Oh well that's alright. We'll be okay in the end.

Or be that woman who throws her shit around in the shop. Just as likely.

Oh grow up, she's a remainer.

The New Zealanders are negotiating on behalf of the Aussies now it seems. Anyway this is good news as we are staying in the customs union it seems.

Fox said "should", and he said that for a reason qualifying it with “The only reason that we wouldn’t come to a free and open agreement is because politics gets in the way of economics”.

Nearly all the other quotes are spot on. The German car bosses were right on to Merkel, note comments immediately after the vote, she then appealed for them to back her (i.e. stay schtum during negotiations). Gove is right that a deal can be concluded over 4 years. Any deal without FoM thrown in is a better trade deal (Carswell). Redwood is right that the UK does hold cards, but whether they're being played well by PM is another question (they aren't).

The real issue is that the majority Remainer Parliament is broadly against Brexit, as are the PM & Chancellor at heart so those in favour of Brexit in the UK are fighting Remainers domestically and in Europe. Their negotiating hands are tied by what they can get through Parliament. However, it'll all have to shake out again whether it's through a leadership election, a General Election or even a Second Referendum. Brexiteers need not fear any of this, the Brexit genie is out of the bottle and with EU plans now openly apparent the UK's future does not lie within the EU.

It's funny the way all those quotes use conditionals such as can, could, would and should.....

Almost as if the idiots saying them didn't actually believe them to be feasible or indeed true.

That would be a miscalculation imo. Brexiteers generally don't fear leaving, they want it quite vehemently and no-deal is more popular than transition amongst Leavers. A soft leave post-transition would be viewed as a betrayal, and the stage would be set for the next battle over full extraction. Knowing this, a lot of Brexiteer politicians are in "get it over the line" mode, prepared to swallow a lot of temporary measures just to make it happen taking the view that all bets are off post-March. The likes of Farage are already talking about breaking whatever deal is agreed, "renegotiation" Trump-style. Like you however, I think leaving could be thwarted by remainers before then (though this too would prove temporary imo subject to fierce and enduring backlash).

There was this poll a few pages back that blissfully ignored out of convenience and that was stated that only 36% of people wanted out of the CU.

was the poll binary ?

4 different choices as far as I can remember.

What was the % saying stay in the CU ?

Cant remember.

I know what you are trying to do here.

, come on the poll is your premise you should be able to defend its contents and your message ...

I did not post the poll, I think Rugby 2023 did. Just commented on it. I am not looking back for it

I didn't say the poll was posted by you, I said the "premise" regarding the poll was yours and defendable. I guess this is just anothe "la soule" post we can ignore because even the poster doesn't understand their point.

The irony of commentators having a go at Labour and the Tories being screwed is neither have enjoyed the consistently high poll ratings they both have had for the past year since the pro-Iraq Blair days. Both can win a majority with only a small swing. It's been all the other parties who are fecked. Everything else is just media narratives and the bonkers expectation management.

The irony of commentators having a go at Labour and the Tories being screwed is neither have enjoyed the consistently high poll ratings they both have had for the past year since the pro-Iraq Blair days. Both can win a majority with only a small swing. It's been all the other parties who are fecked. Everything else is just media narratives and the bonkers expectation management.

Just search for it yourself you lazy git

The pity is that everybody was so quick to put the boot into nick clegg imo.

Remember kids, as you stare in wonderment at the swathes of pink on that world wall map: the sun never sets on Little Norway.

As those politics seem to be FoM you seem to be in a chicken and egg situation.
Which comes first as a right, or should all be exactly equal ?
An EU business investor investing in UK, or an EU business investor visiting UK to invest in business, or an EU investor visiting the business he has invested in.
Similarly for the investors EU employees.

I do not see any post referendum appeals from Merkel to German car bosses or vice versa. Do you have any links ?

Gove said the timescale was to the next election. Well that one failed miserably, they didn't even get started. You are in fact saying, we have 4 more years. Welcome to Hotel California.

If any deal is better than one with FoM, why the hell are all the Brexiteers continually whingeing about the EU being plums.
Get your facts right, you either want a deal or not.

So if Redwood holds all the cards, why wasn't he considered for PM ? How exactly would he have done the negotiation ?

The real problem has always been that nobody in the UK wants the same deal as the next person, and therefore cannot decide how to move ahead. All we see are grandstanders who do not understand what they ask for, and do not care of consequences, as long as they are re-elected with a majority. Tossers like you encourage them.

Yup, trying to maintain plausible deniability for when it all falls apart. How long have they been at this nonsense now and there is sweet FA of anything concrete. The British politicians are still as divided as ever about what it is they want. Until they figure that out we are going around in circles

I see Boris wants a Brexit plane now.

This Gove vs Hammond leak is like something directly out of Yes Prime Minister. Will you Tory lot ever stop carrying on and get down to doing the job you are handsomely paid for?

Is there a plane that looks like a huge penis?

They are building the prototype for him.....

Fixed

The Lib Dems spent decades putting the boot into the other parties form unrealistic vantage points knowing they would almost never be in government and thus not needing realistic positions. He's also gone against Lid Dem philosophy in opposing the referendum. Lib Dems are supposed to be about more public power, not telling the public "You are all morons, we'll ignore what you say". He's a massive two faced hypocrite.

I genuinely thought that was a typo and you meant to type plan. Him, disgraced defence minister Koch sucker and David Davis are more embarrassing than Englands euro 2016 campaign.

Yeah he’s lost his way- but they were the 3rd party.

Clegg became a drinker.

He can’t have his own views and vision as leader of a Party?

What you mean is that the Lib Dems had their first proper opportunity in decades at power. They were the opposition before that. Opposition is opposition.

A proper opportunity which was rejected absolutely by the electorate last year ? That sort of opportunity ?

Nick 'EU army is a dangerous fantasy" Clegg got served by his own Sheffield constituents.

been away from this thread for a few weeks - whats the latest news in this perpetually exploding clowns car, aka Brexit?

has the NI border guards farce been discussed here yet? Apparently adverts were placed for Northern Ireland border guards, with the condition that applicants must have a British passport ..... which ruled out about half a million nationalists in NI who (under the GFA) have legally chosen to have Irish passports instead.

Adverts promptly pulled as they were discriminatory under the Belfast Agreement ..... you couldn't make this shit up if you tried

Have you bothered to consider that the EU couldn’t give a fudge? The only harm caused is self inflicted harm by the UK on the UK.

Looks like hmrc as well as Mark Carney are both lacking patriotism and "crying Wolf" according to the Daily Express. If we can get Boris his own plane he will be able sort it out as he did with the lady in iran, the garden bridge, the channel bridge and the floating airport.

Yeah you're right destroying the UK market is why the EU is so keen on keeping us in the customs union.

Carney said something unpatriotic about Canada?

Imagine how proud Boris would be, walking down the steps of his red, white and blue plane waving his Blue passport.

Brexit is likely to be a bit of a disaster in most areas, but at least he'd be happy and it might make up for not being PM which seemed to be his original objective?