and it continues.

Some very pertinent questions raised by Chris Trotter:



https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/10/23/missing/

You just can’t commit someone like that , unless they are a serious harm to themelves or others .

I’ll pick the 1/2’s brain when she gets home from locum but it all seems very fishy indeed .

You’ve just answered your own question. There is no conspiracy here.

Newsroom reported he was committed after an incident at his electorate office?

Conspiracy back on.

He’d have to be seriously suicidal.

I’ve rung Psych Emergency on many occasions for clients that appear way way off the rails .

Only on very rare occasions are they ever ‘sectioned’.

Police involvement is kept to a minimum.

Having a sitting MP stood aside under provisions within the Mental Health Act or guidelines is unprecedented. That MP being in the middle of an unprecedented whistleblowing / scuttling exercise is troubling, to use a political euphemism.

It's a terrible look for everyone involved and of course mud is going to be thrown at National regardless of whether it's warranted or not.

So based on those sort of crude outlines, there is a public interest in having the details revealed... but patient confidentiality and common decency prohibit disclosure. It would be good to see some clarification of the nature of his committal into care revealed, who did it and what prompted that drastic action. Beyond that, details of whatever he may have said or done would ideally remain private.

There's a real dilemma here between public interest and patient privacy... and my money says the latter will be used shamelessly to avoid disclosure, just as prior issues involving his behaviour were accommodated while it suited the party to do so.

What this is going to turn into is a graphic demonstration of how not to deal with issues surrounding mental health, with JLR for all his apparent faults being used as a pawn or commodity while everyone watching gets to see mental health further demonised rather than handled with some care and honesty as far as is appropriate.


It's a really bad turn of events on so many levels and I reckon we lack anyone of fibre and talent to tackle it from within the parliament.

We're unlikely to ever know the details behind why he was sectioned, nor should we.

My wife is a DAO (Duly Authorized Officer) and can kick off the whole process of having someone committed. It's a fairly vigorous process for obvious reasons and does often involve the police if the person involved is being sectioned against their will.

Obviously, however something in this supplied timeline seems abit off.

I was careful to suggest there's no need to expose the details of the precise circumstances behind the sectioning but this is a sitting MP in obvious direct conflict with his party, and he's been removed. Those circumstances need explaining transparently without exposing the patient...the fuss over the Waka jumping bill suggests there is some concern for parties removing MPs they don't like... this is a whole other level and dammit, the public has a right to know.

The elephant in the room , and there is one, is what JLR was party to, knew [and presumably backed up] who,when & where repeated cash 'donations' came from.

If there is a conspiracy , and I'm inclined to believe there is, then a modest amount of deduction leads to a very large entity with a track record of stuff like this , all over the world.

Preferred PM:
Jacinda Ardern - 42%
Simon Bridges - 7%

Call a snap election Jacinda, and turf Winston out

Ardern must be gutted

National down only 2% after the week from hell



And this

Predicted state of the economy next year
Better State – 33% (down 6%)
Worse State – 41% (up 6%)

Momentum can be a tricky thing. Let's see how this course tracks over the next few weeks.

Auckman - thanks bro.

Anyone else notice something not quite right with that poll?

Slightly embarrassing I would think

Indeed. It's Māori not Maori

Add the numbers up

Apparently they work out percentages of 101%

Welcome to rounding without decimal points.

Kiaora to that cuzzie.

TBF you can use either ... just don't use that aa that Tainui like.

Dark is taking this week of the Nats meltdown so badly he's reaching for anything.

Then One News is a bit shit an it's bit misleading

Labour might be on 44.5% and National 43.4%

It is a sensible move, but will need some hardship discretions to avoid unduly harsh outcomes (for immigrants and kiwis alike). Despite being marketed as aimed at immigrants, it will also impact long term fleewees, so I assume there will be some consideration of whether they have access to foreign superannuation funds.

More interesting is the philosophical crack it opens on entitlements generally. If NZ citizens are denied access to superannuation on the basis that they weren’t in the country during their most productive years, then it leads (as it already is online) to a discussion of net contributions. In reality a number of expat kiwis will be less of a net drain on the nation’s resources than long term resident kiwis who don’t pay tax.

There is a lot to like about the broad consensus MMP produces on issues like these.

It would be more misleading to fudge the result to equal 100. You’re clutching here. Take your ‘only 2%’ win and leave it.

Valid points.
Fleewees should qualify on a pro rata basis. ie Working life 50 years , % spent in NZ and making a tax contribution = pro rata %payment OR % of the 20 years 45-6~ within NZ tax system.

Non -taxpaying or minimal tax paying [ Trading via a Trust] - no Super.

None of which would have been an issue if Muldoon hadn't kicked WB Sutch's NZ Superannuation plan for touch in December 1975.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10465138

As if it wasn't bizarre already!



https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12147444

Fair point

Though One news could just take our tax payer funding and either lower the size of the font or buy a slightly bigger big screen and make it to one decimal point

They're strapped after 9 years of Gnat mismanagement and can't afford the decimal point for the Maori party result.

ie 0.1%

Correct. The definition of mental disorder under the Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment & Treatment) Act is:

mental disorder, in relation to any person, means an abnormal state of mind (whether of a continuous or an intermittent nature), characterised by delusions, or by disorders of mood or perception or volition or cognition, of such a degree that it—
(a)
poses a serious danger to the health or safety of that person or of others; or
(b)
seriously diminishes the capacity of that person to take care of himself or herself;—

I'm guessing Ross was assessed under sec 8A of the MH CAT Act.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/publ ... #DLM263057

Not only did I suffer through compounding interest while studying now all that work I did as a teenager wont count towards my retirement.

Jesus grouch has gone so far left he's come out the other side and sounds like he should be supporting ACT with these Super policies

TBF, he was a Labour supporter back in the days when Prebble and Douglas came into power.

Am I correct , you are in oz?
Do your homework on the best performing super funds [ generally union or trade ] and salary sacrifice as much as possible . Review annually the return and select the most aggressive fund that you are comfortable with.

Go for Citizenship asap.

As a nation , NZ has written the book on' how to fuckup retirement planning for those born after 1970'.

Only by expediency.

I've spent my whole life far to the left of Leon Trotsky.

Fidel Castro came close.

National is gone.

They're now losing the "which leader would I rather have a bbq with" contest - which is how people vote.

Ross is out

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12147444