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Toro

I've already given you an example of the shoe being on the other foot where I've argued and been subsequently proved correct that red was harsh on Steward. Christ how many times do I have to say I'm talking about the reaction from the Irish rugby public, not you specifically, haha. It's not all abo...

Toro

Yes, I was making the point that even fans who have previously lost their shit thought it wasn't red. That was my whole point! You then replied, that means nothing as NZ fans never call for reds. I said kiwis are generally anti-red cards, not the same. We feel they ruin games. In said series, it wa...

Toro

Bit risky with short arse Kirifi on the bench too but they're all powerful boys, it's only the lineout where it could be a problem but Ardie and Sititi have always been successful targets. Looking very bare in the second row. Thank god Roigard is there, otherwise I'd be thinking this really is Scotl...

Toro

A player bracing for impact when another player runs into him has been varying degrees of play on to yellow. Can you give me a few examples of red that weren't overturned? Why would I? My point is fairly clear, calling the red 'ridiculous' is a stretch. It used to be, shoulder, with force, direct t...

Toro

You said that NZ fans are beyond reproach and go out of their way to not call for reds but Irish fans are completely subjective and always either call for red if its their player that's the victim or always say their player is an angel if they're the perpetrator. Well, I paraphrased but thats essen...

Toro

You lot were completely restrained regarding the Porter/Ta'avao incidents alright. In no way did some of you lose your shit when Porter wasn't red carded. :roll: Never said any of that. What's your point? You said that NZ fans are beyond reproach and go out of their way to not call for reds but Iri...

Toro

A spot of bother for a yellow, yes. And you always risk red A shoulder to the face, even with arms out, on a player who hasn't dipped or changed direction has probably been red carded 95% of the time in rugby during the last ten years. Far from ridiculous I'd still say. ;) A player bracing for impa...

Toro

A spot of bother for a yellow, yes. And you always risk red but sorry, you're putting words in my mouth and doing a 'I'm holier than you' routine. I will only ever look for a red for obvious foul play. If Sexton ran ahead of the ball, got a forward pass and ran straight into an opposing player who ...

Toro

CM11 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 07, 2025 4:26 pm A spot of bother for a yellow, yes. And you always risk red

A shoulder to the face, even with arms out, on a player who hasn't dipped or changed direction has probably been red carded 95% of the time in rugby during the last ten years.

Far from ridiculous I'd still say.

Toro

A spot of bother for a yellow, yes. And you always risk red but sorry, you're putting words in my mouth and doing a 'I'm holier than you' routine. I will only ever look for a red for obvious foul play. If Sexton ran ahead of the ball, got a forward pass and ran straight into an opposing player who ...

Toro

Yes and no. The other incidents in these fixtures were much more obvious in terms how one side could make it more/less than it was. I'm highly surprised there isn't unanimous backing for the card being overturned amongst the sane fans on here. It was one of the most obvious, mea culpa/low degree of...

Toro

Most of his movement is sideways. If Barrett felt a strong hit to his head he wouldn't have gone out of the way to try to get Beirne off. It was clearly a low impact collision, how high degree of danger was decided initially, I've no clue. Well that's the subjective part to it. Are there higher imp...

Toro

The mileage dragged out of this one. Kudos. Seems to be the story of Ireland v NZ matches in the last decade... cards... every match seems to have cards... mostly NZ cards in the past... and how we have to learn to tackle lower... etc... so when it's on the other foot... roles reversed.. Ireland fa...

Toro

This is really nice, and fair analysis. This was the part which nailed it for me, which wasn't a widely-shown replay angle. https://youtu.be/rui7SYwXrEo?si=sqPuPNbESvI9tTwE&t=315 Beirne drives forward and upward into the contact, tucking his arm and leading with his shoulder. If there's direct head...

Toro

Barrett doesn't seem to agree with Dai's take on it, weird. Beauden Barrett ('NZ10) provided a statement in which he said: "I was running a decoy line on the short side, inside-out, on the left side of the field (bench side). The play wasn't designed for me to receive the ball, and I didn't expect ...

Toro

Pretty good analysis of the red card decision here: https://youtu.be/rui7SYwXrEo?si=QtCkamKBksdx_EzE Bernie's actions are a lot more forceful than I thought from the views I saw during the game. This is really nice, and fair analysis. This was the part which nailed it for me, which wasn't a widely-...

Toro

Tehui wrote: ↑Sat Oct 04, 2025 2:35 pm He's lucky not to receive a red.

He went one hand and should''ve probably been a penalty but not yellow.

Toro

For those who have been calling for Razor to be bolder in selections all year: what would you do this week? The Bled is secure, winning TRC will be tough, and after this we have a grand slam tour, where Wales is the only game you could run a second team and be confident. Do you use this game to giv...

Toro

She'll be a high scoring game this one, hope Love gets a run at 10. We generally looked very good on attack, but a few players in space got isolated so support players need to be in better positions earlier to protect the ball. Wallabies attack was great, the way they come around the corner in waves...

Toro

Is Parker just another Dom Bird-type player? Very large and very limited? Bird? Parker is very athletic, he’s not being used as a runner in space at the moment but he’s potent. He’s doing a lot of the hard work we want from a Kaino like 6, and I think his stats are pretty good reading for work rate.

Toro

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:03 am
mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:02 am Surely no doubt over the MOTM?

Roigard proves he’s our most important player.
Absolutely. He makes a huge difference

He was so good in the first 20 I think he had in sewn up already.

Toro

Unlucky Wobs, criminal the kicks for touch that didn’t go out, you guys lost at least two clear chances to get going in the 22 and when you guys were there a try looked very likely. I bit more accuracy round the ruck I think more often than not you had us contained when you gave away penalties in ou...

Toro

The wallabies ruck work is basically getting the ref to coach them into hands away all the time, it’s a fine line to walk the whole game.

Toro

Piardi has f**ked the Wobs at many rucks, but that was the right call How? Potter was the only guy there. If you wanted to be pedantic you could argue he had one arm on the ground. But ruck formed was just wrong. A ruck is not formed until two opposing players are engaged over the ball. Potter was ...

Toro

I know he only fed that one on the Tupaea has been great apart from the bombed try.

Toro

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 7:33 am
Toro wrote: ↑Sat Sep 27, 2025 7:31 am Tupaea blew that
Should have passed. White line fever.

Was Clarke injured?

Yeah just before the half after a run up the flank.

Toro

Tupaea blew that

Toro

These "momentum swings" seem largely referee driven tbh. Feels like he's now keeping the Wallabies in there. There's so many little technicalities referees can pick on if they want to on either team and still "not be wrong". Exactly as I'm seeing things watching it. It's funny listening the comment...

Toro

Wobs looking great once they get in out half! Hell if a game, we’re falling victim to getting too much space and letting carriers get isolated, great start but struggling now to contain wobs attack and gifting them far too many chances in our half.

Rain to play a big part in the second half?

Toro

elcamino wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:20 am
elcamino wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:19 am
AnkleTap wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:05 am Decent link anyone?
SOS none of the my go tos are working
edit found this https://vipleague.im/rugby/new-zealand- ... ing-link-1

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This is working for me if you need a plan b

Toro

ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:19 am What a crazy tackle by Jordie - that was an impossible save

That's crazy that it wasn't advantage over.

Toro

How did an Aussie make the best idea in the last 30 years of rugby (full SA tour) about them?

Hope the Bledisloe games this year are crackers, watching both teams D certainly points towards high scoring games.

Toro

Esterhuizen is a beast, surprised he isn't starting. He is a loose forward and backline replacement at this stage. Absolutely. He carved us up at Twickenham and was the best Bok on the park in the loss to the Aussies this year. There are clearly parts of his D maybe that I'm missing but a guy that ...

Toro

That was exactly 1 frame before he caught the ball, but I've gone ahead 2 frames. https://64.media.tumblr.com/b94f29d7180d1eacbb982c44e56754b5/fa01519be33b5cc4-36/s540x810/9ddfd1295470bea1580be2bfb5c93add5f5f1b83.pnj 2 more frames https://64.media.tumblr.com/71bb9b5e244863cc18ec0ea9d7101d86/fa01519...

Toro

I think it's a stretch to say Barrett deliberately went to kick someone, in the face or otherwise, but we've removed guessing intent from pretty much every incident. If your actions are reckless beyond what any reasonable player would expect then you're playing roulette. I think red was a bit harsh...

Toro

He clearly loses his balance backwards which is why raised knee becomes raised boot. Look at the angle of his torso when he's making the catch, his torso is at about 40 degrees and his centre of gravity is completely off. It's also why he falls on his arse when he lands. I can see the argument that...

Toro

I still think the Jordie one was complete bullshit. He didn't lead with the foot he fell backwards and his foot came up as a natural reaction. Complete accident and far less preventable than someone leading with the knee. Also, I've just noticed that Koroibete holds the top of his head immediately ...

Toro

Well that caught me by surprise, I saw the team on on socials and thought it was a piss take. Not because of the players but it just seemed like an obscene amount of changes. Exciting looking backline but one we can score a lot of points against. Libbok an interesting call off the bench, and back to...

Toro

Nah just unfortunate, but any ref has the right to consider this action dangerous. It's widely accepted that the player attacking the ball which is coming towards him/her owns the right to jump knees first, and often coached as a form of self protection and to discourage the tackler or challenger t...

Toro

Nah just unfortunate, but any ref has the right to consider this action dangerous. It's widely accepted that the player attacking the ball which is coming towards him/her owns the right to jump knees first, and often coached as a form of self protection and to discourage the tackler or challenger to...

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