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by Wilderbeast
Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:26 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Being inclusive didn't prevent the abhorrent Union Jack being placed on our national flag. The koru, the unfurling fern frond? Who can't relate to that? I like most of the alternatives that have been put up. Just some more than others. Anything but the status quo please. There are only a few I woul...
by Wilderbeast
Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:11 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

UncleFB, I do think the koru can be a good symbol for New Zealand. I just think the fern is better. The main reason is your conservative types are likely to be far quicker to accept the fern than the koru. They see the koru as Maori, not New Zealand. You can argue till you are blue in the face how w...
by Wilderbeast
Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:08 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

guy smiley wrote:Red and black.

There's no other way.
Amber and black could be a goer...
by Wilderbeast
Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:56 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

By the way, just to prove my earlier point, this is a link to the last time this topic was done to death barely 7 months back... ...but for what it's worth, this was what I thought was the best of the options canvassed that day, and I don't think I was alone. I'd be happy to have a fine-looking fla...
by Wilderbeast
Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:35 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

By the way, just to prove my earlier point, this is a link to the last time this topic was done to death barely 7 months back... ...but for what it's worth, this was what I thought was the best of the options canvassed that day, and I don't think I was alone. I'd be happy to have a fine-looking fla...
by Wilderbeast
Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:16 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

By the way, just to prove my earlier point, this is a link to the last time this topic was done to death barely 7 months back... ...but for what it's worth, this was what I thought was the best of the options canvassed that day, and I don't think I was alone. I'd be happy to have a fine-looking fla...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:11 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

It's an irrelevance to me (in the flag debate) which is why we're all having this argument. As for the second bold, :lol: fudge off with the emotive argument. I'm not disrespecting anyone by agitating for a change of flag. No. I won't fudge off with the emotive argument. Because that's the reality....
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:05 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Logic behind this is the most successful flags are easy to draw ? How is the success of a flag measured? Unofficially? Just general debate I guess. Officially? well there are lots of would-be experts at all manner of universities writing research papers which assign weightings based on a certain lo...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:59 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

My biggest issue with most ferns is the difficulty your regular New Zealander would have in drawing it. There's probably no simple way of drawing a fern frond. Unless you go with some sort of koru. http://i.minus.com/dYNMzUTACqvvl/korustripe.png I think we should have at least some black, but if it...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:49 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Pity for someone who has clearly thought about this a lot to be so terrible at implementation. Politics beckons my boy... Already in the public sector 8) My "interpretation". Still doesn't quite work, but it's an attempt! http://i.minus.com/d3YfgjF9IM8wx/nzflaggie.PNG I like that flag. Better that ...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:45 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Why did you ditch the red from the stars? Makes it Australian-ish to my mind and breaks the link with the current flag. And why did you switch the blue and black? The stars on a black background is striking I admit, but I kept it on the blue as a nod to our current flag. Otherwise :thumbup: (natura...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:41 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

The last article I read on the subject said white in the flag often coincided with prosperity and green with poverty. Unfortunately, the author then went on to explain in detail that by changing your flag to white wouldn't automatically make you a prosperous nation... Lost a touch of credibility the...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:37 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Logic behind this is the most successful flags are easy to draw ? How is the success of a flag measured? Unofficially? Just general debate I guess. Officially? well there are lots of would-be experts at all manner of universities writing research papers which assign weightings based on a certain lo...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:32 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

here we go - my effort (with a nod to those that have gone before): http://i.imgur.com/pXDypA8.jpg Why did you ditch the red from the stars? Makes it Australian-ish to my mind and breaks the link with the current flag. And why did you switch the blue and black? The stars on a black background is st...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:09 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Not convinced about the drawing of it part at all. There's loads of flags I wouldn't be able to unless I had a detailed version to copy. Literally dozens. Try the Indian flag for one. Yes but I'm not a particular fan of the Indian flag. In fact I don't particularly like any flag I would have diffic...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:46 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Not convinced about the drawing of it part at all. There's loads of flags I wouldn't be able to unless I had a detailed version to copy. Literally dozens. Try the Indian flag for one. Yes but I'm not a particular fan of the Indian flag. In fact I don't particularly like any flag I would have diffic...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:11 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Pity for someone who has clearly thought about this a lot to be so terrible at implementation. Politics beckons my boy... Already in the public sector 8) My "interpretation". Still doesn't quite work, but it's an attempt! Yours looks much nicer, but I prefer the simpler fern in mine. My biggest iss...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:08 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Two good reasons to change? :roll: Anyone got a good reason? 1. The union jack is an anachronism in 2014 NZ. We should be a republic by now, ffs. 2. John Banks supports retaining the union jack. The union jack isn't an anachronism. It represents where we came from and the basis of the country, wher...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:55 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

AD345 wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:

Pity for someone who has clearly thought about this a lot to be so terrible at implementation.
Politics beckons my boy...
Already in the public sector 8)
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:54 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Hmm not too keen on that tbh, it looks like a logo. We're not trying to sell anything. If you're referring to mine, it's an unfortunate by-product of every man and his dog cashing in on our national symbol before we had a chance to claim it ourselves. My wife agrees with you. Not sure there's a cle...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:51 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Christ it looks worse than I remember, but the idea is sound. Should try and find someone who knows a thing or two about computer designs to tidy it up with the proper stars, shade of blue, get the proportions right etc I also had the thought that the number of fronds on the right could signify som...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:43 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

Christ it looks worse than I remember, but the idea is sound. Should try and find someone who knows a thing or two about computer designs to tidy it up with the proper stars, shade of blue, get the proportions right etc I also had the thought that the number of fronds on the right could signify some...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:25 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

[quote="jambanja"][quote="Burke's Boot"]That aint bad http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Kyle_Lockwood's_New_Zealand_Flag.svg/800px-Kyle_Lockwood's_New_Zealand_Flag.svg.png Make the red bit black and you have a winner Like this? http://i.minus.com/dpX6Bi0MyqylM/NZsd.PNG [/spoi...
by Wilderbeast
Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:08 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.
Replies: 428
Views: 45718

Re: Kiwis looking at changing their flag.

That aint bad http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Kyle_Lockwood's_New_Zealand_Flag.svg/800px-Kyle_Lockwood's_New_Zealand_Flag.svg.png Make the red bit black and you have a winner Like this? http://i.minus.com/dpX6Bi0MyqylM/NZsd.PNG Not bad. Still looks like a decent flag. I agr...
by Wilderbeast
Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:14 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Star Wars: Episode VII
Replies: 113
Views: 9709

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII

I was a massive fan of The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. I am not a fan of the first 2 hobbit movies though. Long, bloated and action tedium. I have a knew respect and admiration for the Star Wars Prequels now. Lucas got on with the job of telling his story whilst managing to keep the spirit of the or...
by Wilderbeast
Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:11 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Star Wars: Episode VII
Replies: 113
Views: 9709

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII

I broadly agree that the machete order looks great in that it airbrushes the abomination known as I out of existence. However I do feel that you would lose some of the Anakin backstory and you wouldn't have been introduced to his mother before she was killed in II. I like the idea where you can wat...
by Wilderbeast
Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:49 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Star Wars: Episode VII
Replies: 113
Views: 9709

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII

Star Wars isn't Sci-Fi really. It's Space Fantasy. It's a Western. Set in space. I keep hearing the cowboys in space comments whenever Star Wars is mentioned but I honestly don't know why? It's your cliche fantasy plot set in space, all the way down to the chosen one defeating the evil overlord wit...
by Wilderbeast
Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:38 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Star Wars: Episode VII
Replies: 113
Views: 9709

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII

Star Wars isn't Sci-Fi really. It's Space Fantasy. It's a Western. Set in space. I keep hearing the cowboys in space comments whenever Star Wars is mentioned but I honestly don't know why? It's your cliche fantasy plot set in space, all the way down to the chosen one defeating the evil overlord wit...
by Wilderbeast
Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:41 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Well done ICC - NOT
Replies: 574
Views: 24754

Re: Well done ICC - NOT

Makes for very sad reading
by Wilderbeast
Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:05 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug
Replies: 612
Views: 41038

Re: The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug

I think the large problem with HFR is it looks too realistic. It jarred for me in the first film, and I recalled telling people it was like actually being there, on site, when they were making the movie. You had so much clarity that you effectively felt like you could see the actors, all dressed up ...
by Wilderbeast
Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:42 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug
Replies: 612
Views: 41038

Re: The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug

Watched this this morning in bed - awful. Boring, boring stuff. Literally, nothing happens. 4.5 out of 10 Do you know what literally means? I do. I suppose it was more a figure of speech. I was really annoyed at the end of the first movie because I was still waiting for some significant event to ha...
by Wilderbeast
Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:45 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug
Replies: 612
Views: 41038

Re: The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug

feckwanker wrote:Watched this this morning in bed - awful. Boring, boring stuff. Literally, nothing happens.

4.5 out of 10
Do you know what literally means?
by Wilderbeast
Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:51 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug
Replies: 612
Views: 41038

Re: The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug

I loved the HFR...
by Wilderbeast
Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:50 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Piers Morgan "beaten-up" by Brett Lee in Melbourne
Replies: 929
Views: 94854

Re: Piers Morgan "beaten-up" by Brett Lee in Melbourne

So Morgan is a wanker. Got it. Lee was still a twat to body bowl when he could have easily sent the stumps spinning 4-6 times. Pretty embarrassing all round and for all concerned. Hadlee seems to have gotten a bit too precious over the incident but the supreme preciousness award must surely go to t...
by Wilderbeast
Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:52 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Piers Morgan "beaten-up" by Brett Lee in Melbourne
Replies: 929
Views: 94854

Re: Piers Morgan "beaten-up" by Brett Lee in Melbourne

So Morgan is a wanker. Got it. Lee was still a twat to body bowl when he could have easily sent the stumps spinning 4-6 times. Pretty embarrassing all round and for all concerned. Hadlee seems to have gotten a bit too precious over the incident but the supreme preciousness award must surely go to to...
by Wilderbeast
Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:07 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Trans-Pacific Partnership FTA - USA takeover
Replies: 57
Views: 5070

Re: Trans-Pacific Partnership FTA - USA takeover

This really does seem to be the antithesis of free trade, market forces, innovation and free market competition. :? So why are National so keen on it? Do a comparison between NZ exports to China pre free trade and now. Better yet, look at the trend. The increase has been astronomical. Money is why....
by Wilderbeast
Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:32 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: NZ: who's in charge here?
Replies: 753
Views: 119051

Re: NZ: who's in charge here?

I can't say I like Kim Dotcom much, vying with the likes of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton for least deserving of celebrity status. That said, I think some of the concerns the left have are genuine and are nothing to do with Kim Dotcom. He doesn't help their cause though. He treads the line very cl...
by Wilderbeast
Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:00 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: NZ: who's in charge here?
Replies: 753
Views: 119051

Re: NZ: who's in charge here?

I've always liked Audrey Young, and I think she's on the money here.
by Wilderbeast
Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:30 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: NZ: who's in charge here?
Replies: 753
Views: 119051

Re: NZ: who's in charge here?

In mis-information !!! Acting like Norton anti-virus - :lol: please. Dumber and dumber. Campbell has never been a decent interviewer, being far too polite. Someone like Brian Edwards would have eaten Key alive if he tried that variety of bullshit. However the days of the media being nearly as able ...
by Wilderbeast
Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:42 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: NZ: who's in charge here?
Replies: 753
Views: 119051

Re: NZ: who's in charge here?

Correct me if im wrong, but the SIS have always been able to spy on New Zealanders, haven't they?