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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 11:50 am 
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So The Times is reporting that Quins are targeting Paul Gustard to take over from JK - and are prepared to buy anyone out of their contract. Hmm. So the list of targets is something like Gustard, Edwards, and uh Ben Ryan.

As a Quins fan I'd be pretty happy with that, but as an England fan I'd be pretty peeved.

Also, where's the cash coming from?

A couple of weeks ago I was reading articles about how you'd struggle to pay Kingston off?


The sugar daddy is rich, it's just the club appears to have been operating under a financial straitjacket for a while now. This is all speculation, but perhaps the threat of relegation has lit a few fires under a few backsides. Is ringfencing off the table again? I would've thought that would make Quins very nervous indeed.


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So The Times is reporting that Quins are targeting Paul Gustard to take over from JK - and are prepared to buy anyone out of their contract. Hmm. So the list of targets is something like Gustard, Edwards, and uh Ben Ryan.

As a Quins fan I'd be pretty happy with that, but as an England fan I'd be pretty peeved.

Also, where's the cash coming from?

A couple of weeks ago I was reading articles about how you'd struggle to pay Kingston off?


The sugar daddy is rich, it's just the club appears to have been operating under a financial straitjacket for a while now. This is all speculation, but perhaps the threat of relegation has lit a few fires under a few backsides. Is ringfencing off the table again? I would've thought that would make Quins very nervous indeed.


It only seems to have been raised seriously now that the right teams are in the Premiership - ie Bristol have managed not to f%ck up promotion and appear to have a squad that will enable to hang around this time. On that basis, I reckon the club owners’ clique will only allow ring-fencing to happen when it’ll fence out one of LI or Wuss; nothing for Quims to worry about!


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It only seems to have been raised seriously now that the right teams are in the Premiership - ie Bristol have managed not to f%ck up promotion and appear to have a squad that will enable to hang around this time. On that basis, I reckon the club owners’ clique will only allow ring-fencing to happen when it’ll fence out one of LI or Wuss; nothing for Quims to worry about!

Well you recon wrong as ring fencing is firmly off the table as there's no desire to block any of those clubs from the top table.


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Lancaster, Farrell and Cockhead have had good seasons haven't they


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Lancaster, Farrell and Cockhead have had good seasons haven't they


Cockhead yes, the other two have fallen lucky as assistants to talented sides.

Gustard and quins, i don't think he'll leave england 1 year out from the RWC?


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Lancaster gets a huge amount of praise from the Leinster players. Best coach etc.

I think it's his best role, rather than being a head of something.


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Lancaster, Farrell and Cockhead have had good seasons haven't they


Cockhead yes, the other two have fallen lucky as assistants to talented sides.

Gustard and quins, i don't think he'll leave england 1 year out from the RWC?


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Lancaster, Farrell and Cockhead have had good seasons haven't they


Cockhead yes, the other two have fallen lucky as assistants to talented sides.

Gustard and quins, i don't think he'll leave england 1 year out from the RWC?

Farrell got a lot of stick from people for "picking" the team and intimidating Lancaster. Did any of the 4 people in the selection meetings every confirm this. It seemed at the time the people on this thread were just making shit up.


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Lancaster gets a huge amount of praise from the Leinster players. Best coach etc.

I think it's his best role, rather than being a head of something.

He clearly wasn't equipped to be England head coach at the time he was ridiculously given the job. I'd still like to see him put his hand up to be the head guy for a club side. The one the camera focuses on instead of the one sitting behind in the shade


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Lancaster gets a huge amount of praise from the Leinster players. Best coach etc.

I think it's his best role, rather than being a head of something.

He clearly wasn't equipped to be England head coach at the time he was ridiculously given the job. I'd still like to see him put his hand up to be the head guy for a club side. The one the camera focuses on instead of the one sitting behind in the shade


It's the same as the swarm really, "look at this great guy you ejits let go". Leinster and Ireland are stacked with top class players, it's a reasonably easy gig- and today they squeaked past Racing who were missing their halfbacks.


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All the comments from the players are about how Lancaster gave them the belief that they could be good again. I mean, seriously - what? Furlong was amazed when Lancaster told him he could be a Lion that year. What? Highly rated new international tighthead becomes Lion when there's barely a decent tighthead in the 6 Nations? Hardly some major shock.

I'm sure he's a fine coach, that's never been in question, but the actual praise doesn't make a huge amount of sense. It seems to be mostly based on the psychological side of things, and I can't really believe that Leinster were thinking they were shite and incapable of winning anything.

It's Lancaster's perfect job, he gets to commute a couple of times a week to Dublin, gets to do what he wants, doesn't have to make non-coaching decisions, isn't making any personnel calls, etc. We all knew he was an excellent development guy.


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Lancaster gets a huge amount of praise from the Leinster players. Best coach etc.

I think it's his best role, rather than being a head of something.

He clearly wasn't equipped to be England head coach at the time he was ridiculously given the job. I'd still like to see him put his hand up to be the head guy for a club side. The one the camera focuses on instead of the one sitting behind in the shade


It's the same as the swarm really, "look at this great guy you ejits let go". Leinster and Ireland are stacked with top class players, it's a reasonably easy gig- and today they squeaked past Racing who were missing their halfbacks.

I agree with them to an extent. He was a talented coach who was over promoted and had to be sacked. He took the international experience with him to his next job and he has thrived at a lower level without the pressure of being the man. Where they are talking out of their holes is when they say England should have kept him on.


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Agree with you both, he’s well qualified to do age group etc. The head coach stuff is just massive revisionism- the England players weren’t glowing over him.


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Lancaster, Farrell and Cockhead have had good seasons haven't they


Cockhead yes, the other two have fallen lucky as assistants to talented sides.

Gustard and quins, i don't think he'll leave england 1 year out from the RWC?

Farrell got a lot of stick from people for "picking" the team and intimidating Lancaster. Did any of the 4 people in the selection meetings every confirm this. It seemed at the time the people on this thread were just making shit up.


Numerous sources reported it. Billy Vunipola was actually reported as saying it. The mainstream media had severla articles on the fall-out, Farrell-Catt fighting, Lancaster's distance, Farrell bullying etc.


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In the post match interview, Lancaster was the first person Sexton was crediting the win to. The first. Before any of the other players or staff - even Cullen only got a mention for being "brave enough" to bring Lancaster into the fold

The list of people raving about Lancaster's coaching is becoming longer and longer - Sexton, JGP, Furlong, Heaslip, SOB, Henshaw and so on. Some of them are saying he's one of the best coaches they've ever played under

I know people like Dragster and RodneyRetard have backed themselves into a corner with the "Lancaster is a complete spoofer" stuff but either the Irish players and fans are on a collective windup or he might actually be a half decent coach


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Yep his record speaks for itself.

This is an interesting new hobbyhorse for you OC, should be fun but I do expect better.


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In the post match interview, Lancaster was the first person Sexton was crediting the win to. The first. Before any of the other players or staff - even Cullen only got a mention for being "brave enough" to bring Lancaster into the fold

The list of people raving about Lancaster's coaching is becoming longer and longer - Sexton, JGP, Furlong, Heaslip, SOB, Henshaw and so on. Some of them are saying he's one of the best coaches they've ever played under

I know people like Dragster and RodneyRetard have backed themselves into a corner with the "Lancaster is a complete spoofer" stuff but either the Irish players and fans are on a collective windup or he might actually be a half decent coach


:thumbup:

Massive influence, obviously.


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Yep his record speaks for itself.

This is an interesting new hobbyhorse for you OC, should be fun but I do expect better.



Does it? As Head coach his record is woeful. Relegated Leeds and embarrassing for England. Everyone knows he's a good development coach but when in charge it's a different matter and he has been found wanting. It's not like he's the first ever coach who has been exposed at test level and it's easy to win when you have the best side and many of the rivals are having a under performing season.


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Yep his record speaks for itself.

This is an interesting new hobbyhorse for you OC, should be fun but I do expect better.



Does it? As Head coach his record is woeful. Relegated Leeds and embarrassing for England. Everyone knows he's a good development coach but when in charge it's a different matter and he has been found wanting. It's not like he's the first ever coach who has been exposed at test level and it's easy to win when you have the best side and many of the rivals are having a under performing season.


You may be suffering a woosh!


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Lancaster, Farrell and Cockhead have had good seasons haven't they


Cockhead yes, the other two have fallen lucky as assistants to talented sides.

Gustard and quins, i don't think he'll leave england 1 year out from the RWC?

Farrell got a lot of stick from people for "picking" the team and intimidating Lancaster. Did any of the 4 people in the selection meetings every confirm this. It seemed at the time the people on this thread were just making shit up.


Numerous sources reported it. Billy Vunipola was actually reported as saying it. The mainstream media had severla articles on the fall-out, Farrell-Catt fighting, Lancaster's distance, Farrell bullying etc.

Farrell and Lancaster denied it and made the point there were only 4 people in the selection meetings. Themselves Mike Catt and Rowntree. Sounds more like a case of people believing Farrell must have to much influence so it becomes a fact that he selected the team. Unless Billy Vunipola was hiding behind the curtains. Although I have had a look and can't actually find anything where Billy says that

Andy Farrell interview


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Talk of cipriani to sale with diamond keen?


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The word is Cips to Glaws, now.


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Lancaster, Farrell and Cockhead have had good seasons haven't they


Cockhead yes, the other two have fallen lucky as assistants to talented sides.

Gustard and quins, i don't think he'll leave england 1 year out from the RWC?

Farrell got a lot of stick from people for "picking" the team and intimidating Lancaster. Did any of the 4 people in the selection meetings every confirm this. It seemed at the time the people on this thread were just making shit up.


Numerous sources reported it. Billy Vunipola was actually reported as saying it. The mainstream media had severla articles on the fall-out, Farrell-Catt fighting, Lancaster's distance, Farrell bullying etc.

Farrell and Lancaster denied it and made the point there were only 4 people in the selection meetings. Themselves Mike Catt and Rowntree. Sounds more like a case of people believing Farrell must have to much influence so it becomes a fact that he selected the team. Unless Billy Vunipola was hiding behind the curtains. Although I have had a look and can't actually find anything where Billy says that

Andy Farrell interview


It's a bit of a strawman the believe all decisions and interactions about the first team is confined to a selection room. Have you never played rugby before? The coaches speak about the team with the tactics on the training pitch, players, how else do they prepare plays or positioning for defense or set-pieces?

If Lancaster or Catt is saying "we'll do this play using x,y,z's skills" and Farrell is coaching a different tactic that uses other players abilites, the players can suss what is going on. The supposed undermining and arguments also related to the teams play. As I said Farrell and Catt where battling each over on how the team should function, that obviously goes on in training in front of the players.


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The word is Cips to Glaws, now.


If Glaws had a 10 like Cips at the weekend they wouldn’t have been rolled over. I can see why they would be in the market.


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Some are reporting it's a done deal. Fantastic signing for Glaws if true, could really take the attacking style that Ackermann wants to another level.


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The word is Cips to Glaws, now.


If Glaws had a 10 like Cips at the weekend they wouldn’t have been rolled over. I can see why they would be in the market.


Has Burns Jr sputtered? There was some talk that he'd be better than Freddie.


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The word is Cips to Glaws, now.


If Glaws had a 10 like Cips at the weekend they wouldn’t have been rolled over. I can see why they would be in the market.


Has Burns Jr sputtered? There was some talk that he'd be better than Freddie.


He's pretty much the same player, very talented but also very flakey.


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Some are reporting it's a done deal. Fantastic signing for Glaws if true, could really take the attacking style that Ackermann wants to another level.


Agreed. If the Cipriani rumours are true and they have Mostert and van Rensburg arriving as well, they could challenge for the play-offs IMO.


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I like burns jr, good steady club 10.


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I like burns jr, good steady club 10.


He has his moments. The kick for Trinders try on Friday was world class but then went missing in the 2nd half, he's that kind of player.


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I like burns jr, good steady club 10.


He has his moments. The kick for Trinders try on Friday was world class but then went missing in the 2nd half, he's that kind of player.

I’m a little baffled that it’s possible to go missing at 10. But my recollection of the 2003 semi final Aus-NZ is that Spencer managed to do a disappearing act half way through the game there.


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Burns Jr is a cracking little player, far superior to his brother. I'd back him to keep Cips on the bench if they were in competition for a starting spot


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If Cips goes to Glaws, does that mean Akerman has dispensed with Owen Williams from his plans?


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Supposedly Haskell to Saints will be announced tomorrow (well, today now)


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Burns Jr is a cracking little player, far superior to his brother. I'd back him to keep Cips on the bench if they were in competition for a starting spot

That's the kiss of death on the youngster then.


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Supposedly Haskell to Saints will be announced tomorrow (well, today now)


Bizarre move for Saints considering they’re already over stocked with flankers.


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Apparently Glaws are releasing Owen Williams to the Dragons to make room for Cips. Good signing for them :thumbup:
Becoming a bit concerned with our recruitment though. Apparently we've now been beaten to both Cips and Van Rensburg by Gloucester, and there's precious little chatter about who else we're signing apart from Mike Williams. The lads on the Sale podcast are also convinced that the Jackson deal is still on. Would rather we just leave well alone now, especially with the statement and subsequent denials from Diamond. If we went through with it now it just makes us look like bare-faced liars x(


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Apparently Glaws are releasing Owen Williams to the Dragons to make room for Cips. Good signing for them :thumbup:
Becoming a bit concerned with our recruitment though. Apparently we've now been beaten to both Cips and Van Rensburg by Gloucester, and there's precious little chatter about who else we're signing apart from Mike Williams. The lads on the Sale podcast are also convinced that the Jackson deal is still on. Would rather we just leave well alone now, especially with the statement and subsequent denials from Diamond. If we went through with it now it just makes us look like bare-faced liars x(


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"We're not allowed to speak to players before January 1, that's a principle we stick to," said Diamond. "Maybe you should ring those players up yourselves and speak to them? There's no done deal."


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On April 17, Director of rugby Steve Diamond strongly denied our Fissler Files story reporting the Sharks had secured the signing of both the Australian international and Spingboks scrum-half Faf de Clerk.

At the time the Sale boss claimed he “hadn’t spoken to either players and he didn’t know where the specualtation came from.”


It's not as though there's no history.


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I like burns jr, good steady club 10.


He has his moments. The kick for Trinders try on Friday was world class but then went missing in the 2nd half, he's that kind of player.


Quite. The game cried out for the half backs to take control of tempo and territory but Burns failed to do that (much as I like him) and Braley's kicking was poor. Gloucester threw the game away, I thought, aided by some very poor officiating.


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Cips to Gloucester confirmed on BBC. Cips RJVR Trinder would be a pretty terrifying combination


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