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Another highly unlikely permutation but I can't get my head round the analysis from the official RWC site in relation to Samoa in Pool D: If neither [Argentina nor Japan] get a bonus point in the draw, Samoa must beat England by 29 points and get a try-bonus point to have the best points difference ...

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To add some spice. Uruguay must beat New Zealand with a try-bonus point, and by at least 80 points, and will need France to defeat Italy in order to qualify for the quarter-finals. Uruguay must beat New Zealand with a try-bonus point, prevent the All Blacks from taking any bonus point and hope Ital...

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mrbrownstone wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:19 am I know they won't, but what if Italy pulled it off...

Would certainly be a more productive use of their time than last Friday...

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So let's get hypothetical for a second. Ireland are behind 40-25 with a minute to go. Scotland have the ball. Ireland are doomed to crash out. So Ireland's only choice is to let Scotland score so Scotland win the pool. As far as I'm concerned, this is not match fixing. They'd be removed from the to...

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The only thing I'm not 100% on there is 5-1 with us losing by 5 or 20. That would still come down to the match itself, I think, so is unknown. What does his *read as? Can't see on my phone. If Scotland win by 20 clear points they also need to have 3 clear tries over Ireland for both Scotland and Ir...

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Only if Ireland end top of the PD pile. If SA get 5 against Tonga and Ireland and Scotland end on 14 pts each then I actually think it may be head to head first so Scotland will qualify. If they all end up on 14 then it's point difference first, and then head to head for the second time I believe. ...

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Italy still a chance, just have to beat France by about 190 odd points and they'll push us out. Not really - If that happens then France are out not NZ. In fact even if italy only win by 1 point -as long as france dont score 4 tries- then Italy are through , France are out. That's obviously not hap...

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The problem the game faces is that the pool of top level officials is very shallow. They don't even come from the whole of Tier 1 - 95% of RWC games in the pro era have had refs from just 7 nations - Australia, England, France, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, Wales. Basically the old Five Nation...

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Tonga missed 48 tackles against Scotland. Add that to 35 against Ireland and they are up to 83 missed tackles after 2 games with South Africa next. Before getting himself sent off Vaea Fifita, on his own, managed to miss 10 tackles - I genuinely have never seen stats where one player has missed 10 ...

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Tonga missed 48 tackles against Scotland. Add that to 35 against Ireland and they are up to 83 missed tackles after 2 games with South Africa next. Before getting himself sent off Vaea Fifita, on his own, managed to miss 10 tackles - I genuinely have never seen stats where one player has missed 10 t...

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Match preview for anyone wanting a deep dive on this game. Part 1:

https://www.scottishrugbyblog.co.uk/202 ... view-pt-i/

Part 2:

https://www.scottishrugbyblog.co.uk/202 ... -to-heads/

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This. Romania shouldn't even be there, Spain just got funked over by an overly officious world rugby administrator and a cheating south African. Namibia is a poor country with fudge all population. World Rugby, and South Africa in particular need to do more to bring up their neighbours ( like Austr...

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It's only two teams (Romania and Namibia). /thread. This. Romania shouldn't even be there, Spain just got funked over by an overly officious world rugby administrator and a cheating south African. Namibia is a poor country with fudge all population. World Rugby, and South Africa in particular need ...

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If Namibia weren't facing a 5-day turnaround into the game that is really the crucial one for them (v Uruguay) they might have gone full strength v France. They'd still have lost but unlikely to have been as bad as it was.

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Pinto gets 3 weeks. For what is a totally involuntary accident. With precedent Jordie Barrett who was facing the player he kicked in the head got his red overturned. Pinto who was back to the player he kicked as he was trying to find his balance didn't have the means to pay for a good lawyer. I'd s...

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So we have had a few games with him in charge, and I have to say that the man has no feel for the game at all. His officiating against Fiji has raised eyebrows. The Red Card against Barrett, while technically correct has been proved to be an over-reaction with no further case to answer, and while i...

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Richie Vernon started at number 8 for Scotland in the 2011 RWC and started for Scotland at centre in the 2015 RWC.

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I get the technicality. In the case of this tackle, the process gives: 1, Had head contact occurred? Yes 2. Was there foul play? Avoidable - Tackler always standing upright: yes Reckless: yes 3. What was the degree of danger? Indirect contact : some argue yes High force : yes Dynamic: yes 4. Is the...

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I wonder if Kerevi is thinking he should of swapped to Fiji? Not really suggesting it seriously, but he was certainly not involved a lot was he? Not sure if his injury is keeping him quiet or what? Would he even make the team ahead of Josua Tuisova though? That's the crazy bit. Looking at this Wall...

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A victory for Wales next weekend makes qualification for the knockouts very straightforward from a Fijian perspective (2 wins would do). If they're feeling bold though, cheering for an Australia victory with no BPs for Wales would offer Fiji a route to topping their pool (2 BP wins required) and a q...

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Not getting into the specifics of this tackle but what you are describing (indirect contact) is a factor that would reduce the level of danger in the assessment of the Head Contact Process rather than mitigation. If a a tackle was assessed as medium danger for example, then the starting point for s...

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Yeah I think Pinto same, an involuntary action when off balance mid air. Hopefully red card will be overturned Law 9.11 is where any appeal will fall down. It doesn't have to be a "voluntary" action to qualify as "dangerous play". Not being sufficiently in control of your limbs that you wave your s...

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Win matches against Chile, Samoa and (most likely as things stand) Fiji obver the next 4 weeks and England are in an RWC semi-final.

The RFU would probably extend Borthwick to 2031...

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If the two minnows do their part, this is the log without the Wales v Aus game right? Wales 15 Fiji 16 Australia 11 Yeah that's right. There are 15 possible match points results for the Wales v Aus game and the only one which wouldn't guarantee Fiji 1st or 2nd in the above scenario would be Wales 1...

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It was posted earlier that three sides on the same points goes to the best points difference for group winner (obvious) but then the implication was that the runner up is decided on head to head. Does anyone know if that's what was meant and if it's correct? Yeah, although as WR haven't published t...

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If the two minnows do their part, this is the log without the Wales v Aus game right? Wales 15 Fiji 16 Australia 11 Yeah that's right. There are 15 possible match points results for the Wales v Aus game and the only one which wouldn't guarantee Fiji 1st or 2nd in the above scenario would be Wales 1...

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Rowlands tackle against Fiji https://twitter.com/FMC_Rugby/status/1701126231373107389 No penalty at all. Most bafling thing is that nobody reported on it. And that some people here argue that there is mitigation because first contact was with his shoulder. Not getting into the specifics of this tac...

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Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:01 pm Is it a different judiciary panel for each cas or can they knock them all out with the same crew over a couple if days?

There are 10 Judicial chairs and 12 Judicial panel members available for selection during the RWC. I'd expect the cases will be well spread amongst them.

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What do we want the Fiji game result to be? Fiji win? Oz win? Draw? Any TBPs, LBPs not preferred of course. Just in case: Rugby World Cup pool stage tiebreakers Several factors influence pool placings and a team’s qualification to the knockout stages. If teams are level on points at the end of the ...

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A place for reasoned discussion on the cards, the citings and the consistent bans handed out this world cup. Or a place where the myopic shitfights with little basis on the actual laws can hang out rather than all the match threads. So far Kriel tackle = ok Tom Curry = red - ban 2 weeks Martin Sigr...

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Unless I'm missing something, there doesn't seem to be any official source that confirms what the tiebreakers are if 2 or more sides finish on the same points during the pool stages. Various sites report it as the traditional 'winner of head to head match' and if that doesn't separate them then on t...

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The Western Fail doing the Lords work: Just three minutes into this epic Test match Rowlands wins a penalty at the breakdown. What people have failed to pick up on, despite having the footage readily available to them, is Fiji scrum half and captain Frank Lomani hitting Rowlands' head directly with...

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Taking Wales.Fiji etc or anyone out of it, the people I find I struggle to understand or take a lot of notice of, are people who only think their team lost because of either refs blunder, coaches, players mistakes, and can't say hey the other team just were better, and that's what happens in sport!...

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Fiji had 19 different possessions in the Wales 22 (a number were follow ons after penalties but each represented a success or failure at scoring a try). These were over and above the 2 possessions where they just passed through the 22 when scoring tries from long range. 5 phases - pen conceded for s...

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Curry accepted it met the red card threshold so didn't take the opportunity to test this against some of the other decisions over the weekend - slightly surprised at that. Maybe missing 2 diddy games is the least disruptive option from England's point of view compared to an overturned card and an ap...

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Match preview for the Scottish Rugby Blog. Spoiler - the stats really don't suggest much chance for Scotland. But then who knows what's possible if they can find ways to get the ball in Finn Russell's hands 30/40 times. https://www.scottishrugbyblog.co.uk/2023/09/scotland-v-south-africa-rugby-world...

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Match preview for the Scottish Rugby Blog. Spoiler - the stats really don't suggest much chance for Scotland. But then who knows what's possible if they can find ways to get the ball in Finn Russell's hands 30/40 times. https://www.scottishrugbyblog.co.uk/2023/09/scotland-v-south-africa-rugby-world-...

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Cartman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:41 am Russel played in the third Lions test. Lost that one too.

He put them in a position to win it after the shambles of the 2nd Test. Let down by teammates bombing scoring opportunities

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Just in relation to the Scott Barrett red card (for 2 yellows) v South Africa: In the last 4 years, World Rugby Judicial Committees have heard 6 cases where a player was red carded after collecting 2 yellow cards in a match. In each case the red card was considered sufficient and no suspension was i...

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Meanwhile George Moala's appeal for his 5 match ban has been dismissed. He had a clean record too. Yes, that's why they reduced it by 50% from the entry point. So he still got 5 weeks after 50% reduction? As mentioned above, mid range entry point for a tip tackle is 10 weeks (compared to 6 weeks fo...

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