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Toro

... if Argentina and England smash NZ and SA. https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/17bu5px/world_rankings_if_argentina_and_england_pummel/ Yes, but the winner then goes number 1. We'll finish 2nd or 3rd in the world after the dust settles. I think we finish 2nd if SA win and 3rd if NZ won, ...

Toro

I'm specifically referring to those posting in this thread, and guessing what demographic they belong to. How's that associating it to an entire race? I’m in my 20s and scaffolder who works check to check. Who probably grew up in a household where prejudices and slurs were commonplace and have now ...

Toro

The only thing I take issue with is this, white men are not one homogenous group across the world any more than any other group is - I have no problem in agreeing this is the case for the middle classes and above, but poor people have massive disadvantages wherever they are from and whatever their ...

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Harveys wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:19 am I feel I better understand you and townys position, I’m not sure I’m convinced but I understand now what you’re saying. I hope I didn’t come across as condescending in my posts, I think you’re a good poster.

All good mate!

Toro

Shît draw/pools and boring semi-finals... Watching SA vs NZ for the fourth time this year is just too much for me... I'll have better things to do next week-end. You seem a bit sour, how can you not want to watch the RWC final no matter who is playing. Booooooooo! Not sour, just really not interest...

Toro

So, apart from the pages of obfuscation, do we think that racial slurs] are acceptable in 2023? Not one person on here has claimed what he supposedly said as acceptable. I think you'll find many have, and many have also tried to minimise, or dismiss it a unimportant. The weight of such a comment is...

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message #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:43 am So, apart from the pages of obfuscation, do we think that racial slurs] are acceptable in 2023?

Not one person on here has claimed what he supposedly said as acceptable.

Toro

Toro. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/blm-effect-94-of-new-jobs-at-s-p-100-corporations-went-to-non-whites-after-protests-report/ar-AA1hq1UN Corporate/media and govt power in the US are intertwined. 94% of new jobs went to POC. That's racist discrimination. I've also heard of college camp...

Toro

So can you please define power, real power. Currently in SA the majority are in power, so does that mean Mbonambi is in a position of power? Therefore he can be racist towards white people because where he comes from they are the minority? They aren't separate things. Racism comes from a group in p...

Toro

So white is a pejorative now? Make your mind up. If he is showing contempt for someone being white, that is 100% racist. If he is showing disapproval for someone being white, that is also 100% racist. You've tied yourself up in knots. Sigh. the 'tall fat short' bit was in replacement for white, 'pe...

Toro

Toro. It hasn't happened yet? All the teaching of this crap in schools is racism. You can pick out races from different times and focus on them. Turks ruling south east Europe, Chinese rule in Vietnam and Korea. Muslim empires slaughtering the non believer. you can target any group you like and be ...

Toro

Apologists are the lowest. Haha I can't wait for the conversation where I can talk about being called an apologist for the oppression of white people, by middle aged white men on a rugby forum. :lol: Depends on the kind of white person. No need to go into the history of Ireland and Poland. Also Ukr...

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Plato'sCave wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:02 am Apologists are the lowest.

Haha I can't wait for the conversation where I can talk about being called an apologist for the oppression of white people, by middle aged white men on a rugby forum.

Toro

Toro, was the word white used as a pejorative? Pejorative - a word expressing contempt or disapproval. No, I believe that was 'c--t'. It’s the use of ‘white’ which is the issue - why would he use race pejoratively? The answer to that question is what is the issue. ..and a question worth asking. IF ...

Toro

This is the actual point that has been largely minimised by self-absorbed egotistical asshats who need to argue over the correct use of the word racist. The fact that this seems trivial to you is kinda the point. No one here would actually pay much attention to being called a white c--t, and you al...

Toro

So you’re contradicting your original assertion? How so? I've played the devil's advocate as I believe there is some truth behind what Towny originally posted about it being the same as calling him a tall, short or fat 'pejorative'.(a word expressing contempt or disapproval) I also believe if it wa...

Toro

They aren't separate things. Racism comes from a group in power being able to enforce their ideas of superiority and doing so. This isn't about 'racism' it's a racial slur that's supposedly been said on a rugby field. Either you think racial abuse is fine, if so then bully for you, or you don't. St...

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TheFrog wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:44 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:12 pm I think in the 2011 quarter final there was also a issue for a player using the term blinde kant (blind side). The ref took it very serious.

Toro

Harveys wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:37 pm
jambanja wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:35 pm
Toro wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:26 pm

In my opinion no, there's nothing behind it. No worse than white boy.
So you’re contradicting your original assertion?
Is the only logical conclusion to this exchange.

Cute little back patting session without actually saying how I contradicted myself.

Toro

Why do you think he specifically used the word white then? What power does that add to his statement? You're a bit needy but sure. IF he used it, I'd say that it was to get under the players skin or something he might take exception too, a bit like the reasons you try to patronise most posters you ...

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So? Can he in fact be racist towards a white person? In my opinion no, there's nothing behind it. No worse than white boy. So you’re contradicting your original assertion? How so? I've played the devil's advocate as I believe there is some truth behind what Towny originally posted about it being th...

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Keith wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:33 pm Toro, was the word white used as a pejorative?

Pejorative - a word expressing contempt or disapproval.

No, I believe that was 'c--t'.

Toro

Why do you think he specifically used the word white then? What power does that add to his statement? You're a bit needy but sure. IF he used it, I'd say that it was to get under the players skin or something he might take exception too, a bit like the reasons you try to patronise most posters you ...

Toro

Toro. I'm saying if you really believe some people have all the power and are supremacists and believe then that because of that you can't be racist to them then it gives you scope to attack them. After all they must be combated right? And you can do it without even having to worry that you're actu...

Toro

So can you please define power, real power. Currently in SA the majority are in power, so does that mean Mbonambi is in a position of power? Therefore he can be racist towards white people because where he comes from they are the minority? They aren't separate things. Racism comes from a group in p...

Toro

So can you please define power, real power. Currently in SA the majority are in power, so does that mean Mbonambi is in a position of power? Therefore he can be racist towards white people because where he comes from they are the minority? They aren't separate things. Racism comes from a group in p...

Toro

So can you please define power, real power. Currently in SA the majority are in power, so does that mean Mbonambi is in a position of power? Therefore he can be racist towards white people because where he comes from they are the minority? They aren't separate things. Racism comes from a group in p...

Toro

So can you please define power, real power. Currently in SA the majority are in power, so does that mean Mbonambi is in a position of power? Therefore he can be racist towards white people because where he comes from they are the minority? They aren't separate things. Racism comes from a group in p...

Toro

Toro. I'm saying if you really believe some people have all the power and are supremacists and believe then that because of that you can't be racist to them then it gives you scope to attack them. After all they must be combated right? And you can do it without even having to worry that you're actu...

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Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 7:10 pm As if one needs to be a genius to recognise the difference between racial slurs directed at people who have suffered centuries of extreme prejudice, apartheid, lynchings, slavery, etc. ... and you ... toffy white English gent.

That's another way of explaining it haha, but yeah.

Toro

NZ should rightly be favourites. SA has played 2 finals in a row already. They look and are limited. August was an aberration. I mean they almost lost to this: https://twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/1715823199089570102 Two finals???????????????????? - they should have walked over England FFS. The la...

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Whatever wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 7:11 pm
Hawk97 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:59 pm
Toro wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:58 pm

A well formed contribution.
Go and drown in your own liberal white guilt, and stop infesting us all with your utter, complete, infuriating drivel.

On to ignore you to, cyber scum
Wow, there is some glorious indignation from the English today.

Isn't Hawk American?

Toro

Well I'm using a dictionary definition, of which there are several. You however seem to be wedded to specifically the more recent meaning that 'progressives' have fought so hard to perpetuate. I'm not that bothered if you want to argue that someone can't be racist to a white person and it's really ...

Toro

I didn't really enjoy Black Panther either.

Toro

Hawk97 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:54 pm The “you can’t be racist toward whites” crowd legitimises things like GB News and Q-anon etc.

Good job, fûck wits

Meanwhile, you can be called racist for not liking the movie Black Panther.

A well formed contribution.

Toro

Then I fail to see why you mentioned their race and that you thought they were priviliged. If you genuinely weren't talking about white privilege then both things are surely irrelevant to the current discussion. Oh mate it was just a comment and me thinking out loud about who I'm in a discussion wi...

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Because it's called white privilege and it's cast upon an entire race. But you're arguing that your using it in some different manner in a debate about racism? Hmmm... I didn't call it white privilege and was careful not to. Then I fail to see why you mentioned their race and that you thought they ...

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Toro, the fact that you associate something like 'privilege' with an entire race is not helping your cause. I'm specifically referring to those posting in this thread, and guessing what demographic they belong to. How's that associating it to an entire race? I’m in my 20s and scaffolder who works c...

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Toro, the fact that you associate something like 'privilege' with an entire race is not helping your cause. I'm specifically referring to those posting in this thread, and guessing what demographic they belong to. How's that associating it to an entire race? Because it's called white privilege and ...

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mdaclarke wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:04 pm South Africa by 8

Theirs to lose.

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