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by piquant
Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:07 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

You thought England were when India were 145/7 on Day One England well and truly on top now though. True, given that scoreline I did indeed think England were in a dominant position, you've got me there. But I also thought they'd reached that point through some poor Indian batting and not simply th...
by piquant
Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:58 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

By the same token, you can offer no guarantee that England would have scored a competitive total if Cook had decided to bat. Absolutely, no guarantee of anything. I'd have chosen to bat first with all the factors in play, but with a surface that green the decision to bowl was perfectly reasonable a...
by piquant
Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:30 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Certainly more Tests played now than before. But it's the massive increase in pyjama stuff that had added the most significant burden. Accept that some players only play one format or the other. Certainly more test than before, but they play almost no 1st Class cricket anymore for the major countie...
by piquant
Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:09 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Is it worth mentioning that the England bowlers had India 7/145 and should really have bowled them out for 200 or less? I'd say only if one acknowledges if you start changing events and playing IF then you could equally say India could have batted far better and actually been in a stronger position...
by piquant
Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:01 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool
Replies: 108
Views: 8133

Re: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool

The Olympics could be the ARU‘s trump card in keeping Izzy. It was interesting of the IRB to make so very clear that 7s was covered by IRB 9. Though we've already seen Brits pulled from a 7s squad with no seeming consequence Im not familiar with the current IRB regulations. Can you please explain? ...
by piquant
Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:34 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool
Replies: 108
Views: 8133

Re: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool

CrazyIslander wrote:The Olympics could be the ARU‘s trump card in keeping Izzy.
It was interesting of the IRB to make so very clear that 7s was covered by IRB 9. Though we've already seen Brits pulled from a 7s squad with no seeming consequence
by piquant
Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:20 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool
Replies: 108
Views: 8133

Re: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool

Ireland has a similar system. All performers get a huge chunk of their tax back if they retire in Ireland, presuming they have lived and performed there for the previous 4 years. The result is that guys reaching towards the end of their careers don't piss off to France or England, as they might be ...
by piquant
Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:54 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool
Replies: 108
Views: 8133

Re: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool

Folau will be gone after the RWC. NRL, Japan, France. Someone will pay him substantially more than the ARU is willing. And good luck to him. 3 years from him at the peak of his game is a pretty good outcome. Australian rugby won't be overpaying him when he's a light of other days - let someone else...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:23 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Replies: 449040
Views: 17535668

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Thanks a lot, sounds like hassle :lol: I think I can see who the registrar is so I'll contact them, cheers. They likely run a share dealing service too for certificated trades, worth a quick online search to see if they're charging a sensible price Vs other commercial bodies. You could sell the sha...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:12 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Replies: 449040
Views: 17535668

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Any of you ever had to have a share certificate replaced? Have lost one and no f**king clue how to get a new one, if you can get a new one. Edit - or I'll elaborate. I own 458 shares in a company. I can find certificates for about 80 of those shares, I have no f**king clue where certs for the rest ...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:42 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool
Replies: 108
Views: 8133

Re: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool

It's a selfish concern. If you're a fan of players like Folau or SBW you're certainly glad rugby salaries are on the rise, otherwise they probably wouldn't be playing it. I'd be a fan of rugby whether players like Folau and SBW play rugby or league, and whether players were mainly attracted to rugb...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:25 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Bell was a bit unlucky in this test. Got a snorter in the 1st innings , and the opposite in the 2nd. Nonetheless, he didn't cope with either of them at all well. Needs a big innings. . That's sort of true, but he's also lining up to cut a ball that's rather close to cut, and then can't get out of t...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:02 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Furry muff, but poo-pooing a test average of 47 when there are only 65 other batsmen in the history of the game with a higher average than KP (playing at least 10 tests) doesn't really lend too much weight to your critical thinking. That's not to say I would pick him, however. Also fair enough. Mor...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:23 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

A. Cook dreaming of 47 (avg 46.85, trending down) S. Robson dreaming of 47 (avg. 36.28, trending up probably) G. Balance doing ok in the dreaming stakes (avg. 54.25, trend will be down IMO) I. Bell dreaming of 47 (avg. 44.52, trending down) J. Root dreaming of 47 (avg. 46.67, though trending up) M....
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:57 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

My God we are shite. Time for Pieterson. KP will never play for England again. The ECB have gone all-in on their current course and they're not for turning. Not sure he is what England need anyway -he is prone to brain farts and is suspect against spin. I imagine if he was crap against spin his tes...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:22 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Loving the idea that Jimmy's natural length is that short though! Wouldn't most have a natural action that sees the ball come down as what we'd term a back of a length delivery? And this might be to confuse natural and normal length, which I suspect is an answer as to whether you know or you're gue...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:09 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Am I being trolled here? My edit to a previous post was probably too late to be seen, so I'll repeat myself: England bowling too short and not threatening the stumps has been a consistent problem with them for years. There is a vast amount of good coverage of the cricket and not a single writer is ...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:59 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Have calmed down now after getting irrationality angry at that. Now been replaced by the warm nostalgia of the 90's. Was at Old Trafford on Friday for the Lands/Derbyshire 20:20. Only hit and giggle but Butler was hitting beautifully before getting out for forty odd. Needs to come in as he can't do...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:55 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool
Replies: 108
Views: 8133

Re: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool

Got no problem with them earning the money, they work hard and go through often grueling injury layoffs and dips in form in what can be a short career due to the demanding nature. No, my problem is that very few clubs, provinces and unions can afford that type of crazy money. That is a valid concer...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:53 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

I'm really struggling to parse your question. But as it is, you're utterly convinced that England's approach on the first day was due to tiredness, and despite the bowling attack looking anything but tired on the first day you're sticking to your theory. How do you know bowlers lose pace in the fir...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:49 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Looks like McGrath with 8-38. I was there for that match. I seem to recall that was also the first Lions test of the 1997 series, and most of the stands emptied as people went to stand at the bar to watch on the small TVs from 20ft or more back, being a kid and not being very tall anyway I didn't s...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:42 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

They'd have to be properly knackered - like 2 days in the field knackered - to lose their line and length that consistently (it's the consistency of it that's the issue here). What you will normally see is bowlers keeping their accuracy but the speeds being well down. This has happened to Broad a l...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:34 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Their pace was normal - the first thing affected by tiredness, not the length of the delivery - and they managed to find the right length after the morning session then bowled to a (bad) plan after tea where Cook ended up with 6 men on the boundary to a tail ender. Even Broad admitted they simply g...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:24 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Bowler fatigue is definitely going to be an issue - this is a ridiculous schedule - but my point is there was no evidence on day 1 of this Test match that the bowlers were tired. I am not arguing that they didn't bowl a lot in the previous match. I am saying they did not look tired on day 1. There ...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:17 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool
Replies: 108
Views: 8133

Re: Toulon offer €1.7m to Fulool

Unless there's a very recent change whilst the T14 has a cap of sorts if an outside body makes payment to a player it doesn't have to be considered when compiling the cap at club level. I'll give the French they're more open about abusing the cap than we are.
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:13 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

There's zero evidence on day one that the bowlers were tired, though. Three days earlier they'd just finished bowling between 50 and 60 overs each. Difficult to know what you envisage evidence to look like if you're going to ignore such. I suppose one could note it's only the 2nd game of the series...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:08 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Heineken Cup Mark2 AKA Rugby Champions Cup
Replies: 133
Views: 4744

Re: Heineken Cup Mark2 AKA Rugby Champions Cup

Raggs is quite right, if a player is registered as marquee but not a marquee signing for the whole duration of their contract then their salary is averaged out for the purposes of the salary cap in any year they're not a marquee signing, tbh I don't recall that rule not being in place but I suppose ...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:55 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

The point is winning the toss and bowling first provided the best chance of victory. I'm not about to start whataboutery about every batsman on either side, but it's disingenuous to ignore England's collective failure to exploit the conditions with the ball . Not in terms of not taking wickets - of...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:46 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

That's the same with Australia as test players might only play a couple of Shield games a season so you get players labelled as potential captains at a young age and learn off the current captain (Michael Clarke having played under Waugh and Ponting). There are suggestions that Smith is the next in...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:36 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

You don't rock up to a green top at Lord's and decide to bat first. It's the rarest of rare opportunities, England were right to try and take it, and wrong to not bowl the right length to take advantage of it. You only have to look at Kumar's impact in slightly less helpful conditions to see what p...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:10 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

As an aside, the "bowling first" argument is hilarious - the only objections to it I've read anywhere have been OomPB's, with the benefit of hindsight. Every journalist, commentator, ex-player, and opposing captain thought it was the right call (Dhoni said he'd have bowled as well). And the conditi...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:56 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

If Bell was such a good captain he would be in charge now or done a stint. One of the downsides to team England and the lack of County cricket is it removes chances to captain in the longer domestic first-class game. There are positives of course, but we are left picking on a player's form over the...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:53 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

JM2K6 statisticly ment IF my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. He just dont want to acknowledge that the captain dont have faith in his batting and gave the momemtum to India from day 1. I'm not sure that's entirely fair as there were good reasons for bowling first, though we're now seeing some of...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:30 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

It's a shame that when it comes to the language of sport you're dyslexic. Bowling first was the right call on this wicket, and the success England had in the single session that they used the conditions correctly showed that. In the session that England did well we should really acknowledge that In...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:27 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

I actually think it has been a good pitch for a good test, the shame is England have not performed well on it whereas India have bowled better and in the right areas. Pitch has offered something to the bowlers whilst not being impossible to bat on. And it's made it into the 5th day with nine perhap...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:16 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

It's a shame that when it comes to the language of sport you're dyslexic. Bowling first was the right call on this wicket, and the success England had in the single session that they used the conditions correctly showed that. In the session that England did well we should really acknowledge that In...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:12 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

Bowling first look like the right one watching the scores? Hard to say really, England didn't actually bowl very well so bowling first might have been the right option and we just executed the skills poorly. I was against bowling first as our seamers had only had 3 days rest after finishing nearly ...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:04 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

The pitch have eased out completely after been unplayable on day 1. England should win this one with ease after they bowled out India for that low total on Day1. Odd really that the team batting first didn't have too bad a time of if, whilst the team batting last now have to make do with variable b...
by piquant
Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:35 am
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: Heineken Cup Mark2 AKA Rugby Champions Cup
Replies: 133
Views: 4744

Re: Heineken Cup Mark2 AKA Rugby Champions Cup

Irish provinces total playing budgets for 4 teams in 2012/13 was E32million. There is no competition. Only one of the french or English teams listed operated on a budget less than our provinces did in 2012 Straight off those figures are comparing apples and oranges, funding for the Irish provinces/...
by piquant
Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:03 pm
Forum: Rugby Forum
Topic: England vs India 2nd Test Lords
Replies: 692
Views: 23371

Re: England vs India 2nd Test Lords

I think it is time for Cook to relieve himself of the former so he can save preserve himself as the latter. cook is still worth his place in the team but has never really looked a natural captain and after the ashes beatings and this winless run, on top of his form issues, then the pressure must be...