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Toro

Well done Poms! Much better today, even with our 12-0 lead I thought you’d been better. We didn’t know how to build on that as usual and BB did his best to ruin all our chances. I hope Love gets a start against Wales. Had a chance to control that game, against the flow, and instead we watched Englan...

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F’ck you BB!!!! Can forgive one, but two?

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That was ridiculous by Willemse to beat a few then jump in front of a retiring player to offload while being tackled into touch. Just class.

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100 replays and then they see a clear and obvious knock-on? Don't buy it, he saved it with the other hand, nothing clear there.

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That's just such a bad call on the rip. He stone cold lost that forward, clearly last to touch it.

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F´ck, on my way to ref in Valencia and gonna miss the second half, if I get prematch chats out of the way early I should be able to watch the first half in peace in the change room. Also realised I'll on the fast train back to Madrid for the first half of France SA, which means crap internet. Not a ...

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Bit risky with short arse Kirifi on the bench too but they're all powerful boys, it's only the lineout where it could be a problem but Ardie and Sititi have always been successful targets. Looking very bare in the second row. Thank god Roigard is there, otherwise I'd be thinking this really is Scot...

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Again, disingenuous of anyone to suggest Beirne shouldered or smashed Barrett. He braced for contact and the dynamics of the contact had incidental shoulder to head contact. At no stage was he effecting an attempted tackle for it to in any way an active 'smash' or 'shoulder'. See some of the vids I...

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Btw, I'm not trying to exonerate Beirne completely. He's high, illegal and makes contact with the head. That starts at red but it was ridiculous it wasn't mitigated to yellow and I've given plenty of precedent that agrees with me. Legit question as I've not watched as much rugby as I'd like over th...

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Always high, always illegal, shoulder to head, you argued easy yellow despite now thinking that they're always red. Easy yellow means just that, never getting mitigating down from yellow as he's always high. Nothing like the Beirne one, player drops, he uses his arms, the impact is glancing. Nothin...

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Also Yep, that's correct. Where are you going with this one? Always high, always illegal, shoulder to head, you argued easy yellow despite now thinking that they're always red. Easy yellow means just that, never getting mitigating down from yellow as he's always high. Nothing like the Beirne one, p...

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CM11 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 07, 2025 6:31 pm Also

Toro wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:17 pm

Yeah when you're completely upright going into contact it pretty much negates any mitigation you might have otherwise. It was always high, pretty easy yellow.

Yep, that's correct. Where are you going with this one?

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That it was ridiculous? Which it was. Even Barrett basically said so! Barrett is not a referee, and now you are just going round in circles. But he is a professional player who was also the victim, praising the player who made contact with him for reducing the impact of the 'tackle' while also sayi...

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I'm running around doing other things. You can take my general tone throughout more than one specific word to pounce on. Ridiculously harsh, if you prefer. :P AGAIN...not pointing at you, it's what I've been reading all week from the Irish rugby public, pundits, journalists and online nutters. That...

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The reaction to the Steward pen amongst everyone I watched it was was that it was a harsh red. You have taken a narrative and run with it. As I said earlier, when there is more intent and obvious force we get into the grey area you're talking about where lines are drawn down the middle but for this...

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6/2 or 5/3 doesn't bother me massively. 7/1 is taking the piss a bit. But in general tactical replacements aren't great for the game. I really dislike the idea of a new front row on 20/30 mins. Tactical replacements should be really for a bit of tactical tweaking, not a standard playbook. I think t...

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I've already given you an example of the shoe being on the other foot where I've argued and been subsequently proved correct that red was harsh on Steward. Christ how many times do I have to say I'm talking about the reaction from the Irish rugby public, not you specifically, haha. It's not all abo...

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Yes, I was making the point that even fans who have previously lost their shit thought it wasn't red. That was my whole point! You then replied, that means nothing as NZ fans never call for reds. I said kiwis are generally anti-red cards, not the same. We feel they ruin games. In said series, it wa...

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Bit risky with short arse Kirifi on the bench too but they're all powerful boys, it's only the lineout where it could be a problem but Ardie and Sititi have always been successful targets. Looking very bare in the second row. Thank god Roigard is there, otherwise I'd be thinking this really is Scotl...

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A player bracing for impact when another player runs into him has been varying degrees of play on to yellow. Can you give me a few examples of red that weren't overturned? Why would I? My point is fairly clear, calling the red 'ridiculous' is a stretch. It used to be, shoulder, with force, direct t...

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You said that NZ fans are beyond reproach and go out of their way to not call for reds but Irish fans are completely subjective and always either call for red if its their player that's the victim or always say their player is an angel if they're the perpetrator. Well, I paraphrased but thats essen...

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You lot were completely restrained regarding the Porter/Ta'avao incidents alright. In no way did some of you lose your shit when Porter wasn't red carded. :roll: Never said any of that. What's your point? You said that NZ fans are beyond reproach and go out of their way to not call for reds but Iri...

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A spot of bother for a yellow, yes. And you always risk red A shoulder to the face, even with arms out, on a player who hasn't dipped or changed direction has probably been red carded 95% of the time in rugby during the last ten years. Far from ridiculous I'd still say. ;) A player bracing for impa...

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A spot of bother for a yellow, yes. And you always risk red but sorry, you're putting words in my mouth and doing a 'I'm holier than you' routine. I will only ever look for a red for obvious foul play. If Sexton ran ahead of the ball, got a forward pass and ran straight into an opposing player who ...

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CM11 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 07, 2025 4:26 pm A spot of bother for a yellow, yes. And you always risk red

A shoulder to the face, even with arms out, on a player who hasn't dipped or changed direction has probably been red carded 95% of the time in rugby during the last ten years.

Far from ridiculous I'd still say.

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A spot of bother for a yellow, yes. And you always risk red but sorry, you're putting words in my mouth and doing a 'I'm holier than you' routine. I will only ever look for a red for obvious foul play. If Sexton ran ahead of the ball, got a forward pass and ran straight into an opposing player who ...

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Yes and no. The other incidents in these fixtures were much more obvious in terms how one side could make it more/less than it was. I'm highly surprised there isn't unanimous backing for the card being overturned amongst the sane fans on here. It was one of the most obvious, mea culpa/low degree of...

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Most of his movement is sideways. If Barrett felt a strong hit to his head he wouldn't have gone out of the way to try to get Beirne off. It was clearly a low impact collision, how high degree of danger was decided initially, I've no clue. Well that's the subjective part to it. Are there higher imp...

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The mileage dragged out of this one. Kudos. Seems to be the story of Ireland v NZ matches in the last decade... cards... every match seems to have cards... mostly NZ cards in the past... and how we have to learn to tackle lower... etc... so when it's on the other foot... roles reversed.. Ireland fa...

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This is really nice, and fair analysis. This was the part which nailed it for me, which wasn't a widely-shown replay angle. https://youtu.be/rui7SYwXrEo?si=sqPuPNbESvI9tTwE&t=315 Beirne drives forward and upward into the contact, tucking his arm and leading with his shoulder. If there's direct head...

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Barrett doesn't seem to agree with Dai's take on it, weird. Beauden Barrett ('NZ10) provided a statement in which he said: "I was running a decoy line on the short side, inside-out, on the left side of the field (bench side). The play wasn't designed for me to receive the ball, and I didn't expect ...

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Pretty good analysis of the red card decision here: https://youtu.be/rui7SYwXrEo?si=QtCkamKBksdx_EzE Bernie's actions are a lot more forceful than I thought from the views I saw during the game. This is really nice, and fair analysis. This was the part which nailed it for me, which wasn't a widely-...

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Tehui wrote: ↑Sat Oct 04, 2025 2:35 pm He's lucky not to receive a red.

He went one hand and should''ve probably been a penalty but not yellow.

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For those who have been calling for Razor to be bolder in selections all year: what would you do this week? The Bled is secure, winning TRC will be tough, and after this we have a grand slam tour, where Wales is the only game you could run a second team and be confident. Do you use this game to giv...

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She'll be a high scoring game this one, hope Love gets a run at 10. We generally looked very good on attack, but a few players in space got isolated so support players need to be in better positions earlier to protect the ball. Wallabies attack was great, the way they come around the corner in waves...

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Is Parker just another Dom Bird-type player? Very large and very limited? Bird? Parker is very athletic, he’s not being used as a runner in space at the moment but he’s potent. He’s doing a lot of the hard work we want from a Kaino like 6, and I think his stats are pretty good reading for work rate.

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Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:03 am
mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:02 am Surely no doubt over the MOTM?

Roigard proves he’s our most important player.
Absolutely. He makes a huge difference

He was so good in the first 20 I think he had in sewn up already.

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Unlucky Wobs, criminal the kicks for touch that didn’t go out, you guys lost at least two clear chances to get going in the 22 and when you guys were there a try looked very likely. I bit more accuracy round the ruck I think more often than not you had us contained when you gave away penalties in ou...

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The wallabies ruck work is basically getting the ref to coach them into hands away all the time, it’s a fine line to walk the whole game.

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Piardi has f**ked the Wobs at many rucks, but that was the right call How? Potter was the only guy there. If you wanted to be pedantic you could argue he had one arm on the ground. But ruck formed was just wrong. A ruck is not formed until two opposing players are engaged over the ball. Potter was ...

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