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by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:23 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Mog The Almighty wrote:The WHO should really be consulting this thread.
Are you reading their posts by the way?
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:18 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

And China took a long time before closing down the whole country... It wasn't the whole country, was it? semantics, I guess. Yes it is semantics. It's amazing it's only 90,000 globally with all this coverage. Roughly 0.00001% of the world's population is infected. Obviously that will go up though. ...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:17 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

But if you don't slow down the spread of the epidemic, you basically overwhelm your health services resulting in more deaths. Speaking facts for a moment. The UK has under 600 cases and 10 deaths. Is there any need to shut down the schools? I'm not sure. The government itself just said it's more li...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:15 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

DrSnow wrote:THink I'll go and get more pasta.
Bon appetit.
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:10 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

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by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:09 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

DrSnow wrote:
And China took a long time before closing down the whole country...
It wasn't the whole country, was it? semantics, I guess.
Yes it is semantics.

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by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:07 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

WHO statement. We cannot say this loudly enough, or clearly enough, or often enough: all countries can still change the course of this pandemic. If countries detect, test, treat, isolate, trace, and mobilize their people in the response, those with a handful of cases can prevent those cases becoming...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:04 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Don't you think governments are not acting on the advice of epidemiologists?.. The UK isn't closing schools (at the moment) and are acting on the advice of epidemiologists.... So don't be impolite. Until yesterday, Macron wasn't closing schools either. And China took a long time before closing down...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:03 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

True enough, but won't taking medical advice on how not to spread the disease be far more effective than sending kids home? Back in my day you could order the kids to wash their hands 5 times a day if that was what you so wished? Well, social distancing is now the advice, on top of washing hands. T...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:01 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

But if you don't slow down the spread of the epidemic, you basically overwhelm your health services resulting in more deaths. Speaking facts for a moment. The UK has under 600 cases and 10 deaths. Is there any need to shut down the schools? I'm not sure. Look at the curves. How the epidemic spreads...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:59 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

But if you don't slow down the spread of the epidemic, you basically overwhelm your health services resulting in more deaths. Speaking facts for a moment. The UK has under 600 cases and 10 deaths. Is there any need to shut down the schools? I'm not sure. Look at the curves. How the epidemic spreads...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:58 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

But if you don't slow down the spread of the epidemic, you basically overwhelm your health services resulting in more deaths. Speaking facts for a moment. The UK has under 600 cases and 10 deaths. Is there any need to shut down the schools? I'm not sure. Quoting my own post but Ireland has a fracti...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:55 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

But if you don't slow down the spread of the epidemic, you basically overwhelm your health services resulting in more deaths. Speaking facts for a moment. The UK has under 600 cases and 10 deaths. Is there any need to shut down the schools? I'm not sure. Look at the curves. How the epidemic spreads...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:46 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Cobra meeting today, so I guess there will be a lot more info obviously. All people to be told to work from home or not work, schools closing, planes being stopped... is the speculation. I doubt that hospital workers will be asked to work from home. ;) I am being fit tested this am, and will defini...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:44 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Well, worst case it is as bad as sending them to school. Best case, it slows down the virus transmission. Worth a try. Indeed. However, professionals are stating we're probably all going to get it at some point. Is there any point in tanking the economy? I don't know what to think. I was expecting ...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:43 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

I've just finished Robert Harris's The Second Sleep which was published last year but seems to presage so much of what's happened in the last several months. The book opens in the year 1468 with a priest heading to a remote village north of Exeter to deliver the last rites for the former parish pri...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:39 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Emmanuel Macron just announced that all schools and universities throughout the country are closed until further notice starting this Monday. Does he think that 5 millions kids are going to stay indoors? To be honest, I think that's France, f**ked. They won't, but they will not be all locked in the...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:33 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Question for the Irish. What good is closing down the schools for a couple of weeks going to do? Decrease the chances of kids being carriers and infecting via community tranmission Schools will be closed for a lot longer than two weeks. This is only an initial step. I suspect you want to keep this ...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:32 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Emmanuel Macron just announced that all schools and universities throughout the country are closed until further notice starting this Monday. Does he think that 5 millions kids are going to stay indoors? To be honest, I think that's France, f**ked. They won't, but they will not be all locked in the...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:28 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

They’re estimating a billion people world wide getting it. Yep it’s ganna kill lots of people before their time. Some people that I have been talking to, some rather high up, have confirmed as such. It IS much worse than many are predicting. 3 stars on their McDonalds badge is impressively high. I ...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:26 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: ex-POTUS DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all
Replies: 126890
Views: 9027200

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

So is Trump doing too much? Or is he doing too little? Or is it a case of whatever he does is wrong? It's the third option, but not for the reasons you are implying - that Trump's decisions will always be perceived as wrong because of who he is. The reality of the situation is that Trump's main cha...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:15 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Emmanuel Macron just announced that all schools and universities throughout the country are closed until further notice starting this Monday. All > 70+ y/o are invited to limit their moves outside home. So after my daughter in Dubai, now my son in Toulouse is on holidays. Great. And I can't go and ...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:13 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Or they’re less old people catching it. A lot less. They're running at 0.5% serious cases (death/serious/critical combined) . Even South Korea is on 1.5%. That's bizarre. A lot of doctors believe that Northern Europeans won’t be as badly affected as more used to the seasonal flu It's not that bizar...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:03 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Law Question : clear out at the ruck
Replies: 95
Views: 12155

Re: Law Question : clear out at the ruck

I think there are two issues at the ruck: 1) The initial jackal means that there is immediately a player with their shoulders below their hips in a position where they are pretty much sealing the ball off, even if the support is very quick 2) In response attacking players enter, often from the side...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:02 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Law Question : clear out at the ruck
Replies: 95
Views: 12155

Re: Law Question : clear out at the ruck

Looks like Niegs agrees with my point about allowing the jackler to cling on when others arrive is clouding the issue, or at least the reffing of it does. Taking Mahoney's scenarios: 1) this is the quick steal which is a great addition to the modern game (to the extent it wasn't there before) 2) qu...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:59 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Law Question : clear out at the ruck
Replies: 95
Views: 12155

Re: Law Question : clear out at the ruck

Good points, Mahoney. I might have already said it, but I feel like the 'mess' can be averted if refs make an instant decision. Penalize if not supporting weight/entered from side, tackled player not immediately releasing, but I'd also add that the defender needs to stop contesting if an attacker h...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:32 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

I still don't fully get why South Korea can do so much testing but European countries can't. A friend of mine came back from a work conference in Paris and became symptomatic. She's been self-isolating for more than a week but hasn't been tested yet. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51836898 +...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:12 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

The Italian problem, as far as I can tell, is that their patient zero attended hospital twice before they tested him. So he was not only let loose twice but also infected a lot of health professionals who were then in contact with already sick people. It snowballed from there. Other countries could...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:00 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

This makes you proud to be British. The stiff upper lip at its finest. Reminds me more of the hubris before the Brits went over the top on the first day of the Somme Whitehouse states that the main concern is the free flow of person within the Schengen area. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:56 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Heard a GP on Irish radio say that they’ve ramped up the testing procedure here from this morning. A test will now be done if the GP assesses that it is required based on symptoms and other criteria. It’s a very significant change, and I’d imagine we can expect a big increase in number of cases as ...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:52 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Just had this from my kids primary....bloody impressive IMHO Dear Parents You are no doubt aware that there has been some speculation that schools may be instructed to closed. No school will close unless the Government makes the decision for schools to do so. Today, Ireland have closed all of their...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:48 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

No, I wouldn't, and please stop this appeal to emotion as if I "don't care". It's dishonest and disingenuous. Even if my father was sick in Italy, I still wouldn't be endorsing sharing scare-mongery stories written by non-experts. What we should do is listen to the actual real experts and the autho...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:00 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Law Question : clear out at the ruck
Replies: 95
Views: 12155

Re: Law Question : clear out at the ruck

I think there are two issues at the ruck: 1) The initial jackal means that there is immediately a player with their shoulders below their hips in a position where they are pretty much sealing the ball off, even if the support is very quick 2) In response attacking players enter, often from the side...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:58 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Law Question : clear out at the ruck
Replies: 95
Views: 12155

Re: Law Question : clear out at the ruck

I think there are two issues at the ruck: 1) The initial jackal means that there is immediately a player with their shoulders below their hips in a position where they are pretty much sealing the ball off, even if the support is very quick 2) In response attacking players enter, often from the side...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:56 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Law Question : clear out at the ruck
Replies: 95
Views: 12155

Re: Law Question : clear out at the ruck

Apart from satiating the nostalgia and projecting the desired self-image of the older generation I don't see what "proper rucking" can accomplish that decent refereeing can't. In fact given how many advocates of a good shoeing confirm how harmless it was and how they wore their scars with pride I'd...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:54 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Law Question : clear out at the ruck
Replies: 95
Views: 12155

Re: Law Question : clear out at the ruck

I've been watching a lot of matches from the early 90s lately, and there are a LOT more stoppages for ball unplayable at the ruck and penalties for infringements than we see now because so many were involved in rucks. I really don't think it was much of a deterrent at the top level given the massiv...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

The below was sent to me by my brother. He's the CEO of the world's largest non-government public health organisation. His epidemiologists say it is a good summary. https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca Thanks Echo, good read and this is exactly what I...
by TheFrog
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Replies: 61014
Views: 3359763

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

The below was sent to me by my brother. He's the CEO of the world's largest non-government public health organisation. His epidemiologists say it is a good summary. https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca Thanks Echo, good read and this is exactly what I...