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ASSISTANT HEAD COACH/FORWARDS COACH: STEVE BORTHWICK


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I’m actually on the verge of going from Eddie fanboi to full on samshark remoaner.

Struggling to keep the faith here.


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Not sure what people are surprised about. Eddie is very consistent. Unless you fell for his post 6N mea culpa about trusting the youngsters more.


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I kinda ignore what comes out of his mouth- I just can’t fathom the selections or structure we’re playing.
A) stress testing the team
B) Gustard has fûcked us
C) Eddie has suffered a mild stroke
D) borthwick building a pack in his image
E) calm down


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Not sure what people are surprised about. Eddie is very consistent. Unless you fell for his post 6N mea culpa about trusting the youngsters more.


Is "consistent" usually used as a synonym for "stubborn"?


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In The Times today they're reporting that England held a 'crisis meeting' over indiscipline and the compounding effect it has.

Other highlights were Stephen Jones calling Robshaw the 'great untouchable' in a sarcastic way, implying he'd never be dropped from the team.


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Not sure what people are surprised about. Eddie is very consistent. Unless you fell for his post 6N mea culpa about trusting the youngsters more.


"Robshaw isn't a 7"


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Not sure what people are surprised about. Eddie is very consistent. Unless you fell for his post 6N mea culpa about trusting the youngsters more.


"Robshaw isn't a 7"


Something he said before taking charge. Once he actually became England coach he obviously changed his mind about Robshaw's suitability for test rugby, and the real problem was he went from considering Robshaw at 7 a good emergency option to being a live choice to start multiple matches.

Eddie is usually really predictable. And yes, stubborn.


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JM2K6 wrote:
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JM2K6 wrote:
Not sure what people are surprised about. Eddie is very consistent. Unless you fell for his post 6N mea culpa about trusting the youngsters more.


"Robshaw isn't a 7"


Something he said before taking charge. Once he actually became England coach he obviously changed his mind about Robshaw's suitability for test rugby, and the real problem was he went from considering Robshaw at 7 a good emergency option to being a live choice to start multiple matches.

Eddie is usually really predictable. And yes, stubborn.


Stubborn yes, but consistent about what he says he isn't.


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Launch is apparently fit, Genge broken and off for a scan.


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eldanielfire wrote:
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eldanielfire wrote:
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Not sure what people are surprised about. Eddie is very consistent. Unless you fell for his post 6N mea culpa about trusting the youngsters more.


"Robshaw isn't a 7"


Something he said before taking charge. Once he actually became England coach he obviously changed his mind about Robshaw's suitability for test rugby, and the real problem was he went from considering Robshaw at 7 a good emergency option to being a live choice to start multiple matches.

Eddie is usually really predictable. And yes, stubborn.


Stubborn yes, but consistent about what he says he isn't.


I'm not sure I agree. What he said when writing newspaper columns is basically irrelevant. With England he's been pretty consistent.

Though he's changed from "it's all about winning" to something more flexible now the side is losing.


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Launch is apparently fit, Genge broken and off for a scan.


Former pleeeeeeease, latter not good.


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Launch fit means Shields at 6 or Robshaw to retain?


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Launch fit means Shields at 6 or Robshaw to retain?


Very tough to call. I'd guess either a 6/2 split, or Shields on the bench and the Shields/Hughes combo again, with Isiekwe dropping out entirely.

I'd be tempted with the 6/2 split myself, with Isiekwe on the bench, along with Robshaw and Hughes.


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Jake, do you know if the training sessions are still blasting the players, or has Jones gone a bit easier?


The only inside track I have is from a former England god of war who will remain nameless who visited PHP during the build up and suggested the atmosphere was like a morgue.


Perhaps the players thought he was being brought in to coach defence.


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Jake, do you know if the training sessions are still blasting the players, or has Jones gone a bit easier?


The only inside track I have is from a former England god of war who will remain nameless who visited PHP during the build up and suggested the atmosphere was like a morgue.


Perhaps the players thought he was being brought in to coach defence.


:P couldn’t do any worse!


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When is team announced? thursday 12pm?


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I kinda ignore what comes out of his mouth- I just can’t fathom the selections or structure we’re playing.
A) stress testing the team
B) Gustard has fûcked us
C) Eddie has suffered a mild stroke
D) borthwick building a pack in his image
E) calm down


In Times Owen Slot report quoted Hatley saying - hopefully ironically - that Blunder wick had been charged with reviving Isiekwe's spirits. :shock: Poor bastard may never play test rugby again if thats the cure Yoda believes is appropriate


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I kinda ignore what comes out of his mouth- I just can’t fathom the selections or structure we’re playing.
A) stress testing the team
B) Gustard has fûcked us
C) Eddie has suffered a mild stroke
D) borthwick building a pack in his image
E) calm down


In Times Owen Slot report quoted Hatley saying - hopefully ironically - that Blunder wick had been charged with reviving Isiekwe's spirits. :shock: Poor bastard may never play test rugby again if thats the cure Yoda believes is appropriate


:lol:

What’s borthwick going to say? Study the line out more closely?

Worst mentor ever.


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Portcullis Irish wrote:
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I kinda ignore what comes out of his mouth- I just can’t fathom the selections or structure we’re playing.
A) stress testing the team
B) Gustard has fûcked us
C) Eddie has suffered a mild stroke
D) borthwick building a pack in his image
E) calm down


In Times Owen Slot report quoted Hatley saying - hopefully ironically - that Blunder wick had been charged with reviving Isiekwe's spirits. :shock: Poor bastard may never play test rugby again if thats the cure Yoda believes is appropriate
:lol: enjoying 'Blunderwick', he hasn't copped enough shit on here since his England playing days


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He was a useless plum. Carried like bambi on Valium.


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He was a useless plum. Carried like bambi on Valium.

That's harsh. Bambi's body position was decent


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He was a useless plum. Carried like bambi on Valium.

That's harsh. Bambi's body position was decent


With more leg drive.


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He was a useless plum. Carried like bambi on Valium.

That's harsh. Bambi's body position was decent


:lol:


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He was a useless plum. Carried like bambi on Valium.

That's harsh. Bambi's body position was decent


If Borthwick is coaching body height into contact then that explains Nathan Hughes entirely


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Launch fit means Shields at 6 or Robshaw to retain?


He could play Shields at 8 and have BV as an impact sub. Billy clearly isn't test match fit more than about 30 mins.

We'll still see a flanker at Lock, at some point during the game.


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Launch fit means Shields at 6 or Robshaw to retain?


He could play Shields at 8 and have BV as an impact sub. Billy clearly isn't test match fit more than about 30 mins.

We'll still see a flanker at Lock, at some point during the game.
Will he go the full 'Andy Robinson' and have Shields at 8 and Hughes at 6?

Odds on having a flanker at lock and a lock at flanker simultaneously?


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It would be entirely sensible to play shields at 8- no idea what he’ll do though.


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It would be entirely sensible to play shields at 8- no idea what he’ll do though.
My guess is we're going to see more than a couple of people out of their regular position... Just thinking about it… last week, at various points we had:

A wing/ centre at full back Daly)
A full back at wing (Brown)
A flanker at lock (Shields)
Two 10s at centre (at different points – Farrell and Francis)
Whatever Slade is at 13, but he mostly plays 13 now I think (?)
For once, we didn’t have a 6 at 7, and I don’t *think* we had a lock at flanker – but neither of those would have been out of the ordinary for Eddie
And this week a 10 (Cips) at 15 wouldn’t surprise me, nor would Loz anywhere from 10-15

When Eddie started, selection – by form and position – seemed to be where he was doing so much better than his predecessors. Coincidence that selection and results have both gone to shit simultaneously?


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It would be entirely sensible to play shields at 8- no idea what he’ll do though.
My guess is we're going to see more than a couple of people out of their regular position... Just thinking about it… last week, at various points we had:

A wing/ centre at full back Daly)
A full back at wing (Brown)
A flanker at lock (Shields)
Two 10s at centre (at different points – Farrell and Francis)
Whatever Slade is at 13, but he mostly plays 13 now I think (?)
For once, we didn’t have a 6 at 7, and I don’t *think* we had a lock at flanker – but neither of those would have been out of the ordinary for Eddie
And this week a 10 (Cips) at 15 wouldn’t surprise me, nor would Loz anywhere from 10-15

When Eddie started, selection – by form and position – seemed to be where he was doing so much better than his predecessors. Coincidence that selection and results have both gone to shit simultaneously?


Francis is a 12 who can play 10 in a pinch, really. And yes, Slade is a 13 these days.


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The twitter suggests Ashton on his way back to England? Brizzle?


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The twitter suggests Ashton on his way back to England? Brizzle?


He'll be a great option for us at outside centre [/Eddie]


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The twitter suggests Ashton on his way back to England? Brizzle?


He'll be a great option for us at outside centre [/Eddie]


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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:lol: :lol:

I'm not going to make any jokes myself - the mockers took full notice of my Brown comment last week :uhoh:


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Eddie's selections have been poor for a while now. He often picks out of form players and in form players out of position.

I'm no international coach/manager, but I have captained and managed teams - initial selection was to pick my best players in their best position and work from there. Sure, 'best' can be a subjective thing taking into account form/experience/character etc. Sometimes you have a lack of quality in one position and surplus in others, but playing players out of position is almost always a bad idea (more so at elite level).

Team below is not what Eddie will pick:

Marler
George
Sinckler
Launch
Itoje
Shields
Curry
Billy
Youngs
Ford
Daly
Farrell
Slade
May
Brown

Mako
LCD
Williams
Isiekwe
Simmons
Spencer
Solomona


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Eddie's selections have been poor for a while now. He often picks out of form players and in form players out of position.

I'm no international coach/manager, but I have captained and managed teams - initial selection was to pick my best players in their best position and work from there. Sure, 'best' can be a subjective thing taking into account form/experience/character etc. Sometimes you have a lack of quality in one position and surplus in others, but playing players out of position is almost always a bad idea (more so at elite level).

Team below is not what Eddie will pick:

Marler
George
Sinckler
Launch
Itoje
Shields
Curry
Billy
Youngs
Ford
Daly
Farrell
Slade
May
Brown

Mako
LCD
Williams
Isiekwe
Simmons
Spencer
Solomona


It would be just like Eddie to decide he doesn’t need a full bench; arrogant sod :x

(Tbf that’s exactly the first XV I’d pick!)


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:lol: :lol:

I'm not going to make any jokes myself - the mockers took full notice of my Brown comment last week :uhoh:


You’re on a yellow :frown:


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Homer wrote:
Eddie's selections have been poor for a while now. He often picks out of form players and in form players out of position.

I'm no international coach/manager, but I have captained and managed teams - initial selection was to pick my best players in their best position and work from there. Sure, 'best' can be a subjective thing taking into account form/experience/character etc. Sometimes you have a lack of quality in one position and surplus in others, but playing players out of position is almost always a bad idea (more so at elite level).

Team below is not what Eddie will pick:

Marler
George
Sinckler
Launch
Itoje
Shields
Curry
Billy
Youngs
Ford
Daly
Farrell
Slade
May
Brown

Mako
LCD
Williams
Isiekwe
Simmons
Spencer
Solomona


It would be just like Eddie to decide he doesn’t need a full bench; arrogant sod :x

(Tbf that’s exactly the first XV I’d pick!)


Mako and Williams to start, would have had Genge on bench if not injured, Sinks seems much better as an impact player.

So my bench would be
Marler, LCD, Sinks, Isiekwe, Simmonds, Robson, Cips, Woodward


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Madness wrote:
Joost wrote:
Homer wrote:
Eddie's selections have been poor for a while now. He often picks out of form players and in form players out of position.

I'm no international coach/manager, but I have captained and managed teams - initial selection was to pick my best players in their best position and work from there. Sure, 'best' can be a subjective thing taking into account form/experience/character etc. Sometimes you have a lack of quality in one position and surplus in others, but playing players out of position is almost always a bad idea (more so at elite level).

Team below is not what Eddie will pick:

Marler
George
Sinckler
Launch
Itoje
Shields
Curry
Billy
Youngs
Ford
Daly
Farrell
Slade
May
Brown

Mako
LCD
Williams
Isiekwe
Simmons
Spencer
Solomona


It would be just like Eddie to decide he doesn’t need a full bench; arrogant sod :x

(Tbf that’s exactly the first XV I’d pick!)


Mako and Williams to start, would have had Genge on bench if not injured, Sinks seems much better as an impact player.

So my bench would be
Marler, LCD, Sinks, Isiekwe, Simmonds, Robson, Cips, Woodward


Williams made a big impact off the bench...

I think in general, front row look good coming off the bench, since they know they'll have 15-20 minutes tops. I don't think it's a big surprise that George hasn't looked as good since starting, compared to what he was doing coming off the bench.


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Not sure what people are surprised about. Eddie is very consistent. Unless you fell for his post 6N mea culpa about trusting the youngsters more.


Is "consistent" usually used as a synonym for "stubborn"?

Only by the habitually polite.

In respect of Eddie, 'consistent' takes the value 'absurdly fecking pig-headed'.


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