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More IYI logic. Hey, if we have limited studies of a new virus that say one thing that must 100% be the case. And also, if we just tell symptomatic people to stay home, they universally will. What you don't seem to get is that universal mask wearing is an asymmetric play. There is very little downs...

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people couldn't be out if they have a cough. They should stay at home. Telling then they can go out if they wear a mask is nonsense. Seriously what f**king drugs are you taking kid He's absolutely correct. If you're symptomatic, stay home. In the limited studies of asymptomatic people they have no,...

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Let them eat cake. Meanwhile back in reality, there are people who have to get to their jobs at a certain time and don't have the luxury of just not being on public transport. This will be even more true after the lockdown is lifted. I'm guessing you haven't seen the packed subways in NY because th...

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And what about in situations where you can't stay far away from people? That's often not an option on public transportation in big cities, particularly at rush hour. There are no such situations. The lockdown prevents most people being on public transport. If it was busy I wouldn't use it. When I'm...

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Oh I know all the science behind the different masks but you’ve both missed my point. You’ve to get on the tube tomorrow morning at rush hour - would you prefer a carriage where everyone’s wearing masks or one where nobody is? As I said in my original post, sometimes we can overthink things. There’...

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It reminds me of the bicycle helmet debate. The benefits seem obvious but a small group seem intent on over thinking it. The benefits are seen to be too small. Low grade masks will still let virus through - some protection, better than none. It certainly was believed that this virus was likely to b...

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Anonymous. wrote:A barrier over your mouth and nose is going to catch droplets as they leave your mouth or nose and probably decrease the distance reached by many particles that get through. Would you agree ?

Yes I would. But I'm not going to have an IPC discussion on here of all places. I can do that at work.

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Mistaking absence of "evidence" (why are masks ubiquitous in South Korea?) for evidence of absence. Classic IYI logic. I wasn't going to bother but okay. South Korea implemented an extremely thorough programme of tracking and isolating everyone who'd come into contact with the virus. They were very...

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goeagles wrote:Let's go one by one with this nonsense:

I like the way you proved by point by just making three bald assertions rather than providing evidence.

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The WHO has been an abomination pretty much every step of the way. "No human to human transmission", "don't stop travel", "masks don't work, don't wear them"... When there was no evidence of human to human transmission, that's what they said. The WHO didn't issue a travel advisory based on the evid...

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I've a notion the Nightingale Hospitals will have a bigger part to play after we come out of lockdown and inevitably hit subsequent infection waves. My wife's best friend is the Clinical Nurse Manager at one of the large hospitals up here. She suggested that eventually all Covid cases would go to t...

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eldanielfire wrote:I think some of the hawks have already been saying this in right wing media.

The irony being that the very NHS management they love to berate as useless were the ones who found novel ways to double and triple existing capacity, thus negating the need for Nightingale so far.

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Derwyn wrote:Hopefully the peak will be this week and we can start to slowly move forwards. Let’s see.

Peak of what? New cases, CCU cases or deaths?

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dargotronV.1 wrote:
c69 wrote: What PPE would you suggest?
Gloves and a mask? Do you think they would be of use?
Don't they sit behind plastic at passport control?

They do and I came through Heathrow just as this was all hotting up and they were wearing gloves. Masks would be superfluous.

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Are Scotland really including nursing home deaths in the daily figures as you said earlier? Fairly sure they're not since the BBC reported a couple of days ago that the Care Inspectorate was requesting suspected Corona deaths in Scottish care homes be reported to them but that they weren't going to...

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fishfoodie wrote: On the whole, I'd give more credence to the RMA; but even then, you have a subjective opinion of the adequacy, & sufficiency of supplies ?

Are we talking about the BMA here? Because if so, whilst your point probably stands, they don't ever miss a chance to complain...

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For example my colleague has failed fit testing in all but one of the masks, this is quite common btw. Our Trust has had no further delivery of these masks. Therefore she or anyone else who can only use these masks can not work clinically with covid patients. It's complicated, espacially as she wor...

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1000 pieces of PPE per HCW sounds like loads but they could be doing something mental like counting a single box of gloves as 100 individual pieces - or individual surgical masks, which we know are fairly useless. They almost certainly are counting like that since PPE needs are based on how many in...

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I've heard from 4 people at 4 different hospitals who are all saying they lack PPE and are getting worried and anxious about it. It doesn't matter if some hospitals have PPE, if they all don't have it there isn't enough being supplied. It doesn't matter if some do. We're well-stocked for everything...

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Just back in from work :(( It's going to get much worse, a bit of a calm before the Tsunami that Inmay havebto deal with in the coming days. Whatever the govt says about there being enough PPE is bollocks it's reafhing the fromtline. Think I will have a beer, the unintended consequence would be tha...

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I asked a genuine question , particularly as it was aimed at someone in the medical world. Funny that you “missed” that to tell your lies. Unfortunately I have no idea how Germany count their cases. I think it's unlikely if someone comes in with Covid and dies of sepsis, organ failure or heart atta...

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Deaths are the only good comparative measure for comparing the size of a countries outbreak and even then countries are reporting differently. Differences in reporting explain it somewhat, but why are Germany's mortality figures so low? Even with excess ventilators, there's only so much you can do ...

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Am I reading those stats wrongly? it looks as though in Italy you have a fairly constant 50/50 chance of survival, whereas in Germany, even at its worst, there was a 75% chance of surviving? The only difference that makes sense is that Germany is testing more people and taking less severe cases int...

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Big rise from NHS England at 738 Yes - with the Scottish catchup figure today we're goingt to be reporting around 820-ish I guess for the UK. But even then the trend line appears to be becoming shallower Today's figure across the board will include some weekend deaths. Yesterday's total was 439 so ...

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Lombardy and Wuhan are similar population sizes (Wuhan 1m more) with the latter being higher population density, I presume? Wuhan's a city and Lombardy a province, so Wuhan itself is definitely more densely populated. But The way it spread in Italy could not have been more unfortunate. When the fir...

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And it was running amok in their country for a month or two before they did that. As I said, if their stats are to be believed that's a massive pointer in BCG's favour. Although Iran (and Turkey fast moving up on the inside) are not. Indeed I'm not entirely sure China is. It makes more sense to loo...

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RodneyRegis wrote:What's China's coverage like?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3062527/

Table 1 - looks to have been universal at least until recently.

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It wasn't until the virus hit Europe that children started dying (that we know of). If you follow that on, it could be that children become vectors much more readily in the unvaccinated populations, leading to greater penetration and death. A handful of children have died and I'd say that's proport...

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From another perspective, I note that all patients in the main study that were given the malaria medicine had only mild symptoms when given the medicine. I may be wrong, but were they also of an age that they would have also received the BCG vaccination ? If so, control groups may need to be set up...

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Aren't the Mercedes F1 CPAPs due to be signed off imminently? It's going to be the use of O2 and the lack of masks and circuits and properly skilled staff that will be a problem. Lots of ward areas are built on templates with a maximal O2 flow rate per template. This is easily reached with a few pa...

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Seneca of the Night wrote:Don't go into ICU seems to be the message in general.

Very much a rule of thumb to be taken beyond this particular outbreak.

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paddyor wrote: It's a risk, but it's a low risk. Suppose some RNA lands on a door handle, it can only infect one person.

If someone coughs in their hand and uses a door handle it infects everyone who uses the door handle for some hours (assuming they don't wash their hands thoroughly after using it).

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CM11 wrote:The BCG thing is interesting.

Italy has never used it.
Spain stopped in 1981.
South Korea and Japan are all mass vaccinated.

The UK was certainly still administering it in the 90s when I was at school.

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Where did you get that stat? My girlfriend has been telling me their ICU was full and they were having to prioritise patients. This was more than a week ago. She cried a couple of times when she came home from work because there were patients they couldn't help as there was no room in the ICU. In t...

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terryfinch wrote:Another day without a single patient in UK being declared 'recovered'. That must be nearly a week now. What is going on?

Not sure it's a metric being officially recorded. My trust alone is registering more recovered patients than worldometer has in total.

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happyhooker wrote:Which trust CT?

Don't want to doxx myself on here - giving out info outside official comms briefings is taken seriously. Maybe I'll discuss it over a beer at one of the Tottenham taprooms when this is all over.

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OptimisticJock wrote:How are you guys handling admissions? We're doing a lot of phoning ahead to different departments before taking a patient in (or not). Never seen A&E so empty.

I'm not, this is a big trust!

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It sound like from the friends I have in hospitals that the hospitals in London are pretty much overrun now, so I imagine next week we will see much higher death rates. A news pice earlier said nurses are beings sent to London hospitals to support. London is gonna be by far the worst of this. My wi...

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Fark- seen the Facebook videos of the excel centre? Hospital and two big morgues plus the giant morgues dotted around the country. Tradies have been taking videos, I think we need to expect a tsunami here, I’ve certainly been getting a bit relaxed about it all. From what I'm told (from a contact in...

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Fark- seen the Facebook videos of the excel centre? Hospital and two big morgues plus the giant morgues dotted around the country. Tradies have been taking videos, I think we need to expect a tsunami here, I’ve certainly been getting a bit relaxed about it all. Unfortunately, it’s going to get a lo...

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