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This is pretty funny, actually. These people actually seem to be prepared to believe that Peterson is arguing that society somehow forces individuals into monogamous relationships against their will to benefit the new boogeymen, incels, rather than explaining the evolution of monogamy from a social...

pontifex

This is pretty funny, actually. These people actually seem to be prepared to believe that Peterson is arguing that society somehow forces individuals into monogamous relationships against their will to benefit the new boogeymen, incels, rather than explaining the evolution of monogamy from a social...

pontifex

This is pretty funny, actually. These people actually seem to be prepared to believe that Peterson is arguing that society somehow forces individuals into monogamous relationships against their will to benefit the new boogeymen, incels, rather than explaining the evolution of monogamy from a social...

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Tschussie wrote:Could someone post the full interview, pretty please?

Not unless the NYT journalist releases it. That quote is lifted from context, presumably in an interview with the journalist herself.

pontifex

This is pretty funny, actually. These people actually seem to be prepared to believe that Peterson is arguing that society somehow forces individuals into monogamous relationships against their will to benefit the new boogeymen, incels, rather than explaining the evolution of monogamy from a social ...

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:lol: He's explaining the way in which religious doctrine encoded social evolutionary reality. It's very evident that bad faith interpretation is the only strategy available to Peterson's detractors, and that you are simply taking your cues from higher level detractors in the media. Peterson's feti...

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How would his detractors explain the fact that the Judeo-Christian world has legislated (or enforced) for centuries that marriage can only be a relation between two people? Is it merely arbitrary? An accident of cultural history? Is that a superior analysis? Shrugging ones shoulders in a gesture of...

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How would his detractors explain the fact that the Judeo-Christian world has legislated (or enforced) for centuries that marriage can only be a relation between two people? Is it merely arbitrary? An accident of cultural history? Is that a superior analysis? Shrugging ones shoulders in a gesture of...

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How would his detractors explain the fact that the Judeo-Christian world has legislated (or enforced) for centuries that marriage can only be a relation between two people? Is it merely arbitrary? An accident of cultural history? Is that a superior analysis? Shrugging ones shoulders in a gesture of ...

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Just read about the enforced monogomy :lol: Fecking hilarious I'm sorry, is bigamy legal where you are? :lol: :lol: :lol: Is bigamy legal? Or is Peterson saying that legislating marriage as between no more than two individuals is a form of enforced monogamy, designed to solve precisely the problem ...

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It's guff that makes him millions from the true believers like Ponti. If I hadn't checked the poster I could have sworn Silver had returned. Yes, yes. Deliberately misunderstand his remarks and call anyone who reads him in good faith an idiot or a slavish cult member. We've seen the strategy. You'r...

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Just read about the enforced monogomy :lol: Fecking hilarious I'm sorry, is bigamy legal where you are? :lol: :lol: :lol: Is bigamy legal? Or is Peterson saying that legislating marriage as between no more than two individuals is a form of enforced monogamy, designed to solve precisely the problem ...

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It's guff that makes him millions from the true believers like Ponti. If I hadn't checked the poster I could have sworn Silver had returned. Yes, yes. Deliberately misunderstand his remarks and call anyone who reads him in good faith an idiot or a slavish cult member. We've seen the strategy. You'r...

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c69 wrote:Just read about the enforced monogomy
Fecking hilarious

I'm sorry, is bigamy legal where you are?

pontifex

This is the level of gibberish the idiots on this thread are lapping up. “It makes sense that a witch lives in a swamp. Yeah,” he says. “Why?” It’s a hard one. “Right. That’s right. You don’t know. It’s because those things hang together at a very deep level. Right. Yeah. And it makes sense that an...

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I often wonder whether the misunderstanding is a cheap rhetorical strategy, or a result of genuine stupidity. Have you read Jung, or Propp, or even Levi-Strauss? Peterson is simply a structuralist, which generally makes a whole lot more sense than the post-structuralist nonsense that most of his de...

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The second amendment is philosophical/political. It was an explicit counterweight against the state monopoly on (the potential for) force, a profoundly important part of the foundation of the American experiment. The practical/technological reality has changed. That doesn't change the philosophical/...

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I often wonder whether the misunderstanding is a cheap rhetorical strategy, or a result of genuine stupidity. Have you read Jung, or Propp, or even Levi-Strauss? Peterson is simply a structuralist, which generally makes a whole lot more sense than the post-structuralist nonsense that most of his de...

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Watch it right to the end, by the way. Peterson and Fry are asked privately if they have anything to add, and they both say no, I said what I had to. The opposition were asked, and all they could talk about was Peterson.

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Ellison to Peterson: You're a mean old white man. This is as good an illustration of the state of debate as you'll see anywhere. That was an instructive insight into what first principles he takes for granted. And Fry says it again. Why haven't they discussed the proposition. Yep. Fry is doing well...

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Ellison to Peterson: You're a mean old white man. This is as good an illustration of the state of debate as you'll see anywhere. That was an instructive insight into what first principles he takes for granted. And Fry says it again. Why haven't they discussed the proposition. Yep. Fry is doing well...

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This is interesting. There's a lot of evasion. Much redefining of terms. Fry was right to point out that the proposers have spoken about politics more so than PC. I think that speaks volumes. Peterson suffers when unable to expand. His question about quantifying privilege was spot on though. Drew a...

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Dyson to Peterson:

You're a mean old white man.

This is as good an illustration of the state of debate as you'll see anywhere.

pontifex

I'm running a few minutes behind on the vid. With you shortly. Meh, no worries. You're a worthy (that's not quite the right word, but it's the one that comes to mind) interlocutor, but you're under no obligation to respond. I'm just posting responses to the debate - no doubt the pool of people here...

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Interesting that even Fry, on Peterson's side, is at pains to distance himself from Peterson. The efforts to make Peterson smelly have had their effect, albeit only at this level.

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Peterson makes an argument about the failure of the left to define and distance itself from its radical, unacceptable fringes here, and talks about equity as a problem, but fails to explain why it's a problem. He implies it by reference to previous totalitarian left regimes, but he needs to spell it...

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hermes-trismegistus wrote:
pontifex wrote:Peterson speaking now on the above linked debate.
Ta.

Out of interest, where do you hail from? Ireland? Just asking because I'd like to know where you fit into my crib-book of prejudicial stereotypes.

pontifex

Peterson speaking now on the above linked debate.

pontifex

I often wonder whether the misunderstanding is a cheap rhetorical strategy, or a result of genuine stupidity. Have you read Jung, or Propp, or even Levi-Strauss? Peterson is simply a structuralist, which generally makes a whole lot more sense than the post-structuralist nonsense that most of his de...

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I often wonder whether the misunderstanding is a cheap rhetorical strategy, or a result of genuine stupidity. Have you read Jung, or Propp, or even Levi-Strauss? Peterson is simply a structuralist, which generally makes a whole lot more sense than the post-structuralist nonsense that most of his det...

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BTW, I bought my culture and got my instructions from http://www.yogurtathome.com I might appropriate some of that. :thumbup: It's good shit, but the current batch has the consistency of snot. That reminds me how much I like cottage cheese :thumbup: Yeah, you need to be careful, cottage cheese is t...

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Santa wrote:
pontifex wrote:BTW, I bought my culture and got my instructions from http://www.yogurtathome.com
I might appropriate some of that.

It's good shit, but the current batch has the consistency of snot.

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Thai guy wrote:Is pontifex upset at being outed as an irrelevant old white male?

Jeez it's the whole gang lining up to be slapped down!

I wouldn't be surprised if i was the youngest Person posting in this thread, to be honest... Perhaps, though, the lack of meming lends me an air of maturity.

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The cool thing about all this is that Snaps hasn't bothered to respond to any of it. Probably can't find the right meme. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/121/234/LOOK_AT_ALL_THE_FUCKS_I_GIVE.gif nice to know that C u ntifex reciprocates my character assessment of him... That gif loo...

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Had to put my 12.5 year old Black lab down today, hit me harder than I thought it would as I was preparing myself for the end for months. It's been said “a dog gives you some of the best times of your life and one of the worst”. Very true. Still, definitely, definitely worth it. :( :( Sorry to hear...

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I'd get a Cardigan Corgi. I haven't had one in an apartment, but had one at a house (a cross, but clearly very much Cardigan), and he was chill, super fun and not too needy. Big dog spirit in a small medium body, super smart, loyal, though may need to be trained out of nipping heels. https://s14-eu5...

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BTW, I bought my culture and got my instructions from http://www.yogurtathome.com

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That thing about commenting on virtue-signalling being itself a form of virtue-signalling is one of the dumbest things I've heard. It's just criticism, unless we're goign to reductio ad absurdum all criticism and all speech to expressions of superiority. Sorry dudes, I was just having a pop at some...

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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:I think you have run out of anger by now

You clearly haven't. You've been trying every angle under the sun, with very comical results, for a couple of days (and of course, not for the first time). And still you haven't landed a blow.

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But you said you can handle being called a plum! Besides, who actually uses Virtue Signaling in real conversation? Of course I can. I'm just ridiculing a bunch of middle-aged schoolyard bullies trying to have a gotcha on someone else's coattails. Perhaps you should tell me again how I abused you on...

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