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Fark- seen the Facebook videos of the excel centre? Hospital and two big morgues plus the giant morgues dotted around the country. Tradies have been taking videos, I think we need to expect a tsunami here, I’ve certainly been getting a bit relaxed about it all. Infection rate increase is actually s...

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Bloody hell, hello again. Yup. The larger trusts are still okay, but my sister and a couple of others are describing a feeling of trepidation. Some of the smaller trusts are getting overwhelmed Everyone's feeling trepidation. That's perfectly natural. We're headed into the unknown. But the messagin...

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Man In Black wrote:That's exactly what I was hearing. They have said it feels like the calm before the storm, but so far things are very much under control.

Precisely that. We're not close to capacity yet. We will be, I'm sure, before it's over. But the sky isn't falling in yet.

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Feck me that was a busy day. The stuff I have heard from London is harrowing, not enough vents, PPE a nightmare and staff dropping like flies. This is as bad as expected. Shit. Thanks for all you are doing. I have heard from contacts at RCH Treliske that they are already at capacity...and staff dro...

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ZappaMan wrote:Well then his opinion of the English and French businessmen who own the clubs is far higher than my own.

Really? I've met the chairman of my club. Thoroughly decent guy who knows and loves his rugby.

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bobbyfatfingers wrote:he criticised them for conducting their negotiations through the media, hardly militant, especially when he pointed out that what they were saying in public was not what was beeing said in private.

Which, as was pointed out at the time, is him doing precisely the same thing.

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Have they? The unions have said bugger all AFAIK - the ERC have issuing press releases, but I am not sure if any of them are what you would call militant. Philip Browne's been quite vocal on this. What has Philip Browne said that could be considered "militant"? He was calling the English and French...

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jrp wrote:Have they? The unions have said bugger all AFAIK - the ERC have issuing press releases, but I am not sure if any of them are what you would call militant.

Philip Browne's been quite vocal on this.

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jrp wrote:What?

They've been firing press releases at each other for months now.

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My point is not to reconfigure the English scene though. Well it did seem that it was... However to not understand or accept that the smaller rugby countries have a different model, by economic necessity, and that that model relies on the HEC for its very survival, and that their model cannot ever ...

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Seneca of the Night wrote:Sefton is the only scouse rugby supporter in the history of the game. Not a good place for a team, no.

That being the case I struggle to see where you'd put a club where there isn't already one.

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But if thats the definition of where a professional sports team "should" exist, I dont see why it can't also apply to most of the English cities that have wound up with professional rugby. I dont think Exeter's rise can be described as an "accident" for example. They're there because they've succes...

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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Cthulu's Trilby wrote:I can't see how a similar franchise system would work in England. The clubs are where they are because that's where the people who want to watch them are.
Yeah, some of the attendances are stellar. The clubs are where they are mostly by attrition and accident.

Where would you put them?

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I can't see how a similar franchise system would work in England. The clubs are where they are because that's where the people who want to watch them are.

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If rugby ever takes off in the USA we'll be looking at this problem x1000. Well, possibly, but the NFL runs itself very well on Rabo type principle, where teams go where it makes sense, and not by way of accident to small midwestern cities. I guess you have to when your towns are 500 miles apart. B...

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If rugby ever takes off in the USA we'll be looking at this problem x1000.

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anonymous_joe wrote:I'm talking about the rugby sections of the British and Irish papers.

And I've seen surprisingly little editorial.

Although on reflection it makes quite a lot of sense given all of the conflicting information we're seeing.

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It's one thing to watch the Brits bend over for politicians, they always do for whoever Murdoch supports, or for Lefties if it's the Grauniad or righties if it's the Torygraph, but this is sports. At least the Irish media (who are as biased) are seeking English voices in the media. Hell Conor 'Quee...

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ovalball wrote:I don't think it's disingenous. Most of the England players have been brought up through the clubs' academies and represent an investment by the Clubs. And they are paying the guys.

I think the academies are also heavily funded by the RFU.

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Where the clubs own the most powerful asset i.e. the players, they are quite capable of setting up their own union. A few of these and you either end up with the IRB recognising them as the actual representation from a country or in extremis you end up with a rival governing body: boxing, darts to ...

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CM11 wrote:With this new deal the clubs get an extra 14m per year. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that around what they get from the RFU?

That's about half of what a newly promoted club would get. The established clubs get about £3.5 million I think.

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Where the clubs own the most powerful asset i.e. the players, they are quite capable of setting up their own union. A few of these and you either end up with the IRB recognising them as the actual representation from a country or in extremis you end up with a rival governing body: boxing, darts to ...

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Clubs win and we're down the route of football with club games being more important than international games. Which will be fine for England and France but it'll ruin everyone elses finances. I don't see it myself. The French might manage it but the English clubs would have to get exponentially mor...

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earl the beaver wrote:You should be rewarded for reaching the HEC, if all teams get equal money then what is the incentive of aiming to reach the top 6 come the second half of the season if you know you aren't going to win but can't get relegated.

That's farcical.

That's not how it pans out in real life though.

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earl the beaver wrote:Leinster are owned and run by the IRFU and McCafferty's proposals, if accepted, will ensure that Leinster will never be able to compete at this level again unless the IRFU wins Euromillions

In theory Leinster can't compete against Toulouse already...

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Yeah, the thing I don't get is that they announced their new comp a year ago with the BT deal, declaring the HEC dead, so why is it only recently that they've been saying ERC have been dragging their heels in negotiations and therefore they're not interested in dealing with ERC anymore? They made i...

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I've never been to Bath but from the pics the Rec doesn't look like it could be expanded much, is that right? I can't imagine they'd want to move either although needs must. What about Saints, any way of them upgrading/moving. The Rec is a charitable trust and has proven a nightmare to expand. Ther...

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CM11 wrote:Do you think some teams are being held back by their ground size? Saints in particular.

And Bath.

Some (like Exeter) are about right for average games but plan to expand for the likes of the big HEC games (ah shit...).

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If only you guys had realised this back when our clubs started complaining about this. But noooo, you were too busy trying to ensure your financial advantage turned into a competitive advantage. It was all "f**king club scumbags trying to ruin the game, English bastards, they kneecapped my dog you ...

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bobbity wrote:
Cthulu's Trilby wrote:If our tactical kicking is poor, does that mean we kick less or do we just hack hopeful balls up field?

Poor distance, and failing to find touch.

Yeah, but does the simulator take our poor kicking into account and try to run more, or does it include player delusion that we're good at kicking?

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If our tactical kicking is poor, does that mean we kick less or do we just hack hopeful balls up field?

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Giving game time is hardly a problem for the regions. Finding warm bodies to fill shirts is the problem. In every other country, James would be in a domestic squad offering injury cover, competition for places, strength in depth during internationals and continuity. As it stands, all of Cardiff's c...

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The ongoing decline of Welsh rugby has seen plenty of English interest in players. Even Tom James has a contract, so there's plenty of places where Rabo players will go Tom James hardly represents the decline of Welsh rugby does he? Well, yes he does. Surely he's a very fringe international taking ...

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P.T. wrote:The ongoing decline of Welsh rugby has seen plenty of English interest in players. Even Tom James has a contract, so there's plenty of places where Rabo players will go

Tom James hardly represents the decline of Welsh rugby does he?

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Okay, cheers. It seems to me that Sexton's a bit of a one-off in this situation. Firstly FHs are gold dust up here because of the paucity of options. Secondly if he did go for the kind of money they're talking about (750,000 Euros?) there aren't any English clubs that could pay that kind of money. O...

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DeDoc wrote:* wage bill at each province includes the national team players full international payments etc

Does that mean Sexton will get international payments direct from the IRFU on top of his French wage next time he plays for Ireland?

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23rd of October is bullshit from the ERC, what are they playing? Crazy isn't it. Are they are still persisting with their strategy of drawing it out for as long as possible and hoping it will go away. They should have met this week - what are they doing that could be more important? But not having ...

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What kind of wage bills do Leinster, Ulster and Munster operate on currently?

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Agree with that but if the player is important enough it's a way to keep them. For example, if any of your sides had Sexton they'd do what they could to keep him and if that meant putting him into the marquee position so be it. That would guarantee nothing though. Which clubs have that additional £...

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Also, don't the English clubs get a certain amount of 'free' academy players? If they're on academy wages, IIRC. Which doesn't really make much of an impact on this discussion. But I'll let CT/fatcat confirm that, as they're more familiar with the system than I am. There's £240,000 of academy credi...

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