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by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:56 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

There are inequities across numerous minority lines (sex, nationality, age, race and so on). By making it a single issue crusade with a completely nebulous aim, whilst simultaneously blaming the majority and trying to erase and simplistically judge a complex history, it is doomed to fail and I fear...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:54 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Le top XIV la Pro D2 les Fédérales.Le retour façon mir laine
Replies: 24921
Views: 1791120

Re: Le top XIV la Pro D2 les Fédérales.Le retour façon mir l

https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/pro-d2/2019-2020/rachat-de-beziers-dominici-et-le-mysterieux-investisseur-a-la-surface-financiere-gigantesque_sto7749298/story.shtml Béziers is cursed : Dominici is a prick with a serious link to Laporte :vomit: :twisted: Yeah, please keep him. Last thing I want is Bé...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:51 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

Insane_Homer wrote:Image
Long winded representation of my earlier highlighting the distinction between equality and equity. Only one of these is an act of reason.
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:46 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

If the UK was rich before the slave trade then it is possible, probable even, that the infrastructure was build on wealth derived from other sources than the slave trade. Therefore any talk about residual benefits and reparations arising therefrom fall away. I don't think that works as a rebuttal s...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:11 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

I realise that, it was pretty tongue in cheek. The point I was making is does the great, great, great grandson of a slave deserve a pot of cash as compensation for his ancestors suffering? And slightly related, why the fudge should I have to pay? 1) Messy debate but I think there is a distinction t...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:09 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

Santa wrote:Begging the question. The historical question is this: was Britain rich before the Transatlantic slave trade? I think the answer is yes.
I don't see that the question is relevant and even if it were, how anyone could provide a meaningful context, let alone then attribute a quant.
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:05 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

Turn that logic around for a second. Saying “Black Lives Matter” doesn’t mean white lives don’t matter. Black Lives Matter protestors have something to campaign about because there is evidence of inherent bias in the structures of society. Does anyone have evidence of inherent bias against white pe...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:33 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

I realise that, it was pretty tongue in cheek. The point I was making is does the great, great, great grandson of a slave deserve a pot of cash as compensation for his ancestors suffering? And slightly related, why the fudge should I have to pay? 1) Messy debate but I think there is a distinction t...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:20 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

Standard of living is pretty f**king high in the UK. You have it good. Free speech shouldn't be an excuse or lever to insinuate hate or xenophobic sentiment. It's precisely because the relative standard of living is so high that civil liberties have been on the decline for the last half century i.e...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:11 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

I realise that, it was pretty tongue in cheek. The point I was making is does the great, great, great grandson of a slave deserve a pot of cash as compensation for his ancestors suffering? And slightly related, why the fudge should I have to pay? 1) Messy debate but I think there is a distinction t...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:55 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

inactionman wrote:It's probably the effect of too many coffees before lunch, but I'm not sure if you're referring to Burnely's West Hameque defending or the halftime dambusters tribute entertainment.
:|
Dambusters was May? I know wendyballers are generally thickies but......
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:49 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

Will I be able to claim for my ancestors cleared off their land in the Highlands? Giving reparations for slavery is just a handout and who do you give it to? We have only just finished paying back the loan to liberate all slaves in the Empire. Not really the same thing. I know I'm simplifying but t...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:39 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

inactionman wrote: and as they act by consent of the public they need to tread the fine line of reasonably taking all people's considerations into account.
Contradiction in terms?
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:17 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

BokJock wrote: Why would wanting racial equality be a bad political agenda to have?

Why is it seen as a right and left thing unless the right....
It's an impossible agenda.

What is needed and might be achievable is equity. Equality is only possible if you want an Aldous Huxley style society.
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:51 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

Margin_Walker wrote:Is it the monthly bedwetters anonymous meeting on here today?

Lets wait to see if anyone is charged and what with before proclaiming the death of free speech in this country.
The curtailment of free speech is unlikely to be determined from the outcome of a single event.
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:39 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

Standard of living is pretty f**king high in the UK. You have it good. Free speech shouldn't be an excuse or lever to insinuate hate or xenophobic sentiment. It's precisely because the relative standard of living is so high that civil liberties have been on the decline for the last half century i.e...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:11 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

This is being investigated by British Police ? Why is stating a fact, worthy of police investigation? Same reason the same Lancs constabulary was less enthusiastic about taking steps to prevent the Rochdale abuse scandal. If it wasn't already clear, policing is now a political football......... the...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:02 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

Sure the prod profligacy in the bedroom is a given. It was ever thus with the breeding differentials. Nowadays in NI who tunes into the immigrant vote will do very well such is its increase over the last 10 years. We used to be a homogeneous white prod v catholic, but is getting more complex. You s...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:39 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

I agree with this. I read somewhere that the median wealth of a black household in the US is ten times less that the median white family. As a conservative fan boi, I would LOVE to extract the black vote from the left and getting money and property into their hands should be a way to do this. It wo...
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:16 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

“The club has a proud record of working with all genders, religions and faiths through its award-winning Community scheme, and stands against racism of any kind.
:lol:

QED from my post above.
by Torquemada 1420
Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:14 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Re: Burnley condemns white lives matter

Who would fly that plane? Why cause that much hassle for oneself I'll hazard a guess and say it's probably a fat white middle aged man with right wing political views. And there you go; which is why I posted it. Given the context, it's entirely reasonable to assume it's a reaction to all the BLM st...
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:54 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Burnley condemns white lives matter
Replies: 1370
Views: 71681

Burnley condemns white lives matter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53145201 https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/8C7A/production/_113026953_burnley_banner_getty.jpg "We apologise unreservedly to the Premier League, to Manchester City....in no way represents" what the club stands for...." One wonders how much more ...
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: The Training Thread - all aspects of fitness and health
Replies: 27114
Views: 2016270

Re: The Training Thread - all aspects of fitness and health

feckwanker wrote:Had a squat session last Thursday: 5 x 8 @ 140kg.

Legs still aren't right after it.
Twice my body weight although if gyms stay closed much longer..........
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:49 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: CHAZ
Replies: 47
Views: 4032

Re: CHAZ

Capitol Hill has always been a no go area for normal people in Seattle I was always warned to stay away when I was in town I dont think it will end well either Am I being whooshed? Capitol Hill = Washington DC which is 2,500 miles from Seattle? Long taxi ride for a beer. LOL There is a Capitol Hill...
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:34 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: CHAZ
Replies: 47
Views: 4032

Re: CHAZ

Winnie wrote:Capitol Hill has always been a no go area for normal people in Seattle
I was always warned to stay away when I was in town

I dont think it will end well either
Am I being whooshed?

Capitol Hill = Washington DC which is 2,500 miles from Seattle? Long taxi ride for a beer.
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:28 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Hey Jake
Replies: 251
Views: 21708

Re: Hey Jake

Jayz, Tae has aged since I met him and became good close personal friends with in 2004 in London. Then again, so have I :? Jesus: was that the night we couldn't get a friggin' bus? Undies was with us? We’ve met ?! :shock: Yes. Unless there are 2 Marty Feldman look-a-like boardies. :twisted: Touché ...
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:22 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Hey Jake
Replies: 251
Views: 21708

Re: Hey Jake

Jayz, Tae has aged since I met him and became good close personal friends with in 2004 in London. Then again, so have I :? Jesus: was that the night we couldn't get a friggin' bus? Undies was with us? We’ve met ?! :shock: Yes. Unless there are 2 Marty Feldman look-a-like boardies. :twisted:
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:16 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: CHAZ
Replies: 47
Views: 4032

Re: CHAZ

Surely we would all welcome a CHAV free zone?

We could call it the UK, perhaps.
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:13 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Hey Jake
Replies: 251
Views: 21708

Re: Hey Jake

backrow wrote: Jayz, Tae has aged since I met him and became good close personal friends with in 2004 in London.
Then again, so have I
:?
Jesus: was that the night we couldn't get a friggin' bus? Undies was with us?
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:09 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Hey Jake
Replies: 251
Views: 21708

Re: Hey Jake

Posting that photo cannot possibly be acceptable behaviour. :uhoh: Well we've seen it now. Who were the chaps pls ? Enzedder I know Which one is MuttonMong? Just so I know whom to avoid at the airport. Tae/Enz/Auckman/BBB/The Axe/Muttonmong. Merci {EDIT} :lol: Enz removed it. This place.
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:01 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Hey Jake
Replies: 251
Views: 21708

Re: Hey Jake

Santa wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Santa wrote:Posting that photo cannot possibly be acceptable behaviour. :uhoh:
Well we've seen it now.
It’s been posted numerous times before.
Ok.
Eh? You were being serious?
by Torquemada 1420
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:00 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Hey Jake
Replies: 251
Views: 21708

Re: Hey Jake

backrow wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Santa wrote:Posting that photo cannot possibly be acceptable behaviour. :uhoh:
Well we've seen it now.
Who were the chaps pls ? Enzedder I know
Which one is MuttonMong? Just so I know whom to avoid at the airport.
by Torquemada 1420
Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:44 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Uncle Ben Goooonnnnnnnnneeeeee!
Replies: 190
Views: 8488

Re: Uncle Ben Goooonnnnnnnnneeeeee!

Anonymous. wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:It's funny how the words "upset" and "outrage" are being used by the right wingers on this thread
If you are aiming that at me then you are conflating contempt for idiots with a political stance.
Where is the outrage you talk of ?
That question doesn't even merit this response.
by Torquemada 1420
Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:30 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Incident in Reading
Replies: 289
Views: 17583

Re: Incident in Reading

Agree, it's probably nothing to do with the people who lost their lives in Reading. Bad timing that she tweeted when the news was breaking. Sadly, she has such a reputation for edgy shit posting, I don't really blame some people, myself included, for thinking she was taking the piss. She tweeted it...
by Torquemada 1420
Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:28 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Incident in Reading
Replies: 289
Views: 17583

Re: Incident in Reading

Diego wrote:I think this just may be the worst thread in PR history.
:lol:

Not even past 1st round submissions.
by Torquemada 1420
Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:21 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Incident in Reading
Replies: 289
Views: 17583

Re: Incident in Reading

mdaclarke wrote: It's times like then when we realise how much we need a strong police force
What does that mean?
by Torquemada 1420
Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:14 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Le top XIV la Pro D2 les Fédérales.Le retour façon mir laine
Replies: 24921
Views: 1791120

Re: Le top XIV la Pro D2 les Fédérales.Le retour façon mir l

TheFrog wrote:Nice find Torque. Who had designed this?
YT. It was part of a thread where we were all mocking Bernol and had a go. Sadly I didn't take a copy of the thread itself and it went in the last PR purge.

Note Stade Francais had been relegated. :o
by Torquemada 1420
Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:13 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Uncle Ben Goooonnnnnnnnneeeeee!
Replies: 190
Views: 8488

Re: Uncle Ben Goooonnnnnnnnneeeeee!

Anonymous. wrote:It's funny how the words "upset" and "outrage" are being used by the right wingers on this thread
If you are aiming that at me then you are conflating contempt for idiots with a political stance.
by Torquemada 1420
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:29 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Incident in Reading
Replies: 289
Views: 17583

Re: Incident in Reading

ANyhows, I’ve managed to drive the proven racist Anon away, so I’m off to enjoy my Sunday . He didn’t seem to like the stat/ facts about the majority of knife crime being from BAME types that I quickly found. Suspect he’s gone away to spit on half the keys on his piano... :lol: You do know that bla...
by Torquemada 1420
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:28 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Hey Jake
Replies: 251
Views: 21708

Re: Hey Jake

JM2K6 wrote:I for one appreciate the sustained campaign to lessen the pain of the board closing tbh
Yeah. Said as much on the Top14 thread.