Rugby2023 wrote:
Leinster in London wrote:
Gospel wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:
These EU plums are really a bunch of shameless, hypocritical, corrupt and disgraceful bastards. I'd say let's get ready to walk away. EU don't control the UK like they du with Ireland. I hope May is ready to tell these plums to f off.
No chance of properly preparing for a no deal option with Hammond as Chancellor.
Or the fact that we were told a deal with the EU is the easiest deal in the world
Fox said "should", and he said that for a reason qualifying it with “The only reason that we wouldn’t come to a free and open agreement is because politics gets in the way of economics”.
Nearly all the other quotes are spot on. The German car bosses were right on to Merkel, note comments immediately after the vote, she then appealed for them to back her (i.e. stay schtum during negotiations). Gove is right that a deal can be concluded over 4 years. Any deal without FoM thrown in is a better trade deal (Carswell). Redwood is right that the UK does hold cards, but whether they're being played well by PM is another question (they aren't).
The real issue is that the majority Remainer Parliament is broadly against Brexit, as are the PM & Chancellor at heart so those in favour of Brexit in the UK are fighting Remainers domestically and in Europe. Their negotiating hands are tied by what they can get through Parliament. However, it'll all have to shake out again whether it's through a leadership election, a General Election or even a Second Referendum. Brexiteers need not fear any of this, the Brexit genie is out of the bottle and with EU plans now openly apparent the UK's future does not lie within the EU.
As those politics seem to be FoM you seem to be in a chicken and egg situation.
Which comes first as a right, or should all be exactly equal ?
An EU business investor investing in UK, or an EU business investor visiting UK to invest in business, or an EU investor visiting the business he has invested in.
Similarly for the investors EU employees.
I do not see any post referendum appeals from Merkel to German car bosses or vice versa. Do you have any links ?
Gove said the timescale was to the next election. Well that one failed miserably, they didn't even get started. You are in fact saying, we have 4 more years. Welcome to Hotel California.
If any deal is better than one with FoM, why the hell are all the Brexiteers continually whingeing about the EU being plums.
Get your facts right, you either want a deal or not.
So if Redwood holds all the cards, why wasn't he considered for PM ? How exactly would he have done the negotiation ?
The real problem has always been that nobody in the UK wants the same deal as the next person, and therefore cannot decide how to move ahead. All we see are grandstanders who do not understand what they ask for, and do not care of consequences, as long as they are re-elected with a majority. Tossers like you encourage them.