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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:29 pm 
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Yep. Non-voting, especially from key Dem demographics like millennials and black men, did her in.


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No Joe Kennedy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tulsi2020/st ... 6670945280


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John Kerry reportedly weighing up another run, for reasons passing understanding.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/37 ... 020-report


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Interesting - first time I've seen anyone tout his name (apart from me) as a potential candidate. Coming as a first strike from someone pushing their own name forward maybe suggests he is getting some genuine consideration if there is felt a need to go on the attack so early..


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Xin wrote:
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Interesting - first time I've seen anyone tout his name (apart from me) as a potential candidate. Coming as a first strike from someone pushing their own name forward maybe suggests he is getting some genuine consideration if there is felt a need to go on the attack so early..


That's not Tulsi Gabbard's Twitter account Bones has linked to


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Yeah I thought that was obvious. But I can see how a quick glance would miss it.


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Chuckles1188 wrote:
Xin wrote:
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Interesting - first time I've seen anyone tout his name (apart from me) as a potential candidate. Coming as a first strike from someone pushing their candidate forward maybe suggests he is getting some genuine consideration if there is felt a need to go on the attack so early..


That's not Tulsi Gabbard's Twitter account Bones has linked to


Edited - coming from an account the promoting Tulsi as a candidate (just from its descriptor)


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The most popular politician in America rallying with Randy "Iron Stache" Bryce yesterday. Bryce is going to unseat Paul Ryan in November.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu1AxCd8HHk

People have to understand Bernie's popularity in that part of the country.


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Chuckles1188 wrote:
John Kerry reportedly weighing up another run, for reasons passing understanding.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/37 ... 020-report


Secret republican plant?


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Steve Bullock for President, Tulsi Gabbard for Vice President.

Will never happen, but a man can dream...


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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... oser-texas

The Democrats are paying for adverts to attack their own candidates I shit you not!


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Does Caroline Kennedy have any pull for a run at the White House?


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flaggETERNAL wrote:
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Sanders would have beaten Trump easily.
Many republican voters held their noses and voted for him only because the alternative was even worse.
That election was more about who people didn’t want in office, and Hillary was terrifying.

But this is the 2020 democratic nominee thread.
If he is fit The Bern will run.
If he runs The Bern will win the nomination.
FACT.

The Bern is also the most popular politician in the States.Wisconsin ,pensylvania and Michigan would be in the bag for him,some of of the swing states like Florida as well methinks.If he's still alive by then he would be the Democrats' best ticket to the WH :smug:


No no according to Clinton supporters it isn't possible.


If he does run, a lot of speculation would be on his vice-presidential pick because that person will have a very good chance of becoming the next president if Bernie dies in office.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:37 pm 
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Who is Caroline Kennedy?

Dying in office, we were told that about McCain in 2008. 10 years later...


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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/26/democratic-party-laura-moser-texas

The Democrats are paying for adverts to attack their own candidates I shit you not!


:lol: :lol: :lol: Fantastic!


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Who is Caroline Kennedy?

Dying in office, we were told that about McCain in 2008. 10 years later...


Assuming she's from the same Kennedy family. My gut feeling, based on nothing more that the American electorate rejecting Hillary and Jeb is that if she does run she'll get her arse handed to her.
And yeah, I realise Hilldag won the popular vote. She still lost though in places she could have/would have own.


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Caroline Kennedy is obviously someone otherwise I wouldn't have heard of her. Apparently she is the "baggage-free Hillary" according to the NY Post.


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I mean, I assumed she was from the Kennedy family but I hadn't heard of her in politics. I don't think any type of Hillary clone, with or without baggage, is what the electorate is looking for.


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eldanielfire wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/26/democratic-party-laura-moser-texas

The Democrats are paying for adverts to attack their own candidates I shit you not!

We are getting Republican self-attack adverts also, but their own work is damaging enough.

https://www.click2houston.com/video/kat ... ertisement


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I mean, I assumed she was from the Kennedy family but I hadn't heard of her in politics. I don't think any type of Hillary clone, with or without baggage, is what the electorate is looking for.


She did a reasonable job as US Ambassador in Japan but was helped by the Japanese public's love affair with the Kennedy family. Her being a long-legged attractive blonde certainly helped her with the public here too.


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flaggETERNAL wrote:
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Epic mantrum.

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Of course, there will still be those voters who snarl, “She didn’t earn my vote,” as if somehow their narcissism should override all other considerations in the election. That, however, is not what an election is about. Voters are charged with choosing the best person to lead the country, not the one who appeals the most to their egos.


Got that right bro. And I will do it again in 2020 if need be. :smug:


It's so tiring hearing about votes for 3rd party candidates led to Trump winning. Clinton won the popular vote which negates that. She just ran a poor campaign. And was a poor candidate for a myriad reasons.


I feel the same way when I hear Bernie people crying about how it was stolen from him by the DNC. Some how a black guy can beat the odds but not Bernie. I am getting ready for work and will be based ck to explain what is wrong in Fonz's theory and looking at 2020


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Mr Mike wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/26/democratic-party-laura-moser-texas

The Democrats are paying for adverts to attack their own candidates I shit you not!

We are getting Republican self-attack adverts also, but their own work is damaging enough.

https://www.click2houston.com/video/kat ... ertisement


I'm happy for the republican party to eat itself.


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There's no point even doing speculation til after the 2018 midterms.

Look at the most recent open candidate races this century and the going wisdom this far out was all almost entirely wrong.

About the most interesting thing I saw recently was John Kasich's comments the two-party system may be coming to an end.

Re Kennedy, I know politics in general has a lot of hypocrisy, but the Democrats champion themselves as party of the commoner, and yet we're bigging up something that owes all presence she has politically to her last name? Both parties do this way too much. The local Democratic Party where I'm at is this way. It seems they have two wings: the black wing, and then there's 3 to 4 white families who constantly show up as the ones that get elected/on boards/etc.


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About the most interesting thing I saw recently was John Kasich's comments the two-party system may be coming to an end.


It isn't. It's conceivable that the identity of the two parties might change, but as long as First Past The Post is the system by which elections are decided, two is the ceiling


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Chuckles1188 wrote:
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About the most interesting thing I saw recently was John Kasich's comments the two-party system may be coming to an end.


It isn't. It's conceivable that the identity of the two parties might change, but as long as First Past The Post is the system by which elections are decided, two is the ceiling


The issue is that both parties are so incredibly weak in most areas (Republicans - urban areas, Democrats - rural areas, small towns), that you could create a third party in there to push aside each party in those. If you're a Democrat in a city of 20k, chances are you're not winning, regardless of what happens. Ditto the Republican in the Bronx. If there was a party between the two on issues, it's going to be more likely to win than the Democrat. Ditto city Republicans. The state of each party is such that there's a lot of people upset with what they consider their "home party" but they would never consider voting for the other.

There's also the point of you could still be first past the post, but if one party doesn't field a candidate in a race, you're not splitting the vote as a third entity, and the one party not on the ballot, all their voters will vote for you. It's how some Libertarians get 25% in some congress races.

Here's my county for the 2018 elections and how things for now look in the general, we've closed candidate filing for the primaries a few weeks ago:

Countywide Positions: 5

2 contested, 3 Republican-only; a 3rd party could enter in those 3 and not split the vote

County Commission (legislature): 2 of the 3 districts up

1 contested, 1 Republican-only; a 3rd party could enter and not split the vote

County Council (finance): 4 of the 7 seats up

2 contested, 2 Republican-only

In the 15 county-level elections, a 3rd party could enter in 6 of them and not have any Democrat opposition.

In township-level races, it's 80% of the 20 (a few Democrat-only, but mostly Republican-only). And a candidate could automatically win a Board seat if he or she got on the ballot in some cases because you vote for 3 and there may be less than 3 candidates in smaller townships.

For the state legislature, of the 11 Senate and representative seats in my county, 4 of them had a person from both parties file.

And this is actually an improvement. More people have filed this year than most years.

The 2016 election made perfectly perfectly clear how weak and vulnerable both parties are. Donald Trump was not a Republican and won the Republican nomination for President. Bernie Sanders was and still is not a Democrat and gave party establishment uber-favorite Hillary Clinton far more of a fight than he had any right to, to the point that the Democratic National Committee got called out on favoring Hillary and their chair was forced to resign. The only reason they have any strength is tradition and ballot access.

The Democrats have far more rot than the Republicans do. Barack Obama during his presidency did not give a shit about the state parties, grassroots, or local elections, and it showed in election results (the Republicans then turned around and also elected for president someone that only cares about himself). All I really need to take over my local Democratic Party branch even in where I live which is a top 100 city for population, is about 25 people at a precinct meeting. That's not an exaggeration. The county Democrats are having precinct elections during the May primary, and out of 300+ precincts county-wide, 58 of them have candidate filings. The more rural county to the west my wife is from has 11 filings from 34 precincts, so there, all I need to take over the local Democrat branch is SIX PEOPLE! These precinct members vote on filling midterm vacancies for party members that were elected, and elect the county party leadership. So imagine what it's like in a not top 100 city or a county where Clinton lost by say 40 points. The Democrats are by fact dead in these places, just as the Republicans are by fact dead in the urban areas of the northeast.


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Deadtigers wrote:
flaggETERNAL wrote:
Bowens wrote:
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Epic mantrum.

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Of course, there will still be those voters who snarl, “She didn’t earn my vote,” as if somehow their narcissism should override all other considerations in the election. That, however, is not what an election is about. Voters are charged with choosing the best person to lead the country, not the one who appeals the most to their egos.


Got that right bro. And I will do it again in 2020 if need be. :smug:


It's so tiring hearing about votes for 3rd party candidates led to Trump winning. Clinton won the popular vote which negates that. She just ran a poor campaign. And was a poor candidate for a myriad reasons.


I feel the same way when I hear Bernie people crying about how it was stolen from him by the DNC. Some how a black guy can beat the odds but not Bernie. I am getting ready for work and will be based ck to explain what is wrong in Fonz's theory and looking at 2020


As FR pointed out, you're talking about an independent who ran against the party machine in Bernie. Not comparable to Obama. The only thing they have in common is being a better choice than Hillary Clinton. Obviously Obama won and Hillary lost, but what's interesting is that Trump grasped some of Bernie's populist momentum and used it to beat the DNC. But looking at some of their midterm candidates, I think they are slowly starting to see the light. They need to return to the roots the party was built on. The strong backing of Randy Bryce by the DCCC is a good sign. Richard Ojeda in West Virginia is another guy I have hopes for.

Here's a good article on some of the above, showing that working people in this country are waking up to their economic reality: http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/375 ... mp-country


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Good article on Ojeda today. It has implications for the 2020 candidate - if you want to win in the industrial Midwest and pick up voters in the south, they need to be able to relate to ordinary people. This was Hillary's biggest flaw.

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In hard red, Donald Trump-loving West Virginia, Ojeda has become a kind of one-man blue wave, threatening to defy a conventional belief that the only kind of Democrat that can win big races here—or anywhere, for that matter, in Appalachia or the industrial Midwest—is somebody like Joe Manchin, the most conservative Democrat in the United States Senate, a pragmatic, pro-business social conservative. Because here is Ojeda, a pro-labor, twang-talking, plainspoken populist, scrambling the state’s recent rightward shift by harkening back to a deeper, more radical vein of its rich political history. In the early 20th century, miners fought and died for higher wages and safer working conditions while wearing red bandanas and carrying Winchester rifles. Now, teachers are the new miners; in fact, in a place all but defined by its coal heritage, there are some 20,000 teachers and fewer than 12,000 miners, making the teachers—plus the 13,000 staff who walked off the job with them—by far the largest union in the state. And here, as I hustled after Ojeda into the bustling Capitol, the striking school employees weren’t armed—but many were dressed in red. And some of them had knotted around their necks those bandanas.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/amp/s ... one-217217
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Bowens wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
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Epic mantrum.

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Of course, there will still be those voters who snarl, “She didn’t earn my vote,” as if somehow their narcissism should override all other considerations in the election. That, however, is not what an election is about. Voters are charged with choosing the best person to lead the country, not the one who appeals the most to their egos.


Got that right bro. And I will do it again in 2020 if need be. :smug:


It's so tiring hearing about votes for 3rd party candidates led to Trump winning. Clinton won the popular vote which negates that. She just ran a poor campaign. And was a poor candidate for a myriad reasons.


I feel the same way when I hear Bernie people crying about how it was stolen from him by the DNC. Some how a black guy can beat the odds but not Bernie. I am getting ready for work and will be based ck to explain what is wrong in Fonz's theory and looking at 2020


As FR pointed out, you're talking about an independent who ran against the party machine in Bernie. Not comparable to Obama. The only thing they have in common is being a better choice than Hillary Clinton. Obviously Obama won and Hillary lost, but what's interesting is that Trump grasped some of Bernie's populist momentum and used it to beat the DNC. But looking at some of their midterm candidates, I think they are slowly starting to see the light. They need to return to the roots the party was built on. The strong backing of Randy Bryce by the DCCC is a good sign. Richard Ojeda in West Virginia is another guy I have hopes for.

Here's a good article on some of the above, showing that working people in this country are waking up to their economic reality: http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/375 ... mp-country


A. f**king. BLACK. GUY

Sorry, I refuse to grasp that Bernie had longer odds when he just jumped on board. I think it is a cop-out Bernie supporters make to act like he had the most uphill task in the world rather than admit their guy ran a poor campaign. He didn't have a civil justice message or a social justice message that made it thorough to people only Economic justice. I am sure you can find some crap on his website but I am talking about what people actually heard which was less than zero.


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I don't know what Obama's mixed background has to do with anything. There are a good number of people who voted for him and switched to Trump. They just hate the Clintons that much.


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I don't know what Obama's mixed background has to do with anything. There are a good number of people who voted for him and switched to Trump. They just hate the Clintons that much.


I am saying the idea that Bernie had it harder than Obama is absolutely ludicrous. It is a way of avoiding properly dissecting his campaign and all the way he failed. From antagonizing the DNC, cheating, poor messaging, starting late. All these things he did that made him a failed candidate but it is all excused because its Bernie. Meanwhile, Hillary is treated as a shitwitch who won't admit she lost cause sucked and if she says anything contrary it just confirms it.


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It's kind of ridiculous to think that Obama overcame overwhelming odds. Yes, first-ever African-American to win the nomination and presidency, but I saw fundraising reports the New York Times posted in mid-to-late 2007, before a single primary or caucus had taken place. Obama had as much fundraising from Manhattan (Big Business Central) as Senator from New York State Hillary Clinton did. The powerbrokers and big bucks in the party at that point were on board with him. The Congressional Black Caucus though didn't at first support him, they were a strong Bill Clinton constituency and were with Hillary until they realized that all their constituents were with Obama. (He was also helped by the John Edwards implosion and scandal resulting in all the anti-Hillary folks coalescing around him alone.) And once he won the nomination, that was an election going in you were expecting the Democrat to win, regardless of candidates due to the state of the country at that point in time. Throw in a divided Republican Party that didn't fully back their chosen candidate in McCain.

Clinton was an overwhelming favorite for a long time until Chris Dodd challenged her in a debate over her stance on ID cards, then Clinton stumbled for most of a minute over a response and that was the dent in her armor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0uHybfmmY I remember the next debate Wolf Blitzer of CNN went through everyone left-to-right on their stance on it, he got to Clinton whose entire response was "no", and he went to the next candidate. Completely disgraceful moment in the history of political debate moderation. Anyway, Hillary's flaws in 2008, Hillary's flaws in 2016.


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It's kind of ridiculous to think that Obama overcame overwhelming odds. Yes, first-ever African-American to win the nomination and presidency, but I saw fundraising reports the New York Times posted in mid-to-late 2007, before a single primary or caucus had taken place. Obama had as much fundraising from Manhattan (Big Business Central) as Senator from New York State Hillary Clinton did. The powerbrokers and big bucks in the party at that point were on board with him. The Congressional Black Caucus though didn't at first support him, they were a strong Bill Clinton constituency and were with Hillary until they realized that all their constituents were with Obama. (He was also helped by the John Edwards implosion and scandal resulting in all the anti-Hillary folks coalescing around him alone.) And once he won the nomination, that was an election going in you were expecting the Democrat to win, regardless of candidates due to the state of the country at that point in time. Throw in a divided Republican Party that didn't fully back their chosen candidate in McCain.

Clinton was an overwhelming favorite for a long time until Chris Dodd challenged her in a debate over her stance on ID cards, then Clinton stumbled for most of a minute over a response and that was the dent in her armor. The moderator then changed topics. I remember the next debate Wolf Blitzer of CNN went through everyone left-to-right on their stance on it, he got to Clinton whose entire response was "no", and he went to the next candidate. Completely disgraceful moment in the history of political debate moderation.


He was to the Democrats what Trump was to the Republicans in 2016, based on his positioning at the time - an almost magically-charismatic "outsider" (bearing in mind Dems are less nakedly anti-gov than Rs) promising change and to make Americans' lives better. Completely agree that any Democrat would have won the White House in 2008, Dubya was the least popular President of all time at that point and his administration and Congress were both awash in scandal. The hard yards for Obama were before 08 and even winning the nomination was something he was well placed for.


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Good article on Ojeda today. It has implications for the 2020 candidate - if you want to win in the industrial Midwest and pick up voters in the south, they need to be able to relate to ordinary people. This was Hillary's biggest flaw.

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In hard red, Donald Trump-loving West Virginia, Ojeda has become a kind of one-man blue wave, threatening to defy a conventional belief that the only kind of Democrat that can win big races here—or anywhere, for that matter, in Appalachia or the industrial Midwest—is somebody like Joe Manchin, the most conservative Democrat in the United States Senate, a pragmatic, pro-business social conservative. Because here is Ojeda, a pro-labor, twang-talking, plainspoken populist, scrambling the state’s recent rightward shift by harkening back to a deeper, more radical vein of its rich political history. In the early 20th century, miners fought and died for higher wages and safer working conditions while wearing red bandanas and carrying Winchester rifles. Now, teachers are the new miners; in fact, in a place all but defined by its coal heritage, there are some 20,000 teachers and fewer than 12,000 miners, making the teachers—plus the 13,000 staff who walked off the job with them—by far the largest union in the state. And here, as I hustled after Ojeda into the bustling Capitol, the striking school employees weren’t armed—but many were dressed in red. And some of them had knotted around their necks those bandanas.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/amp/s ... one-217217
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I have heard good things about this guy, from politico and other website. I don't like how he anglicized Oh-He-Da, but whatever. I hope Connor Lamb can do the same!

Btw, What do people think of Buttegeige? I think he has a bright future but he needs a middle step. From Mayor to Gov or National District Rep at the least. He ticks a lot of boxes, the only hang up is will the fact that he is gay, drum up enough hate on the right to stop him? After 2016, I never underestimate how much hate is a motivating factor to the right.

These guys are not for 2020 just about the Dem party in general.

I am surprise there is no thread on the WV teacher's strike. I think I will make one later today or tomorrow.


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I think Buttgeig is probably a future DNC chair. I like Lamb's policies mostly but he could be stronger on healthcare.

Larry Sabato just updated his crystal ball for the midterms. Paul Ryan's seat has been downgraded from "safe" for probably the first time in his political career.

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crysta ... democrats/


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I think Buttgeig is probably a future DNC chair. I like Lamb's policies mostly but he could be stronger on healthcare.

Larry Sabato just updated his crystal ball for the midterms. Paul Ryan's seat has been downgraded from "safe" for probably the first time in his political career.

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crysta ... democrats/


You really love Ironstache don't you. I see Lamb is now crushing his opponent. I think Lamb can be stronger on healthcare too but I don't think he is gonna make that public just yet.


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I'd love to see Elizabeth Warren in the White House. She's the real deal.


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I'd love to see Elizabeth Warren in the White House. She's the real deal.


I would want to see her head up labor or economic rights. She is a one trick pony but very good at the trick. She knows economics and I would love her to get on top of banks, bring back Glass-Stegall or strengthen Dodd-Frank. Get back to workers rights in retail and part-time work structure. That is what she is brilliant at, not sure about more than that.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:29 pm 
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Buttigieg is Mayor of South Bend. He has the same problem the mayor of my city which is larger than South Bend has: there's no regional position to promote into where he has a good chance of winning. Sure, he could do state legislature, but he has higher aspirations that that, otherwise he'd've never done that stuff for DNC chair. He'd never win statewide, maybe not even a primary (he's made waves or tried to in party circles nationally, not aware of him doing anything with the Indiana Democratic Party and I try to follow this stuff now), so governor and senator is out. That leaves Congress, and that seat is more up in the air now, but Buttigieg didn't choose to run for it, even in this climate.

This election, Democrat Senator Joe Donnelly is up for reelection, so no Democrats challenged him. So in 2020, Buttigieg could try and go for governor because the state Democrats at the moment have no bench and have exhausted their old guard of candidates.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:39 pm 
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Flyin Ryan wrote:
Buttigieg is Mayor of South Bend. He has the same problem the mayor of my city which is larger than South Bend has: there's no regional position to promote into where he has a good chance of winning. Sure, he could do state legislature, but he has higher aspirations that that, otherwise he'd've never done that stuff for DNC chair. He'd never win statewide, maybe not even a primary (he's made waves or tried to in party circles nationally, not aware of him doing anything with the Indiana Democratic Party and I try to follow this stuff now), so governor and senator is out. That leaves Congress, and that seat is more up in the air now, but Buttigieg didn't choose to run for it, even in this climate.

This election, Democrat Senator Joe Donnelly is up for reelection, so no Democrats challenged him. So in 2020, Buttigieg could try and go for governor because the state Democrats at the moment have no bench and have exhausted their old guard of candidates.


The Dems were so take your turn that there has been a weak bench nationally and in lots of states. Trump has been the Dem tea party movement and a lot of new voices are coming out the woodwork to really shake the party up. It is interesting to watch and gives me hope. Now we just need a GOP meltdown and rebuild and see if we can find some more decent people on that side of the isle.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:55 am 
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Flyin Ryan wrote:
Buttigieg is Mayor of South Bend. He has the same problem the mayor of my city which is larger than South Bend has: there's no regional position to promote into where he has a good chance of winning. Sure, he could do state legislature, but he has higher aspirations that that, otherwise he'd've never done that stuff for DNC chair. He'd never win statewide, maybe not even a primary (he's made waves or tried to in party circles nationally, not aware of him doing anything with the Indiana Democratic Party and I try to follow this stuff now), so governor and senator is out. That leaves Congress, and that seat is more up in the air now, but Buttigieg didn't choose to run for it, even in this climate.

This election, Democrat Senator Joe Donnelly is up for reelection, so no Democrats challenged him. So in 2020, Buttigieg could try and go for governor because the state Democrats at the moment have no bench and have exhausted their old guard of candidates.


The Dems were so take your turn that there has been a weak bench nationally and in lots of states. Trump has been the Dem tea party movement and a lot of new voices are coming out the woodwork to really shake the party up. It is interesting to watch and gives me hope. Now we just need a GOP meltdown and rebuild and see if we can find some more decent people on that side of the isle.


You ridiculed these same people less than 2 years ago because they were Sanders supporters. :lol: We can go back and find your posts on it.

Hey, if Democrats actually talk about issues that matter to the majority of the electorate, it'd be of benefit for everyone.


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