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fatcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:06 pm Toro, the fact that you associate something like 'privilege' with an entire race is not helping your cause.

I'm specifically referring to those posting in this thread, and guessing what demographic they belong to. How's that associating it to an entire race?

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Well I'm using a dictionary definition, of which there are several. You however seem to be wedded to specifically the more recent meaning that 'progressives' have fought so hard to perpetuate. I'm not that bothered if you want to argue that someone can't be racist to a white person and it's really ...

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Well I'm using a dictionary definition, of which there are several. You however seem to be wedded to specifically the more recent meaning that 'progressives' have fought so hard to perpetuate. I'm not that bothered if you want to argue that someone can't be racist to a white person and it's really ...

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The only “systemic racism” in the West today is against whites, you can refuse to hire whites, give them college places, make hateful headlines, articles and statements about them in the mainstream media, ostracise them from society and it is perfectly acceptable, even though in many cases this is ...

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No there's not. Haha another great argument. Well ok, you seem to be very sure so I guess you're right. :roll: Well I'm using a dictionary definition, of which there are several. You however seem to be wedded to specifically the more recent meaning that 'progressives' have fought so hard to perpetu...

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REVERSE RACISM IS A MYTH While assumptions and stereotypes about white people do exist, this is considered racial prejudice, not racism. Racial prejudice refers to a set of discriminatory or derogatory attitudes based on assumptions derived from perceptions about race and/or skin colour. Thus, raci...

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A black person calling a white person a white c*** is racial prejudice, ie. racist. It's pretty simple really. There's a lot more to it than that I'm afraid, as much as you want it to be that simple so you can take some higher road. No there's not. Haha another great argument. Well ok, you seem to ...

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Idiotic racist word salad Get f*ucked A well presented argument, another one who doesn't read. This is more stuff that shouldn't be argued outside academia though. Systemic racism is obvs real but using it and theory like white people cant be racist in the real world is just giving white nats recru...

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Plato'sCave wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:29 pm
Toro wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:24 pm
Plato'sCave wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:19 pm

Idiotic racist word salad

Get f*ucked
A well presented argument, another one who doesn't read.
Racist apologists do not deserve to be read any further than the point they out themselves.

You managed two sentences.

Apologist for racism against white people.

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Racist: Someone who believes that other races are not as good as their own and therefore treats them unfairly Racism: Different from racial prejudice, hatred, or discrimination. Racism involves one group having the power to carry out systematic discrimination through the institutional policies and ...

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Not acceptable agreed, but it's a very old discussion as to whether you can be racist to white people and generally understood that by definition you can't be . Racism is, as Towny points out, generally understood as something that comes from institutionalised prejudice towards a minority group. Wh...

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fatcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:22 pm A black person calling a white person a white c*** is racial prejudice, ie. racist. It's pretty simple really.

There's a lot more to it than that I'm afraid, as much as you want it to be that simple so you can take some higher road.

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Go you and call someone a ‘queer’ ‘black’ plum or any other term and see what happens!!! Cheers, boomer. You’ve just added two, very well understood slurs in your example. It’s not the same and I couldn’t be arsed trying to get you to understand why. Easier and quicker to wait for you to die and ma...

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Not acceptable agreed, but it's a very old discussion as to whether you can be racist to white people and generally understood that by definition you can't be. Racism is, as Towny points out, generally understood as something that comes from institutionalised prejudice towards a minority group. Whit...

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Nice, that's much better.

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Harveys wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:56 pm
Tehui wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:35 pm And can we please have a RWC final without any cards?

There being no takers to start a decent match thread, I've done it myself. Enz

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I feel the Boks got pumped by Ben at the start, partly because they probably got the rub last week with a few calls so Ben's attention would've been drawn to it. Even the commentators noticed he was banging them for sh-t they got away with in the 1/4. I found it strange that they had him for two pla...

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Ok. Sounds like set pieces, kicks, and receiving kicks will be the order of the business in the final. Pretty much, it'll be a test of discipline and making sure we put on points when in the zone. I think the Argentina game was great prep given how we worked our way up the middle working at most on...

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Big call for Am to come straight back in. I agree with Faf and Pollard starting. I expect SA to name a 6/2 bench for the Final. Won't make any difference, they aren't going to use their backline at all. It's gonna be torrid final with that weather. Ok. Sounds like set pieces, kicks, and receiving k...

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I think De Klerk, Pollard and possibly Am will come into the starting 15. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Reinach, Libbock and Kriel drop out of the 23 and Kleyn and Williams come onto the bench. Big call for Am to come straight back in. I agree with Faf and Pollard starting. I expect SA to name a 6/2 ...

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Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:30 pm
Toro wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:28 pm Do we think the All Blacks will be better at moving the ball even in that weather? All that going up the middle against Argie would come in handy.
I'm fairly confident we can but it is quite risky given conditions will be similar.

Geez just looked, gonna rain all f'n week.

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I think the AB's will field the same 23 as they did in the Semi. Only questions would be does Whitelock or Retallick start? There might be some discussion as to Coles or Taukeiaho on the bench. Size or experience? Bulk or Speed? Have to be size with ST, we need to finish with out strongest scrum po...

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Do we think the All Blacks will be better at moving the ball even in that weather? All that going up the middle against Argie would come in handy.

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Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:11 pm Has to be said that South Africa did not handle the high ball in the semi and their lineout was wobbly.

We hammered them in Auckland with the same, their wingers are midgets.

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Why would they kick for a lineout - that is slowing the game down exactly what the Boks were trying to do with all of the their fake injuries. Wet ball - definitely the correct option to test the full back - they can’t do much about BOK awarding the latest mark call in the history of test rugby. I ...

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RWC finals are always tight nervy affairs. SA has given 2 masterclasses in a row on how to win such games. NZ has just given masterclasses on how to give away yellow cards in such situations. There was nothing from either team today that suggests NZ are in trouble. It is time we have more confidenc...

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Well that was intense, England paid the price in the end for showing nothing in attack. Brainless moments: Steward doing an up and under that went 10m, knockon = scrum = penalty Kicking at the end to give them the chance to mark and set a scrum, should've been putting the ball out to kill time and m...

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South Africa wouldn’t be better if they weren’t shackled by their racist selection policies. Which, apparently is ok now because it’s the other way around. They have to think of their colour percentages rather than tactics. Probably troubled them to take the black fly half off for the white one wit...

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How many England droppies in the 2nd half?

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I know it's not scintillating rugby but it's engrossing and fun watching SA being out Boked. They are aye? England seems to be good pretty much just in the areas the Boks look to exploit: Scrums, Maul defence and kick receptions. Lineout steals have been great too. England look lost for ideas once ...

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Mr. Very Popular wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:46 pm Didn't change his line at all, terrible call again.

Geez open the other eye haha, he did exactly what Ben said, he stepped back into his path causing him to fall into Kolbe. Choose some 50/50 ones to moan about, not the dead obvious.

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Margin_Walker wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:13 pm
True Blue wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:12 pm Hmm..hard done there Boks. Looks good to me.
Kolisi is second man in there.

It's already a ruck. Clearest pen you'll see all night

Yep.

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How in Christ is this 6 pages long? 🖐️ I am Jack's complete lack of surprise :lol: What even is there to argue about? Pick your tangent!!! fans, low quality games, the 50/50, and Winnie has simplified his 'does the best team always win?' argument into a 'patronising' yes/no answer, as he swims in h...

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mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:14 pm
Who would play Ian Foster?

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:lol: I don’t think you really appreciate how funny most of us are finding this. Stumbling into a Final is just outrageous given the last few years and losing to SA won’t materially diminish the unexpected pleasure this has delivered for so many of us. In fact it will reinforce a lot of the feeling...

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Our winning streak was 3 (Namibia, Italy and Uruguay), preceded by our heaviest ever loss, and first ever loss in a pool game.

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DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:54 pm
Nolanator wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:45 pm How in Christ is this 6 pages long?
To see if the best team wins the tournament.

I say yes.

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The Kiwis are in the final. The Welsh choked in the QFs. The English have a semi today. And yet here they all are OBSESSING with what some of our journalists are saying. We're living rent free in your heads lads. And they have a point regarding atmosphere: the French and Irish fans have been the mo...

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Things may be different next week though. If and I say a big IF SA win next week Kiwi smugness towards us will turn to hurt and resentment towards the Boks. I'm sure you all know the feeling well. Seems you harboured it against us for an entire year. We'll stick to our low expectations for now than...

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The Kiwis are in the final. The Welsh choked in the QFs. The English have a semi today. And yet here they all are OBSESSING with what some of our journalists are saying. We're living rent free in your heads lads. And they have a point regarding atmosphere: the French and Irish fans have been the mo...

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