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by Cthulu's Trilby
Tue May 19, 2020 11:07 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
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Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Every time you think this dumpster fire is going out...WHOOMP...up it goes again.
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed May 13, 2020 9:55 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

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Bimboc69 wrote:...and a lot of their staff shifted over to us.
That's the other issue - for example I doubt you could find a spare anaesthetist for love nor money.
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed May 13, 2020 9:25 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

They should have used the private hospitals to do all the non- Covid work rather than paying for them to sit idle. The NHS didn't requisition private hospitals, it requisitioned their CCU capacity. Without looking at the figures that would've mostly comprised of theatres (them being ventilator-equi...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Tue May 12, 2020 1:49 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Good news :thumbup: Any wild idea when the private hospitals revert back from NHS use? Think i might die waiting for an op in an NHS hospital. I picked a really bad time to need an operation and 7 weeks recovery off work :uhoh: We're back to just using pre-Covid levels of CCU capacity now so I shou...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Tue May 12, 2020 1:09 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Yer Man wrote:
Cthulu's Trilby wrote:Nightingale was built for a worst-case scenario that didn't happen, thankfully.
Which is proof that lock-down has "worked" rather than proof that we never needed Nightingale in the first place?
Assuming that's not a rhetorical question, yes.
by Cthulu's Trilby
Tue May 12, 2020 1:07 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Just heard that they apparently had 600 people there at the highest point. Though it's possible they were there to recover, and free up beds in the hospitals for people who still needed active treatment... I don't think that's possible. They only opened 500 beds. It's possible there's a news blacko...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Tue May 12, 2020 12:42 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

There's a debate to be had about whether that's because it wouldn't have been useful to alleviate some pressure on hospitals or whether they simply couldn't staff the Nightingale adequately to make it safe to really use. Yes and no. We'd gone as far as gathering the volunteer lists for those who wo...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:20 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Cthulu's Trilby, I am sure I speak for many here who really appreciate your input. Please don't let the idiots drive you off the bored. We're not idiots, we're asking him to back up his rather condescending comments yesterday about masks. Today he said: "Well there's lots of research out there that...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:18 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Duff Paddy wrote:Big paper last year

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-38808-z

Turns out that shite talkers are serial aerosol generators so a few on here really do need to wear masks
That doesn't prove what you think it does.
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:10 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Ah here. I respect your angle on this. I'm not trying to 'bully' anyone. :(( My angle in this case is that in order to do the argument any justice I'd have to dig out a thesis' worth of work. The HSE's standard advice on mask-wearing references over 50 scientific papers. Some of them will be applic...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:01 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

You’re splitting hairs again. Are paper/cotton masks likely to reduce the spread of Covid19 in civilians? Yes or no? As per WHO advice, only in those who are symptomatic or living with someone who is. And when you follow the advice that we all need to act as if we're symptomatic? I'm not going to g...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:59 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Sandstorm wrote:You’re splitting hairs again. Are paper/cotton masks likely to reduce the spread of Covid19 in civilians? Yes or no?
As per WHO advice, only in those who are symptomatic or living with someone who is.
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:53 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Like I've said there's plenty of AGPs going on outside of CCU. You can't perform ALS without performing an AGP. Alright, I think we're needlessly splitting hairs here. Any AGP is a risk. Perhaps I should've said that no aerosol transmission is likely in the wild - which was the point I was trying t...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:41 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Currently aerosol and surface contamintation are the pathways. We've seen no evidence of aerosol transmission outside a CCU setting. Better tell that to the families of the couple of paramedics that have died. I'm specifically talking about aerosol transmission here and not respiratory droplets. We...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:32 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

message #2527204 wrote:Currently aerosol and surface contamintation are the pathways.
We've seen no evidence of aerosol transmission outside a CCU setting.
by Cthulu's Trilby
Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:16 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

It just seems to be self-evident that using a mask helps cut down transmission from you to other people, even if it doesn't show much protection in the other direction. 6roucho's link suggest that this is true, even for non-surgical masks. Undermining that seems a little irresponsible to me. I've o...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:59 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

The science on masks reducing exhaled and aerosol coronavirus is unambiguous. Wearing masks protects the people around you from your virus. They don't have to be surgical masks . The difference isn't marginal. Here's the seminal paper: We detected coronavirus in respiratory droplets and aerosols in...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:03 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Fair enough, zero was stretching it. But even a 3/4 reduction is highly useful. Most people I speak to about it still have the point of non-medical people wearing masks the wrong way round. It's about YOU protecting everyone else. I don't have time to go back through this again right now, but there...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:49 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Also there have been several tests recently showing how far viruses spread in saliva - up to 8 meters - and wearing a basic mask cuts that down to zero. I have no problem with people wearing masks if they want to, but this isn't backed by the science. I'm aware of a single study postulating that th...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:57 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Scummings going by Xmas..... Boris next year.
Replies: 10619
Views: 298198

Re: Boris goooooone or going?

Which curve? Hospital admissions? Should that not have flattened a week or two after lockdown - I'm not totally sure what the incubation period of covid is. Possibly a bit longer. Incubation seems to be a few days up to two weeks at the extreme end. But I think the NHS helpline was generally advisi...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:53 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

As I understand it, from the article, there is a distinction drawn between using the masks to protect yourself and using them to contain infection from someone who may be asymptomatic. In the former case, your points apply, but in the latter, at least one avenue for contagion can be greatly reduced...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:14 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

For those that claim that the use of masks is of no value, I offer this article which I read some days ago. I wrote my thoughts on this on the previous but one page. In summary and anecdotally everyone I see wearing a mask is continuously touching their face because the mask is uncomfortable/they c...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:38 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

CrazyIslander wrote:Understandable. Good to see you're alive though.
Thank you. I'm doing my best to keep it that way but these are uncertain times...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:17 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

CrazyIslander wrote:Hey mate, did you realise you were on a missing poster list fir years? Some thought you died.
I'm only posting whilst Covid's ongoing. The state of this thread reminds me why I stopped.
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:12 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

bimboman wrote:
It's more poor in just France and Poland. The rest of Europe is managing more testing and it looks like they actually count their dead from care homes, unlike Britain.

The rest of Europe ? That’s kinda just not true.
Just stop engaging with him. The thread's becoming unreadable.
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:03 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

message #2527204 wrote:No. But medical professionals are just that.... professionals. They have access to the properly fitted equipment and trained to follow procedures on storage, use and disposal.
...And get through multiple sets a day and half of them still can't be trusted to observe the procedures properly...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:01 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

With hindsight I think they should have locked down a week earlier. UK actually went into lockdown before NZ I thought, not that there is much point comparing two very different situations. I tend to agree, but it very much is hindsight. Look at Swine Flu. That may have killed 500,000 in a year and...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:57 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

bok_viking wrote:I guess you do not trust the opinions of medical professionals that rely on masks on a daily basis. Somehow masks have a different effect for Joe Public than what it has for medical professionals.
I could've sworn we already covered this...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:21 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

bok_viking wrote:some studies shows now that some variants can travel up to 4m through the air.
Why would some variants be able to travel 4m through the air? Do they evolve wings?
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

No, it’s definitely you. I ask again. Why is Britain's testing rate below all other EU countries bar France? Do you have an answer?[/quote] Testing in most EU countries is confined in the first instance to those presenting at hospital with symptoms and healthcare workers. As a % of population the n...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:47 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Muttonbirds wrote:Like it or not I've contributed here since 2010.
No, I think it's far to say you've been here...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:35 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Muttonbirds wrote:Don't attack the messenger.
Seems the only sensible course of action given your sentiment.
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:26 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Yet the reason medical personal in hospitals are wearing masks for decades and decades are so that they do not transmit germs to patients, it is not to protect them against patients. Yet somehow with the virus, decades worth of user practice are somehow now not proven or effective. No - it's a two ...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:54 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

No one is suggesting it's a silver bullet. Just that it will help, along with all the other measures. The thing is, Message #2527204 is correct that there's little evidence that it makes any difference. Firstly the evidence that the virus spends any significant time in the air is based on a single ...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:05 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

So, was keeping the Cheltenham meeting open really such a good idea ? Mortality figures compiled by the Health Service Journal show that Gloucestershire hospital’s NHS trust, which covers Cheltenham, has recorded 125 deaths, roughly double that in two nearby trusts at Bristol (58 each), and those c...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:36 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Perhaps we haven't overwhelmed the NHS with Covid19 cases because we aren't treating older folk from care homes and moderate cases who we recommend stay at home and end up dying there? Lots of evidence that earlier this is treated with oxygen then greater the survival rates and/or stop progressing ...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:43 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Keeps you busy...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:38 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

If you are going to make a mask out of a t-shirt, just make sure it matches the rest of your outfit. That will be its only function.
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:28 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

I've not really followed the US media but they seem to be saying that a home made mask, in conjunction with social distancing, could be an effective measure. The best you could say about a homemade mask is it keeps you busy. Even a standard surgical mask is made of dense fibres to trap as much as p...
by Cthulu's Trilby
Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:22 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 33522
Views: 924272

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Except nobody is telling symptomatic people it’s okay to go out if they wear a mask. It's therefore slightly surreal that I'm arguing the exact same thing with Goeagles. But either way we all know that there are enough idiots who will do so. If we weren't, as is the norm for this place, simply argu...