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3.1b surplus expected to rise to 7b by 2022. Excellent job by National.


In convincing labour they need to play by their rules? Yes, agreed.


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3.1b surplus expected to rise to 7b by 2022. Excellent job by National.


In convincing labour they need to play by their rules? Yes, agreed.



That is about as boring a budget as you can get

It's like one of Nationals during the GFC


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3.1b surplus expected to rise to 7b by 2022. Excellent job by National.



What??????????????????????????????

I Demand My $11Bn hole.

Or was that another lie? Who am I kidding, of course it freaking was


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So are they doing all of the extra spending they promised?


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THE POLICIES:

• Health: $3.2 billion injection over four years, including $2.2b more for DHBs and $126m for elective surgeries and other areas. $750m for hospital upgrades and rebuilds.

• Cheaper doctor visits for more than 500,000 people. Free GP visits extended to 13-year-olds (56,000 more children). About 540,000 people eligible for Community Services cards will get $20 to $30 cheaper GP visits. Cost $385 m.

• Midwives: $112m more for community midwives, including 8.9 per cent fee increase to level them with DHB midwives.

• Housing: $3.8b to build 6400 more state houses by 2022 and $170m for emergency housing. Insulation subsidies for low-income families. HNZ to borrow $3b.

• Education: $395 million to build new schools and classrooms. Includes $62 million for Christchurch schools rebuild and $332m nationwide.

• Education: $650m for schools. Includes $204m more for a 1.6 per cent increase to schools' operational funding and to cover school roll growth.

• $370m to fund 1500 new teacher places 2021 ($70m more than National funded).

• Early childhood education: $590m to fund more places and a 1.6 per cent funding increase for ECE centres from January 2019.

• Police: $300 mill for 920 more police officers and 240 support staff.

• Defence: $367.7m in extra operating funding to the Defence and Veterans portfolios over the next four years, underpinned by an extra $324.1m for the NZDF operating budget. Also, $42.3m in new capital funding for modernisation.


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Enzedder wrote:
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3.1b surplus expected to rise to 7b by 2022. Excellent job by National.



What??????????????????????????????

I Demand My $11Bn hole.

Or was that another lie? Who am I kidding, of course it freaking was


They've buried all the borrowing in the books of Crown entities. Very sneky


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It shouldn't remain unsaid that much of this surplus is a result of wage inflation and Labour are refusing to adjust the income tax brackets. In 2017 a person on the mean income pays about $1000 more tax each year than a person on the mean income in 2010. People most people are pushing well into the second-highest tax bracket which starts at a lowly $48,000. Many are also hitting the top bracket at just $70k and would by no means consider themselves rich.

It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant


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It shouldn't remain unsaid that much of this surplus is a result of wage inflation and Labour are refusing to adjust the income tax brackets. In 2017 a person on the mean income pays about $1000 more tax each year than a person on the mean income in 2010. People most people are pushing well into the second-highest tax bracket which starts at a lowly $48,000. Many are also hitting the top bracket at just $70k and would by no means consider themselves rich.

It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant


The government is committed to bringing down debt. You need a surplus to achieve that.


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deadduck wrote:
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3.1b surplus expected to rise to 7b by 2022. Excellent job by National.



What??????????????????????????????

I Demand My $11Bn hole.

Or was that another lie? Who am I kidding, of course it freaking was


They've buried all the borrowing in the books of Crown entities. Very sneky


That’s a treasury call and, according to their presentation today, is how they’ve always done it.


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THE POLICIES:

• Health: $3.2 billion injection over four years, including $2.2b more for DHBs and $126m for elective surgeries and other areas. $750m for hospital upgrades and rebuilds.

• Cheaper doctor visits for more than 500,000 people. Free GP visits extended to 13-year-olds (56,000 more children). About 540,000 people eligible for Community Services cards will get $20 to $30 cheaper GP visits. Cost $385 m.

• Midwives: $112m more for community midwives, including 8.9 per cent fee increase to level them with DHB midwives.

• Housing: $3.8b to build 6400 more state houses by 2022 and $170m for emergency housing. Insulation subsidies for low-income families. HNZ to borrow $3b.

• Education: $395 million to build new schools and classrooms. Includes $62 million for Christchurch schools rebuild and $332m nationwide.

• Education: $650m for schools. Includes $204m more for a 1.6 per cent increase to schools' operational funding and to cover school roll growth.

• $370m to fund 1500 new teacher places 2021 ($70m more than National funded).

• Early childhood education: $590m to fund more places and a 1.6 per cent funding increase for ECE centres from January 2019.

• Police: $300 mill for 920 more police officers and 240 support staff.

• Defence: $367.7m in extra operating funding to the Defence and Veterans portfolios over the next four years, underpinned by an extra $324.1m for the NZDF operating budget. Also, $42.3m in new capital funding for modernisation.


How much of this will be a real increase in services as opposed to keeping up with increased costs and demands? Is there a breakdown of that?


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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It shouldn't remain unsaid that much of this surplus is a result of wage inflation and Labour are refusing to adjust the income tax brackets. In 2017 a person on the mean income pays about $1000 more tax each year than a person on the mean income in 2010. People most people are pushing well into the second-highest tax bracket which starts at a lowly $48,000. Many are also hitting the top bracket at just $70k and would by no means consider themselves rich.

It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant


The government is committed to bringing down debt. You need a surplus to achieve that.


The two aren't mutually exclusive

There's been a lot of talk from Labour about the squeeze on middle NZ, alleviating bracket creep is one thing the Govt could do with the stroke of a pen.


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How much of this will be a real increase in services as opposed to keeping up with increased costs and demands? Is there a breakdown of that?


No idea. It's all over the media at the moment so there will be a breakdown somewhere.

The $300 million for Christchurch became official today though.


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THE POLICIES:

• Health: $3.2 billion injection over four years, including $2.2b more for DHBs and $126m for elective surgeries and other areas. $750m for hospital upgrades and rebuilds.

• Cheaper doctor visits for more than 500,000 people. Free GP visits extended to 13-year-olds (56,000 more children). About 540,000 people eligible for Community Services cards will get $20 to $30 cheaper GP visits. Cost $385 m.

• Midwives: $112m more for community midwives, including 8.9 per cent fee increase to level them with DHB midwives.

• Housing: $3.8b to build 6400 more state houses by 2022 and $170m for emergency housing. Insulation subsidies for low-income families. HNZ to borrow $3b.

• Education: $395 million to build new schools and classrooms. Includes $62 million for Christchurch schools rebuild and $332m nationwide.

• Education: $650m for schools. Includes $204m more for a 1.6 per cent increase to schools' operational funding and to cover school roll growth.

• $370m to fund 1500 new teacher places 2021 ($70m more than National funded).

• Early childhood education: $590m to fund more places and a 1.6 per cent funding increase for ECE centres from January 2019.

• Police: $300 mill for 920 more police officers and 240 support staff.

• Defence: $367.7m in extra operating funding to the Defence and Veterans portfolios over the next four years, underpinned by an extra $324.1m for the NZDF operating budget. Also, $42.3m in new capital funding for modernisation.


How much of this will be a real increase in services as opposed to keeping up with increased costs and demands? Is there a breakdown of that?


Indeed, the $3.2 billion for health over four years is pretty much the same as the much maligned Jonathan Coleman achieved in last year's budget, unless this is on top of that?


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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deadduck wrote:
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It shouldn't remain unsaid that much of this surplus is a result of wage inflation and Labour are refusing to adjust the income tax brackets. In 2017 a person on the mean income pays about $1000 more tax each year than a person on the mean income in 2010. People most people are pushing well into the second-highest tax bracket which starts at a lowly $48,000. Many are also hitting the top bracket at just $70k and would by no means consider themselves rich.

It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant


The government is committed to bringing down debt. You need a surplus to achieve that.


The two aren't mutually exclusive

There's been a lot of talk from Labour about the squeeze on middle NZ, alleviating bracket creep is one thing the Govt could do with the stroke of a pen.


They could, but lessening the tax burden is not seen as a priority for this government. That was made abundantly clear at the election with Labour campaigning on increased spending on social services and national campaigning on tax cuts.


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How much of the top up last year was the pay equity settlement?


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Bracket adjustments aren't tax cuts, they just maintain status quo. Without them, taxpayers face ever increasing tax burdens. That's unfair on taxpayers and unreasonable from the government.
In 2 years time in the run up to the next election when Ardern and Robertson are crowing about Labour's economic management it might well be possible that about 40% of NZ earners are paying in the top tax bracket.


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Bracket adjustments aren't tax cuts, they just maintain status quo. Without them, taxpayers face ever increasing tax burdens. That's unfair on taxpayers and unreasonable from the government.
In 2 years time in the run up to the next election when Ardern and Robertson are crowing about Labour's economic management it might well be possible that about 40% of NZ earners are paying in the top tax bracket.


You’re right, but in the political world you’re wrong. Ongoing funding never takes inflation into account. Instead, the govt of the day announces the “new” funding to much fanfare. It’s the same for taxes. Why give up an opportunity to claim a win for your government?

The greens supported indexing funding to inflation (chasing the moral high ground again). Doubt they’d go as far as to index tax brackets though, even though it’s simply the other side of the coin.


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How much of this will be a real increase in services as opposed to keeping up with increased costs and demands? Is there a breakdown of that?


No idea. It's all over the media at the moment so there will be a breakdown somewhere.

The $300 million for Christchurch became official today though.


Woot!

Proper breakdowns always seem to be hard to find when politics is involved.


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THE POLICIES:

• Health: $3.2 billion injection over four years, including $2.2b more for DHBs and $126m for elective surgeries and other areas. $750m for hospital upgrades and rebuilds.

• Cheaper doctor visits for more than 500,000 people. Free GP visits extended to 13-year-olds (56,000 more children). About 540,000 people eligible for Community Services cards will get $20 to $30 cheaper GP visits. Cost $385 m.

• Midwives: $112m more for community midwives, including 8.9 per cent fee increase to level them with DHB midwives.

• Housing: $3.8b to build 6400 more state houses by 2022 and $170m for emergency housing. Insulation subsidies for low-income families. HNZ to borrow $3b.

• Education: $395 million to build new schools and classrooms. Includes $62 million for Christchurch schools rebuild and $332m nationwide.

• Education: $650m for schools. Includes $204m more for a 1.6 per cent increase to schools' operational funding and to cover school roll growth.

• $370m to fund 1500 new teacher places 2021 ($70m more than National funded).

• Early childhood education: $590m to fund more places and a 1.6 per cent funding increase for ECE centres from January 2019.

• Police: $300 mill for 920 more police officers and 240 support staff.

• Defence: $367.7m in extra operating funding to the Defence and Veterans portfolios over the next four years, underpinned by an extra $324.1m for the NZDF operating budget. Also, $42.3m in new capital funding for modernisation.


How much of this will be a real increase in services as opposed to keeping up with increased costs and demands? Is there a breakdown of that?


Indeed, the $3.2 billion for health over four years is pretty much the same as the much maligned Jonathan Coleman achieved in last year's budget, unless this is on top of that?


I would imagine it's on top of that unless Coleman's was a series of one offs rather than a general budget increase?


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It's hard to sift through the appropriation documents. Looking at the tertiary education one, I see an increase for the government subsidy for teaching delivery. John Gerritsen on the other hand looks at the same document and sees no increase. He'll know vastly more what he's looking at, so I'm sure he's right - so is there an increase or not? Is there not an increase as an increase was already locked in from the last budget? Or perhaps the rate per student is flat but the number of students is increasing?

Any picks for the next polytech to fold?


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It's hard to sift through the appropriation documents. Looking at the tertiary education one, I see an increase for the government subsidy for teaching delivery. John Gerritsen on the other hand looks at the same document and sees no increase. He'll know vastly more what he's looking at, so I'm sure he's right - so is there an increase or not? Is there not an increase as an increase was already locked in from the last budget? Or perhaps the rate per student is flat but the number of students is increasing?

Any picks for the next polytech to fold?


9 times out of 10 the detail is hidden beneath appropriation level. Government docs are amazingly comprehensive and just as amazingly short on actual useful information.


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It shouldn't remain unsaid that much of this surplus is a result of wage inflation and Labour are refusing to adjust the income tax brackets. In 2017 a person on the mean income pays about $1000 more tax each year than a person on the mean income in 2010. People most people are pushing well into the second-highest tax bracket which starts at a lowly $48,000. Many are also hitting the top bracket at just $70k and would by no means consider themselves rich.

It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant


They should increase the tax rate. Better yet, they should increase the tax rate from whatever amount you are earning. That sounds fair.


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It shouldn't remain unsaid that much of this surplus is a result of wage inflation and Labour are refusing to adjust the income tax brackets. In 2017 a person on the mean income pays about $1000 more tax each year than a person on the mean income in 2010. People most people are pushing well into the second-highest tax bracket which starts at a lowly $48,000. Many are also hitting the top bracket at just $70k and would by no means consider themselves rich.

It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant


They should increase the tax rate. Better yet, they should increase the tax rate from whatever amount you are earning. That sounds fair.


Raise the tax brackets?

They can't

That is what national electioneered on. Raising the low and middle tax brackets

Labour twisted it to tax cuts for the rich (as they get the same lower money untaxed)

Cynical, but it means they cant


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I’m sure it’s all happy days and flowers and Shit

Did smokes and petrol go up ?

Any help for the village of the damned to get a big new footy shed ?


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It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant



I’ve got a startling new idea, how about spend it on social services and society ?

I realise that it might not excite as a few more bucks in your pocket DD , but I’m sure you’ll survive the trauma.

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Perhaps if they addressed bracket creep, at least at the lower levels, there wouldn't be quite as much need for social services and the working poor might be a bit better off.


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You can’t really buy services that don’t exist.


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Perhaps if they addressed bracket creep, at least at the lower levels, there wouldn't be quite as much need for social services and the working poor might be a bit better off.



As I pointed out they can't

They have already called bracket changes tax cuts to the rich


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Perhaps if they addressed bracket creep, at least at the lower levels, there wouldn't be quite as much need for social services and the working poor might be a bit better off.



As I pointed out they can't

They have already called bracket changes tax cuts to the rich


That’s because they are. They are tax cuts for everyone.


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Perhaps if they addressed bracket creep, at least at the lower levels, there wouldn't be quite as much need for social services and the working poor might be a bit better off.


An extra 10 bucks per week or functioning health and education sectors.

Tough choice.


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Perhaps if they addressed bracket creep, at least at the lower levels, there wouldn't be quite as much need for social services and the working poor might be a bit better off.


An extra 10 bucks per week or functioning health and education sectors.

Tough choice.


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It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant



I’ve got a startling new idea, how about spend it on social services and society ?

I realise that it might not excite as a few more bucks in your pocket DD , but I’m sure you’ll survive the trauma.

🙄


You guys do realise what a surplus means right?
The govt isn't allocating it to health, education or social services . Your arguments are total strawmen


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Perhaps if they addressed bracket creep, at least at the lower levels, there wouldn't be quite as much need for social services and the working poor might be a bit better off.


As we've been told a dozen times or more here, the working poor don't pay any tax anyway. Is that not correct now?


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Perhaps if they addressed bracket creep, at least at the lower levels, there wouldn't be quite as much need for social services and the working poor might be a bit better off.


As we've been told a dozen times or more here, the working poor don't pay any tax anyway. Is that not correct now?


I think the argument has been that they don't "effectively" pay any tax as they get it back in other benefits such as working for families (We'll leave aside the debate about the inefficiency of taking money off people and making them apply for it back as that has been done to death in the past.)

Addressing bracket creep at the lower end won't address or solve all of our social issues by any stretch of the imagination. As I think Eug was alluding to it won't make more or better housing available, but it's another step in the right direction. It could mean school lunches, new shoes, raincoat etc for kids currently in need for example. As long as they apply the same principles to where assistance starts anyway and don't say "your rich now so get nothing."

But even if it ended up meaning so real increase in income (in which case it would be cost neutral to the government as they would be saving benefits) I suspect it would be better for people's self esteem.


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Perhaps if they addressed bracket creep, at least at the lower levels, there wouldn't be quite as much need for social services and the working poor might be a bit better off.



As I pointed out they can't

They have already called bracket changes tax cuts to the rich


That’s because they are. They are tax cuts for everyone.


Except the truly rich who are unlikely to be paying income tax.


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It shouldn't remain unsaid that much of this surplus is a result of wage inflation and Labour are refusing to adjust the income tax brackets. In 2017 a person on the mean income pays about $1000 more tax each year than a person on the mean income in 2010. People most people are pushing well into the second-highest tax bracket which starts at a lowly $48,000. Many are also hitting the top bracket at just $70k and would by no means consider themselves rich.

It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant


They should increase the tax rate. Better yet, they should increase the tax rate from whatever amount you are earning. That sounds fair.


Raise the tax brackets?

They can't

That is what national electioneered on. Raising the low and middle tax brackets

Labour twisted it to tax cuts for the rich (as they get the same lower money untaxed)

Cynical, but it means they cant


The set of income tax rate cuts National made in 2010, when you factor in GST being raised from 12.5% to 15% at the same time, only benefited those earning $80k +.


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It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant



I’ve got a startling new idea, how about spend it on social services and society ?

I realise that it might not excite as a few more bucks in your pocket DD , but I’m sure you’ll survive the trauma.

🙄

I think there is a middle ground here. DD does have a point that the tax brackets could move up. Conversely, yep, let's see what needs fixing, and more importantly how well the fixes work, before happily declaring the government's so rich it doesn't need as much income. It won't hurt that the tax brackets stay in place for a couple more years and the government looks to make ground in areas that they felt were neglected under National... after all that's what they are in for.

Curiously though there was a key fund manager thinking Labour might run a deficit. Not sure how this working in terms of expectations of the NZ$ which has been steadily dropping again.


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deadduck wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:
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Perhaps if they addressed bracket creep, at least at the lower levels, there wouldn't be quite as much need for social services and the working poor might be a bit better off.


An extra 10 bucks per week or functioning health and education sectors.

Tough choice.


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It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant



I’ve got a startling new idea, how about spend it on social services and society ?

I realise that it might not excite as a few more bucks in your pocket DD , but I’m sure you’ll survive the trauma.

🙄


You guys do realise what a surplus means right?
The govt isn't allocating it to health, education or social services . Your arguments are total strawmen


The surplus is not allocated, but more funding is going to social services as the split is different.

Nationals plan was to provide tax cuts and pay down debt to a specific target through surpluses higher surpluses.

Labour scrapped the tax cuts, delayed the debt target and opted to spend more money on social services. When labour says 3.1b to health, what do you think that means exactly? The budget includes information on funding and, for memory, it’s basically a third from cancelled tax cuts, a third from delayed debt target, and a third from revenue forecasts increasing.


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Flockwitt wrote:
eugenius wrote:
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It's all well and good for Robertson to crow about surpluses but that's basically admitting that the tax take is too high. Give it back Grant



I’ve got a startling new idea, how about spend it on social services and society ?

I realise that it might not excite as a few more bucks in your pocket DD , but I’m sure you’ll survive the trauma.

🙄

I think there is a middle ground here. DD does have a point that the tax brackets could move up. Conversely, yep, let's see what needs fixing, and more importantly how well the fixes work, before happily declaring the government's so rich it doesn't need as much income. It won't hurt that the tax brackets stay in place for a couple more years and the government looks to make ground in areas that they felt were neglected under National... after all that's what they are in for.

Curiously though there was a key fund manager thinking Labour might run a deficit. Not sure how this working in terms of expectations of the NZ$ which has been steadily dropping again.


Lol

Um no

They are in because Winston decided he wanted them in

The same as if he had picked National

Trying to make out it was some sort of call from the people for a tide of change is pushing it.


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If it was up to me, I would've put an extra $5 billion into Education and $5 billion into Health and an extra $3 billion into Housing. Most of the problems solved there.


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Absolutely savage takedown of Nathan Guy here.

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Back in 2017 Guy dithered when the disease was found in a farm owned by rich-listers. I suspect it was all kept secret and quick and decisive action held up while compensation was being negotiated. It is interesting to see how compensation seems to be the only issue over the Mycoplasma bovis outbreak that has taxed the mind of Guy last year when he was minister, and now in Opposition.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/05/mitch-mccann-a-tale-of-two-portfolios.html

As always, Guy and his mates in the National party look out, and cover up, for rich listers. Everyone else pays.

Just how much damage did the John Key government do? I think we are only just beginning to find out…


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