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Americans died @ Benghazi, it provides motivation for retribution


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Americans died @ Benghazi, it provides motivation for retribution


That would explain the multiple enquiries into the American deaths at embassies in Beirut in 1984 and Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.


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So the head of HUD doest know what a REO is ? kakistocracy for real


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Americans died @ Benghazi, it provides motivation for retribution


That does not even start to explain the famous Ken Starr fishing expedition on Bill Clinton.


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Very interesting interview between Mark Steyn and George Papadopoulos.

Its in two parts but runs through how he was set up and the depth and breadth of this is quite astounding. Involves at the minimum UK, Australian and Italian governments and their agencies. As for Russian collusion its an absolute joke - Josef Mifsud was not a Russian anything but a CIA connection. Hence why Boris Johnson is not being charged with collusion.


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That is utterly fatuous. It may well be that Congress has this particular power, but it would be pretty easy to fathom why one branch of a seperated system might not have unlimited powers of investigation over another.


Checks and balances. It's a fairly fundamental part of the US system of government.


Checks and balances, yes, but opening the window to fishing expeditions will bite them.

Have an issue worthy of impeachment or a specific issue before a committee, start the process and go at it.

But no evidence of a crime but lets just see all these financials anyway because we may find something - really?


Surely an investigation is required in order to determine whether an issue is worthy of impeachment?


That is the impeachment process, if they think there was obstruction go at it, it doesn't have to meet any legal test unlike Mueller's report & Barr's decision that there was nothing that met the legal definition of obstruction but that doesn't matter in a impeachment.

High Crimes and Misdemeanors is a broad undefined brush and it is purely a political process

But just trolling through historical financial records looking for crimes? How does that help future of politics, how do you think that will be weaponised in the future? Because the precedent will be used against them as well


Read up on Watergate for christ sakes!! The committee hears were held to build a case for impeachment

And as has been pointed out after Benghazi, it is ridiculous to even make such a statement especially as statements like this from you were missing during the 8 hearings on it.


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Very interesting interview between Mark Steyn and George Papadopoulos.

Its in two parts but runs through how he was set up and the depth and breadth of this is quite astounding. Involves at the minimum UK, Australian and Italian governments and their agencies. As for Russian collusion its an absolute joke - Josef Mifsud was not a Russian anything but a CIA connection. Hence why Boris Johnson is not being charged with collusion.


So you believe him but not the intelligence agencies. Again I ask what has he done or shown for you to even believe that he is not a raging idiot like the whole administration. Clear everything else away and the constant stupidity of this administration is why they have no credibility with those of us on Earth 1.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:08 am 
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Kiwias wrote:
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Americans died @ Benghazi, it provides motivation for retribution


That would explain the multiple enquiries into the American deaths at embassies in Beirut in 1984 and Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.


It was investigated more than 9/11. I mean really!!


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_fatprop wrote:
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That is utterly fatuous. It may well be that Congress has this particular power, but it would be pretty easy to fathom why one branch of a seperated system might not have unlimited powers of investigation over another.


Checks and balances. It's a fairly fundamental part of the US system of government.


Checks and balances, yes, but opening the window to fishing expeditions will bite them.

Have an issue worthy of impeachment or a specific issue before a committee, start the process and go at it.

But no evidence of a crime but lets just see all these financials anyway because we may find something - really?


We can always start with what the Judge in question said, because, y'know, he's kind of an authority on this, but if you think you can see better than he can... maybe it's just best if all Presidential candidates release their tax returns as part of the process, as has been the custom now for a while? I honestly can't see any future candidate getting away with this rope-a-dope evasion ever again.

Then we just have to look at the amount of lies on record about income/tax/money in general from Trump&Co.
The testimony and evidence of people like Cohen, his personal lawyer-thug.
And the times he's been bailed out by foreign interests.
And the mystifying disappearance of all the money from the inauguration committee.
And the use of funds to pay off pornstars to buy their silence.
DeutscheBank suspicious activity reports getting shoved under the mattress.
etc...
etc...

If it's a fishing expedition, those fish are in a barrel right now.


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So the head of HUD doest know what a REO is ? kakistocracy for real


"An Oreo?"
:lol:

Katie Porter is the MVP of congress right now, she's been kicking ass repeatedly, simply by actually knowing what she's talking about when questioning anyone in front of her.


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She owned Carson, they need more of her, she just tears new assholes. Which is impressive because Carson is already a giant arsehole. It’s ridiculous how incompetent this administration is. These people he’s nominated, with the exception of Gorsuch, are either useless or stealing, sometimes both.

“He literally gave zero competent answers today.” Was how she described the events.

I see they are trying to negotiate leaving Barr alone for the un-redacted report with Schiff now.

HTF any of his supporters think they have credibility is beyond me. How much more incompetent does this administration have to get, is it even possible to be more incompetent? Is this rock bottom? De Vos, Carson, Pai, Mnuchin, Bolton ...


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_fatprop wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
zzzz wrote:
That is utterly fatuous. It may well be that Congress has this particular power, but it would be pretty easy to fathom why one branch of a seperated system might not have unlimited powers of investigation over another.


Checks and balances. It's a fairly fundamental part of the US system of government.


Checks and balances, yes, but opening the window to fishing expeditions will bite them.

Have an issue worthy of impeachment or a specific issue before a committee, start the process and go at it.

But no evidence of a crime but lets just see all these financials anyway because we may find something - really?

So who gets to say it's a fishing expedition? Trump?

There is enough in the Mueller report to warrant further investigation. McGann has already testified to Mueller; how can you call it a 'fishing expedition' if the testimony is already out there and gives a credible implication of wrongdoing?

Impeachment will be blocked and is unlikely to be successful and it's very unlikely that Trump would stand down as Nixon did.

So basically your definition of "checks and balances" means no checks and involves no balance.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:38 am 
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_fatprop wrote:
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The obvious flaw is that Mueller's report identified several cases of potential obstruction of justice and Congress is now investigating them. Financial documents and records are likely to aid in this investigation so it is clearly not a case of trolling through these records looking for crimes.


Really so looking through 6 year old plus financials for obstruction in the last 18 months makes sense to you?


In a word, yes.

That's quite apart from all the other sh*t swirling around such as paying off Stormy, deutche Bank, trump foundation etc.. etc...


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She owned Carson, they need more of her, she just tears new assholes. Which is impressive because Carson is already a giant arsehole. It’s ridiculous how incompetent this administration is. These people he’s nominated, with the exception of Gorsuch, are either useless or stealing, sometimes both.

“He literally gave zero competent answers today.” Was how she described the events.

I see they are trying to negotiate leaving Barr alone for the un-redacted report with Schiff now.

HTF any of his supporters think they have credibility is beyond me. How much more incompetent does this administration have to get, is it even possible to be more incompetent? Is this rock bottom? De Vos, Carson, Pai, Mnuchin, Bolton ...


The list of demands for the potential 'Immigration Czar' Kris Kobach is a thing of beauty. Scott Pruitt and Ryan Zinke wish they could have thought of this kind of stuff, private jet, guaranteed promotion, unlimited access...:

1. Office in the West Wing.
2. Walk-in privileges with the president.
3. Assistant to the President rank - at highest pay level for WH senior staff.
4. Staff of 7 people (2 attorneys, 2 research analysts, 1 scheduler, 1 media person, 1 assistant).
5. POTUS sits down individually with Czar and the secretaries of Homeland Security, Defense, Justice, Ag, Interior, and Commerce, and tells each of the Secretaries to follow the directives of the Czar without delay, subject to appeal to the President in cases of disagreement.
6. 24/7 access to either a DHS or DOD jet. Czar must be on the border every week.
7. Ability to spend weekends in KS with family on way from border back to DC, unless POTUS needs Czar elsewhere.
8. Security detail if deemed necessary after security review.
9. Serve as the face of Trump immigration policy - the principal spokesman on television and in the media.
10. Promise that by November 1, 2019, the president will nominate Kris Kobach to be DHS Secretary, unless Kobach wishes to continue in Czar position.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/us/p ... trump.html


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kiwinoz wrote:
Very interesting interview between Mark Steyn and George Papadopoulos.

Its in two parts but runs through how he was set up and the depth and breadth of this is quite astounding. Involves at the minimum UK, Australian and Italian governments and their agencies. As for Russian collusion its an absolute joke - Josef Mifsud was not a Russian anything but a CIA connection. Hence why Boris Johnson is not being charged with collusion.


So you believe him but not the intelligence agencies. Again I ask what has he done or shown for you to even believe that he is not a raging idiot like the whole administration. Clear everything else away and the constant stupidity of this administration is why they have no credibility with those of us on Earth 1.


Do yourself a favour and listen to it before commenting on it.


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Turbogoat wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
She owned Carson, they need more of her, she just tears new assholes. Which is impressive because Carson is already a giant arsehole. It’s ridiculous how incompetent this administration is. These people he’s nominated, with the exception of Gorsuch, are either useless or stealing, sometimes both.

“He literally gave zero competent answers today.” Was how she described the events.

I see they are trying to negotiate leaving Barr alone for the un-redacted report with Schiff now.

HTF any of his supporters think they have credibility is beyond me. How much more incompetent does this administration have to get, is it even possible to be more incompetent? Is this rock bottom? De Vos, Carson, Pai, Mnuchin, Bolton ...


The list of demands for the potential 'Immigration Czar' Kris Kobach is a thing of beauty. Scott Pruitt and Ryan Zinke wish they could have thought of this kind of stuff, private jet, guaranteed promotion, unlimited access...:

1. Office in the West Wing.
2. Walk-in privileges with the president.
3. Assistant to the President rank - at highest pay level for WH senior staff.
4. Staff of 7 people (2 attorneys, 2 research analysts, 1 scheduler, 1 media person, 1 assistant).
5. POTUS sits down individually with Czar and the secretaries of Homeland Security, Defense, Justice, Ag, Interior, and Commerce, and tells each of the Secretaries to follow the directives of the Czar without delay, subject to appeal to the President in cases of disagreement.
6. 24/7 access to either a DHS or DOD jet. Czar must be on the border every week.
7. Ability to spend weekends in KS with family on way from border back to DC, unless POTUS needs Czar elsewhere.
8. Security detail if deemed necessary after security review.
9. Serve as the face of Trump immigration policy - the principal spokesman on television and in the media.
10. Promise that by November 1, 2019, the president will nominate Kris Kobach to be DHS Secretary, unless Kobach wishes to continue in Czar position.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/us/p ... trump.html

They should let Katie loose on him.


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kiwinoz wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:
Very interesting interview between Mark Steyn and George Papadopoulos.

Its in two parts but runs through how he was set up and the depth and breadth of this is quite astounding. Involves at the minimum UK, Australian and Italian governments and their agencies. As for Russian collusion its an absolute joke - Josef Mifsud was not a Russian anything but a CIA connection. Hence why Boris Johnson is not being charged with collusion.


So you believe him but not the intelligence agencies. Again I ask what has he done or shown for you to even believe that he is not a raging idiot like the whole administration. Clear everything else away and the constant stupidity of this administration is why they have no credibility with those of us on Earth 1.


Do yourself a favour and listen to it before commenting on it.


Make sure you read the Mueller report first so you have an idea from a genuinely independent investigator without any skin in the game on the breadth and depth of potential issues Trump and his administration are facing. That includes contact with Russia too.


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houtkabouter wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
She owned Carson, they need more of her, she just tears new assholes. Which is impressive because Carson is already a giant arsehole. It’s ridiculous how incompetent this administration is. These people he’s nominated, with the exception of Gorsuch, are either useless or stealing, sometimes both.

“He literally gave zero competent answers today.” Was how she described the events.

I see they are trying to negotiate leaving Barr alone for the un-redacted report with Schiff now.

HTF any of his supporters think they have credibility is beyond me. How much more incompetent does this administration have to get, is it even possible to be more incompetent? Is this rock bottom? De Vos, Carson, Pai, Mnuchin, Bolton ...


The list of demands for the potential 'Immigration Czar' Kris Kobach is a thing of beauty. Scott Pruitt and Ryan Zinke wish they could have thought of this kind of stuff, private jet, guaranteed promotion, unlimited access...:

1. Office in the West Wing.
2. Walk-in privileges with the president.
3. Assistant to the President rank - at highest pay level for WH senior staff.
4. Staff of 7 people (2 attorneys, 2 research analysts, 1 scheduler, 1 media person, 1 assistant).
5. POTUS sits down individually with Czar and the secretaries of Homeland Security, Defense, Justice, Ag, Interior, and Commerce, and tells each of the Secretaries to follow the directives of the Czar without delay, subject to appeal to the President in cases of disagreement.
6. 24/7 access to either a DHS or DOD jet. Czar must be on the border every week.
7. Ability to spend weekends in KS with family on way from border back to DC, unless POTUS needs Czar elsewhere.
8. Security detail if deemed necessary after security review.
9. Serve as the face of Trump immigration policy - the principal spokesman on television and in the media.
10. Promise that by November 1, 2019, the president will nominate Kris Kobach to be DHS Secretary, unless Kobach wishes to continue in Czar position.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/us/p ... trump.html

They should let Katie loose on him.



Why would he want the DHS job? The way he's requesting this be set up he would actually have more power than the VP.

And where the fudge will they find enough space for his ego in the West Wing?


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As for Russian collusion its an absolute joke


I don't understand how any rational person can make this statement, when the Trump campaign actually admitted (after everyone lying about it) to actually taking a meeting to actively collude with what they thought were Russian government representatives in the f**king candidate's f**king house.

The ability to get his supporters to willfully ignore facts is Trump's greatest triumph - it is remarkable really.


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Kiwias wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:
Very interesting interview between Mark Steyn and George Papadopoulos.

Its in two parts but runs through how he was set up and the depth and breadth of this is quite astounding. Involves at the minimum UK, Australian and Italian governments and their agencies. As for Russian collusion its an absolute joke - Josef Mifsud was not a Russian anything but a CIA connection. Hence why Boris Johnson is not being charged with collusion.


So you believe him but not the intelligence agencies. Again I ask what has he done or shown for you to even believe that he is not a raging idiot like the whole administration. Clear everything else away and the constant stupidity of this administration is why they have no credibility with those of us on Earth 1.


Do yourself a favour and listen to it before commenting on it.


Make sure you read the Mueller report first so you have an idea from a genuinely independent investigator without any skin in the game on the breadth and depth of potential issues Trump and his administration are facing. That includes contact with Russia too.


Yes I did and no collusion and in fact out of it is now a special prosecutor and several investigations into the genesis of the report. What Mueller takes as face value in the report can be questioned though. And it is hence the new investigations by Barr.


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As for Russian collusion its an absolute joke


I actually agree there was no collusion but probably not for the reasons you expect. There were multiple contacts between the Trump campaign and people known to be associated with or working for the Russian government, explained in detail by Mueller, but there was not a co-ordinated, planned campaign on behalf of Trump to work with the Russians. It was mainly a reactive effort, in response to approaches by the Russians.


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kiwinoz wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:
Very interesting interview between Mark Steyn and George Papadopoulos.

Its in two parts but runs through how he was set up and the depth and breadth of this is quite astounding. Involves at the minimum UK, Australian and Italian governments and their agencies. As for Russian collusion its an absolute joke - Josef Mifsud was not a Russian anything but a CIA connection. Hence why Boris Johnson is not being charged with collusion.


So you believe him but not the intelligence agencies. Again I ask what has he done or shown for you to even believe that he is not a raging idiot like the whole administration. Clear everything else away and the constant stupidity of this administration is why they have no credibility with those of us on Earth 1.


Do yourself a favour and listen to it before commenting on it.


Make sure you read the Mueller report first so you have an idea from a genuinely independent investigator without any skin in the game on the breadth and depth of potential issues Trump and his administration are facing. That includes contact with Russia too.


Yes I did and no collusion and in fact out of it is now a special prosecutor and several investigations into the genesis of the report. What Mueller takes as face value in the report can be questioned though. And it is hence the new investigations by Barr.


Yes, and clearly you believe Barr is more credible than Mueller, despite having dropped his trou and bent over the barrel for Trump on several occasions.


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kiwinoz wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:
Very interesting interview between Mark Steyn and George Papadopoulos.

Its in two parts but runs through how he was set up and the depth and breadth of this is quite astounding. Involves at the minimum UK, Australian and Italian governments and their agencies. As for Russian collusion its an absolute joke - Josef Mifsud was not a Russian anything but a CIA connection. Hence why Boris Johnson is not being charged with collusion.


So you believe him but not the intelligence agencies. Again I ask what has he done or shown for you to even believe that he is not a raging idiot like the whole administration. Clear everything else away and the constant stupidity of this administration is why they have no credibility with those of us on Earth 1.


Do yourself a favour and listen to it before commenting on it.


Make sure you read the Mueller report first so you have an idea from a genuinely independent investigator without any skin in the game on the breadth and depth of potential issues Trump and his administration are facing. That includes contact with Russia too.


Yes I did and no collusion and in fact out of it is now a special prosecutor and several investigations into the genesis of the report. What Mueller takes as face value in the report can be questioned though. And it is hence the new investigations by Barr.


"Collusion" was the Trumpian term, remember?
There's a lot more to be concerned about in the report, and that everyone should be concerned about, not just dismissing anything short of Trump's redline of collusion.

At best, the most favourable interpretation of the events is that Trump was merely a hapless, useful idiot who benefitted from Russian interference. He merely coincidentally lied time and time again about all the contacts with Russia that he, his family and his staff had.
Which is why the concern about his finances is so crucial now. How much of a hold did Russia have over him? How much do they still have? We know he's been bailed out by foreign interests repeatedly (Saudi princes for starters). Even if Trump was at best not a willing colluder, how indebted to these foreign interests was he, and why has he he gone so far out of his way to hide it all? How much has he been compromised? Shall we replay his performance at Helsinki, or check out each time he has deferred in favour of Russian interests to see if there has been any result?

'Collusion' is not the be-all and end-all of Russians having continued influence over Trump.


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houtkabouter wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
She owned Carson, they need more of her, she just tears new assholes. Which is impressive because Carson is already a giant arsehole. It’s ridiculous how incompetent this administration is. These people he’s nominated, with the exception of Gorsuch, are either useless or stealing, sometimes both.

“He literally gave zero competent answers today.” Was how she described the events.

I see they are trying to negotiate leaving Barr alone for the un-redacted report with Schiff now.

HTF any of his supporters think they have credibility is beyond me. How much more incompetent does this administration have to get, is it even possible to be more incompetent? Is this rock bottom? De Vos, Carson, Pai, Mnuchin, Bolton ...


The list of demands for the potential 'Immigration Czar' Kris Kobach is a thing of beauty. Scott Pruitt and Ryan Zinke wish they could have thought of this kind of stuff, private jet, guaranteed promotion, unlimited access...:

1. Office in the West Wing.
2. Walk-in privileges with the president.
3. Assistant to the President rank - at highest pay level for WH senior staff.
4. Staff of 7 people (2 attorneys, 2 research analysts, 1 scheduler, 1 media person, 1 assistant).
5. POTUS sits down individually with Czar and the secretaries of Homeland Security, Defense, Justice, Ag, Interior, and Commerce, and tells each of the Secretaries to follow the directives of the Czar without delay, subject to appeal to the President in cases of disagreement.
6. 24/7 access to either a DHS or DOD jet. Czar must be on the border every week.
7. Ability to spend weekends in KS with family on way from border back to DC, unless POTUS needs Czar elsewhere.
8. Security detail if deemed necessary after security review.
9. Serve as the face of Trump immigration policy - the principal spokesman on television and in the media.
10. Promise that by November 1, 2019, the president will nominate Kris Kobach to be DHS Secretary, unless Kobach wishes to continue in Czar position.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/us/p ... trump.html

They should let Katie loose on him.



Why would he want the DHS job? The way he's requesting this be set up he would actually have more power than the VP.

And where the fudge will they find enough space for his ego in the West Wing?


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houtkabouter wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
She owned Carson, they need more of her, she just tears new assholes. Which is impressive because Carson is already a giant arsehole. It’s ridiculous how incompetent this administration is. These people he’s nominated, with the exception of Gorsuch, are either useless or stealing, sometimes both.

“He literally gave zero competent answers today.” Was how she described the events.

I see they are trying to negotiate leaving Barr alone for the un-redacted report with Schiff now.

HTF any of his supporters think they have credibility is beyond me. How much more incompetent does this administration have to get, is it even possible to be more incompetent? Is this rock bottom? De Vos, Carson, Pai, Mnuchin, Bolton ...


The list of demands for the potential 'Immigration Czar' Kris Kobach is a thing of beauty. Scott Pruitt and Ryan Zinke wish they could have thought of this kind of stuff, private jet, guaranteed promotion, unlimited access...:

1. Office in the West Wing.
2. Walk-in privileges with the president.
3. Assistant to the President rank - at highest pay level for WH senior staff.
4. Staff of 7 people (2 attorneys, 2 research analysts, 1 scheduler, 1 media person, 1 assistant).
5. POTUS sits down individually with Czar and the secretaries of Homeland Security, Defense, Justice, Ag, Interior, and Commerce, and tells each of the Secretaries to follow the directives of the Czar without delay, subject to appeal to the President in cases of disagreement.
6. 24/7 access to either a DHS or DOD jet. Czar must be on the border every week.
7. Ability to spend weekends in KS with family on way from border back to DC, unless POTUS needs Czar elsewhere.
8. Security detail if deemed necessary after security review.
9. Serve as the face of Trump immigration policy - the principal spokesman on television and in the media.
10. Promise that by November 1, 2019, the president will nominate Kris Kobach to be DHS Secretary, unless Kobach wishes to continue in Czar position.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/us/p ... trump.html

They should let Katie loose on him.



Why would he want the DHS job? The way he's requesting this be set up he would actually have more power than the VP.

And where the fudge will they find enough space for his ego in the West Wing?


Seeing as the White House Press Briefing Room is no longer being used at all, they could maybe turn it into a stable where he could park his ego.


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She owned Carson, they need more of her, she just tears new assholes. Which is impressive because Carson is already a giant arsehole. It’s ridiculous how incompetent this administration is. These people he’s nominated, with the exception of Gorsuch, are either useless or stealing, sometimes both.

“He literally gave zero competent answers today.” Was how she described the events.

I see they are trying to negotiate leaving Barr alone for the un-redacted report with Schiff now.

HTF any of his supporters think they have credibility is beyond me. How much more incompetent does this administration have to get, is it even possible to be more incompetent? Is this rock bottom? De Vos, Carson, Pai, Mnuchin, Bolton ...


The list of demands for the potential 'Immigration Czar' Kris Kobach is a thing of beauty. Scott Pruitt and Ryan Zinke wish they could have thought of this kind of stuff, private jet, guaranteed promotion, unlimited access...:

1. Office in the West Wing.
2. Walk-in privileges with the president.
3. Assistant to the President rank - at highest pay level for WH senior staff.
4. Staff of 7 people (2 attorneys, 2 research analysts, 1 scheduler, 1 media person, 1 assistant).
5. POTUS sits down individually with Czar and the secretaries of Homeland Security, Defense, Justice, Ag, Interior, and Commerce, and tells each of the Secretaries to follow the directives of the Czar without delay, subject to appeal to the President in cases of disagreement.
6. 24/7 access to either a DHS or DOD jet. Czar must be on the border every week.
7. Ability to spend weekends in KS with family on way from border back to DC, unless POTUS needs Czar elsewhere.
8. Security detail if deemed necessary after security review.
9. Serve as the face of Trump immigration policy - the principal spokesman on television and in the media.
10. Promise that by November 1, 2019, the president will nominate Kris Kobach to be DHS Secretary, unless Kobach wishes to continue in Czar position.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/us/p ... trump.html

They should let Katie loose on him.



Why would he want the DHS job? The way he's requesting this be set up he would actually have more power than the VP.

And where the fudge will they find enough space for his ego in the West Wing?


Seeing as the White House Press Briefing Room is no longer being used at all, they could maybe turn it into a stable where he could park his ego.


I thought they were turning that back into a swimming pool?


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Well that's what they told the Press Corps.
(On an unrelated note, Sarah Huckabee-Sanders has been searching Amazon.com for Alligators, Large)


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So the head of HUD doest know what a REO is ? kakistocracy for real


"An Oreo?"
:lol:

Katie Porter is the MVP of congress right now, she's been kicking ass repeatedly, simply by actually knowing what she's talking about when questioning anyone in front of her.

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) is my favorite for his interrogation of Judicial nominees and particularly the questions he put to Matthew Spencer Petersen.

Also like the game “Who said it: Sen. John Kennedy or Foghorn Leghorn?”

https://www.nola.com/opinions/2019/04/w ... ghorn.html


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Turbogoat wrote:
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So the head of HUD doest know what a REO is ? kakistocracy for real


"An Oreo?"
:lol:

Katie Porter is the MVP of congress right now, she's been kicking ass repeatedly, simply by actually knowing what she's talking about when questioning anyone in front of her.


This freshman class have all be pretty good. Her roommate AOC gets all the headlines because the GOP are out to make her the new HRC but Porter is good, Pressly who along with Booker just submitted a maternal mortality bill and Jayapal submitted an impressive medicare bill. US democracy will be saved by Women and Women of Color.


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That is utterly fatuous. It may well be that Congress has this particular power, but it would be pretty easy to fathom why one branch of a seperated system might not have unlimited powers of investigation over another.


Checks and balances. It's a fairly fundamental part of the US system of government.


Checks and balances, yes, but opening the window to fishing expeditions will bite them.

Have an issue worthy of impeachment or a specific issue before a committee, start the process and go at it.

But no evidence of a crime but lets just see all these financials anyway because we may find something - really?

So who gets to say it's a fishing expedition? Trump?

There is enough in the Mueller report to warrant further investigation. McGann has already testified to Mueller; how can you call it a 'fishing expedition' if the testimony is already out there and gives a credible implication of wrongdoing?

Impeachment will be blocked and is unlikely to be successful and it's very unlikely that Trump would stand down as Nixon did.

So basically your definition of "checks and balances" means no checks and involves no balance.


It is not fishing when conservatives do it, it is when done against them. Nothing was found wrong with Benghazi but Hillary's email server was discovered, much like how nothing was found to be wrong with whitewater but Monica came out it. The nerve to complain this is fishing should not surprise you when you consider the world conservatives live in.


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Very interesting interview between Mark Steyn and George Papadopoulos.

Its in two parts but runs through how he was set up and the depth and breadth of this is quite astounding. Involves at the minimum UK, Australian and Italian governments and their agencies. As for Russian collusion its an absolute joke - Josef Mifsud was not a Russian anything but a CIA connection. Hence why Boris Johnson is not being charged with collusion.


So you believe him but not the intelligence agencies. Again I ask what has he done or shown for you to even believe that he is not a raging idiot like the whole administration. Clear everything else away and the constant stupidity of this administration is why they have no credibility with those of us on Earth 1.


Do yourself a favour and listen to it before commenting on it.


I would but you are a man who drives by facts and rational explains for everything to go cling on to your theory. You don't get the courtesy of an open mind from me. You have a HUD secretary that doesn't know what a REO is, an EPA admin that was purely corrupt and the list goes on but I am suppose to believe incompetence and stupidity by them didn't start an investigation. All the evidence shown proves they are dumb enough to put themselves in this position.


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Just a reminder of the Trump Support mindset.

https://twitter.com/johnlray/status/113 ... 55265?s=19
-has a graph showing his supporters are hurt the most by the tarifff

He voted for Trump. Now he and his wife raise their son from opposite sides of the border - https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-tr ... story.html

And finally immigration and what I say is the breaking of an unwritten accord - https://www.npr.org/2019/05/21/72509657 ... -in-a-bind

All of this takes me to a podcast I listened to with this author
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Mr Mike wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
So the head of HUD doest know what a REO is ? kakistocracy for real


"An Oreo?"
:lol:

Katie Porter is the MVP of congress right now, she's been kicking ass repeatedly, simply by actually knowing what she's talking about when questioning anyone in front of her.

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) is my favorite for his interrogation of Judicial nominees and particularly the questions he put to Matthew Spencer Petersen.

Also like the game “Who said it: Sen. John Kennedy or Foghorn Leghorn?”

https://www.nola.com/opinions/2019/04/w ... ghorn.html


15/18. Big fan of Foghorn Leghorn, this Kennedy bloke's just not doing it right.


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I get the point that the current state is another stage in the tit for tat deterioration in conduct. From Judicial nominations to investigations, injunction and lawsuits you have each side pointing the finger at the other for starting this. Texas has the previous record for lawsuits against a President (48 in eight years against Obama and California is at 50 in just over two). I expect President Bernie could bust that with some motivated forum shopping by Republican Attorneys General. We probably will never see a Scalia or RBG type confirmed 98-0 ever again.

On Carson, I see he has sent Porter a packet of Oreos after the hearing. Waiting to see who is first to mis-characterize the exchange.


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koroke hangareka wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
So the head of HUD doest know what a REO is ? kakistocracy for real


"An Oreo?"
:lol:

Katie Porter is the MVP of congress right now, she's been kicking ass repeatedly, simply by actually knowing what she's talking about when questioning anyone in front of her.

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) is my favorite for his interrogation of Judicial nominees and particularly the questions he put to Matthew Spencer Petersen.

Also like the game “Who said it: Sen. John Kennedy or Foghorn Leghorn?”

https://www.nola.com/opinions/2019/04/w ... ghorn.html


15/18. Big fan of Foghorn Leghorn, this Kennedy bloke's just not doing it right.

Impressive, apparently his staff didn’t get over 50%!


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https://twitter.com/NYinLA2121/status/1 ... 62374?s=19
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House Freedom Caucus votees to condemn Justin Amash over...

<checks notes>

Freedom of Speech.



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On Carson, I see he has sent Porter a packet of Oreos after the hearing. Waiting to see who is first to mis-characterize the exchange.


Looks like that honour goes to Carson himself.


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Remember the Wall?
2018 budget gave $1.57B funding for it.
This resulted in.... 1.7 Miles of fence. :lol:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... s-of-fence


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Deadtigers wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
So the head of HUD doest know what a REO is ? kakistocracy for real


"An Oreo?"
:lol:

Katie Porter is the MVP of congress right now, she's been kicking ass repeatedly, simply by actually knowing what she's talking about when questioning anyone in front of her.


This freshman class have all be pretty good. Her roommate AOC gets all the headlines because the GOP are out to make her the new HRC but Porter is good, Pressly who along with Booker just submitted a maternal mortality bill and Jayapal submitted an impressive medicare bill. US democracy will be saved by Women and Women of Color.


Your democracy is doomed.
Big business and Israel have got your government by the balls.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Women and women of colour... :lol:


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Mr Mike wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
So the head of HUD doest know what a REO is ? kakistocracy for real


"An Oreo?"
:lol:

Katie Porter is the MVP of congress right now, she's been kicking ass repeatedly, simply by actually knowing what she's talking about when questioning anyone in front of her.

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) is my favorite for his interrogation of Judicial nominees and particularly the questions he put to Matthew Spencer Petersen.

Also like the game “Who said it: Sen. John Kennedy or Foghorn Leghorn?”

https://www.nola.com/opinions/2019/04/w ... ghorn.html


Jesus, Carson......"An Oreo" ?....I think he was literally doing the Homer Simpson.....mmmmm donuts....possibly even funnier is that when asked about "blight" I think he actually thought it had something to do with potatoes growing on houses.....


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