it naki.
Insurance probably won't do anything without a police report filed. Plus I hope the little Cnut gets a caning.


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
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naki wrote:
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Ika would've boxjitsued the little fucker into next week.


:lol:

Anyone who could fight would have, I’d say. As I didn’t even throw a punch I’m not sure, he may have folded with a mere tap, but I don’t think my fighting style of “bear hug and shout in an awkward and confused manner” was leading towards a TKO.


still, in the end the fact that you didn(t throw any punch or highkicks :D is a very good point to you. They can review the cams all the want an will see very straight agression from one side only, with you just trying to contain things.

But yeah, thinking of it more and more, that's a pure physical agression. Need a police report whatever the insurance says... you've been assaulted and you did nothing that could be misinterpreted it seems.

How is the police like in Singapore for expats like you ?


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Think you've got to report it naki.
Insurance probably won't do anything without a police report filed. Plus I hope the little Cnut gets a caning.


Cheers mate.

I don’t, that’s barbaric


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naki wrote:
Diego wrote:
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Ika would've boxjitsued the little fucker into next week.

Jesus, imagine what Jeff would have done to him in that case


He annoyed and frightened me, sure, but I don’t wish the bloke dead.


naki, you seem like a nice bloke despite being an anglo and a NZer (ouch)... so i'm wishing him dead (anal cancer this time) for you so you stay all clean.


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naki wrote:
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Ika would've boxjitsued the little fucker into next week.


:lol:

Anyone who could fight would have, I’d say. As I didn’t even throw a punch I’m not sure, he may have folded with a mere tap, but I don’t think my fighting style of “bear hug and shout in an awkward and confused manner” was leading towards a TKO.


still, in the end the fact that you didn(t throw any punch or highkicks :D is a very good point to you. They can review the cams all the want an will see very straight agression from one side only, with you just trying to contain things.

But yeah, thinking of it more and more, that's a pure physical agression. Need a police report whatever the insurance says... you've been assaulted and you did nothing that could be misinterpreted it seems.

How is the police like in Singapore for expats like you ?


Have no experience of them personally (though you often see the cadets on patrol in fours, tooled up and looking barely old enough to weild a BB gun)

Will probably just be annoyed at the paperwork


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jolindien wrote:
naki wrote:
Diego wrote:
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Ika would've boxjitsued the little fucker into next week.

Jesus, imagine what Jeff would have done to him in that case


He annoyed and frightened me, sure, but I don’t wish the bloke dead.


naki, you seem like a nice bloke despite being an anglo and a NZer (ouch)... so i'm wishing him dead (anal cancer this time) for you so you stay all clean.


Good man :thumbup:


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Good onya for not retaliating in kind. If you're bigger and winning when the cops roll up it can look pretty bad.

Think we've got the early footage of it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y34booaO2Ak


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Good onya for not retaliating in kind. If you're bigger and winning when the cops roll up it can look pretty bad.

Think we've got the early footage of it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y34booaO2Ak


:lol: those are some fantastic swears, heard that on a podcast somewhere but had never seen the footage. I wish my assailant had been that entertaining


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Jesus Naki...

glad you're ok. Having read Ika's interpretive capybara thread, you probably should have gone straight to ground and beaten him from there. Still, you'll know for next time. Sure as eggs, there's gonna be a next time, right? Because this guy, he's onto you so bad. How bad? Try triad bad. Mad bad.


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You should have taken him to the ground BJJ style, that would have been safest for you after that going over.

Sounds like a mentalist though, just unlucky to get a crazy person on a bad day.


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Jesus Naki...

glad you're ok. Having read Ika's interpretive capybara thread, you probably should have gone straight to ground and beaten him from there. Still, you'll know for next time. Sure as eggs, there's gonna be a next time, right? Because this guy, he's onto you so bad. How bad? Try triad bad. Mad bad.


I knew I should have read that thread.


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You should have taken him to the ground BJJ style


8) boom.

Obviously you were not one of the guys telling me my BJJ training would be useless in a "real fight".

And yeah, I agree - if you know what you're doing. Taking a dude to the ground isn't going to be that helpful if you're just as clueless as they are. The best thing about it in these kind of situations is, if you know what you're doing, you can totally subdue the guy without actually doing any damage that could wind you up in court or something.

Naki: sorry to hear about that experience. Must have been frightening as hell, although sounds like you handled it well. Dealing with someone who is obviously unhinged is scary because you just don't know what they're willing to do. Did you or anyone else get a number plate? Did you get contact details from any of the witnesses?

As a side-point, how f'n mental does a fellah have to be to tail-gate someone like a moron, rear-end them and then get out and act like it was all the other guys fault. Crazy shit.


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
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You should have taken him to the ground BJJ style


8) boom.

Obviously you were not one of the guys telling me my BJJ training would be useless in a "real fight".

And yeah, I agree. The best thing about it in these kind of situations is, if you know what you're doing, you can totally subdue the guy without actually doing any damage that could wind you up in court or something.

Naki: sorry to hear about that experience. Must have been frightening as hell, although sounds like you handled it well. Dealing with someone who is obviously unhinged is scary because you just don't know what they're willing to do. Did you or anyone else get a number plate? Did you get contact details from any of the witnesses?

As a side-point, how f'n mental does a fellah have to be to tail-gate someone like a moron, rear-end them and then get out and act like it was all the other guys fault. Crazy shit.



The clincher is the kick to the shin. This guy... he's f**kn loco.


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You should have taken him to the ground BJJ style, that would have been safest for you after that going over.

Sounds like a mentalist though, just unlucky to get a crazy person on a bad day.


That corner is known for a different kind of BJ.*






*geographically that joke doesn’t strictly work but the location is around 1km from the Orchard “four-floors-of-whores” Tower so I’m keeping it in


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
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You should have taken him to the ground BJJ style


8) boom.

Obviously you were not one of the guys telling me my BJJ training would be useless in a "real fight".

And yeah, I agree - if you know what you're doing. Taking a dude to the ground isn't going to be that helpful if you're just as clueless as they are. The best thing about it in these kind of situations is, if you know what you're doing, you can totally subdue the guy without actually doing any damage that could wind you up in court or something.

Naki: sorry to hear about that experience. Must have been frightening as hell, although sounds like you handled it well. Dealing with someone who is obviously unhinged is scary because you just don't know what they're willing to do. Did you or anyone else get a number plate? Did you get contact details from any of the witnesses?

As a side-point, how f'n mental does a fellah have to be to tail-gate someone like a moron, rear-end them and then get out and act like it was all the other guys fault. Crazy shit.


I was, it was a joke at your expense.


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 Post subject: Re: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:36 pm 
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naki, last stuff, just in case.

As said, civilized people not aiming to fight in any situation always get "surprised" and somehow stupefied by this kind of fùckers and situations, and that may put the "victim" in a strange state of "trauma", frustration, and powerlessness.
Of course, you don't want such a situation to happen, you're not a bully, you don't want to be killed or badly harmed in your everyday life, and you don't want to kill or harm a fùcker for real and to have to handle the consequences. So how could one feel, considering the fact that you couldn't and shouldn't react in the same level of agression, but still have to deal with the agression ? So frustrating.

My cousin who is a cop, deals on a daily basis with these shits and gets the same feeling of frustration and powerlessness so often. And he is a cop ! But they can't do to the fùckers what the fùckers do to them. They cope with abuses, being assaulted, and quite often being sued for harming the fùckers, and being asked money etc. so they have to deal with the justice and lawyers etc. being on the wrong side (agressor), fùckers being called "victim".
And, when the fùckers land their hits and the cops get harmed, and so may sue the fùckers in justice, said fùckers are obvisouly used to the shit and have no money so barely anything happen in the end.
My cousin is a cop, but he is no dirty harry (i mean i know him), and he really feels frustrated with all this mess, and more an more with the fùckers now aiming to threaten the cops in their everyday life (know where you live, know your kids, wife... all that shit).

Still, what he told me in case of a street fight, whether you can react and land some punch or not etc, and what self-defence coaches usually say too in that kind of situation, is : the aim is to get away from the fight and stop the shit before it's going bad.

So in the end, as frustrating and traumatic as it can be, you did well naki.


Funny : watch Ray Sefo interview about a fight in a crowd at a UFC where he was seating... even him was trying to get away from the mess :lol: :lol:
... it's here, crazy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV_IWwAg0tg&t=5m30s


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