OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

[piquant]

However much brexiters are derided by remainers regarding unicorns and believing lies fornthe economic effect of brexit, the exact same level of ignorance is displayed on the remainer side re ‘things will be worse and more expensive for the uk consumer’. There is always this assumption that joe public will simply end up paying more, not realising that there are certain price elasticities and alternatives available for any product or service.
I for one am looking forward to buying more food from outside the Eu that will sometimes be cheaper and just as good quality as the overpriced EU equivalent , ditto cars etc

There may even be a backlash against french cars or Irish beef or french cheese by certain sections of the Uk public, once lockdown ends.

Brits on food eh

Anti-elitist Brexitists bragging about eating in Michelin starred restaurants one minute and blind to the simple benefits of quality FRESH ingredients on tap.

Always looking for a silly, nationalist edge.

Fact is Brexit is fucki ng fresh food supply chains - which benefit all Europeans.

Brits in choosing "sovereignty" over decent food and close trading relations with their neighbours.

There are literally no downsides to adding hugely to food miles in an age with no concerns around pollutants and climate change. We should all see this as a marvel and wonder at it's conception and inception

[RodneyRegis]

However much brexiters are derided by remainers regarding unicorns and believing lies fornthe economic effect of brexit, the exact same level of ignorance is displayed on the remainer side re ‘things will be worse and more expensive for the uk consumer’. There is always this assumption that joe public will simply end up paying more, not realising that there are certain price elasticities and alternatives available for any product or service.
I for one am looking forward to buying more food from outside the Eu that will sometimes be cheaper and just as good quality as the overpriced EU equivalent , ditto cars etc

There may even be a backlash against french cars or Irish beef or french cheese by certain sections of the Uk public, once lockdown ends.

Brits on food eh

Anti-elitist Brexitists bragging about eating in Michelin starred restaurants one minute and blind to the simple benefits of quality FRESH ingredients on tap.

Always looking for a silly, nationalist edge.

Fact is Brexit is fucki ng fresh food supply chains - which benefit all Europeans.

Brits in choosing "sovereignty" over decent food and close trading relations with their neighbours.

There are literally no downsides to adding hugely to food miles in an age with no concerns around pollutants and climate change. We should all see this as a marvel and wonder at it's conception and inception

Food miles ffs. Guessing you only eat turnips?

[bimboman]

bimboman » 13 Jan 2021 14:30

Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑13 Jan 2021 14:29
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑13 Jan 2021 13:38
They might buy parts in Europe or the UK cheaper. These are always increases.
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No cheaper than they could have last year though, eh.


Who knows, however in the short term this is bad for German manufacturing base by the looks of it. Let’s hope it gets sorted soon.
At least not cheaper because of Brexit we can safely say.

It may well become cheaper,

Tempt me with that unicorn.

How will a part be manufactured in the UK or the EU become cheaper specifically because of Brexit and how soon.

I could postulate but interested to hear your view.

How’s about weaker pound than five years ago makes the widget made in UK cheaper?
Oh, and the staff there cheaper vis workshy frogs,micks, wops and dagos

Frogs work more productively than thick Brexitists which gives them more leisure time.

If you take out all the paper cost and bloated admin that a french worker incurs forntheir enployer, this is patently not true. Job mobility is far less in France than uk and you get far more frenchies doing empty roles sitting on their arses, notngetting anything done but being measured as productive output as being greater than a country that uses contractors more like Uk or especially USA.

Productivity is a huge topic , and if shorter hours but higher wages alone is the measure then yes France is ahead of uk by quite some way.

The French studies are all based upon reported hours which private companies all report as the legal amounts allowed (ie 35 hour weeks) the French really work as many hours as the rest of us and are about as productive.

[bimboman]

However much brexiters are derided by remainers regarding unicorns and believing lies fornthe economic effect of brexit, the exact same level of ignorance is displayed on the remainer side re ‘things will be worse and more expensive for the uk consumer’. There is always this assumption that joe public will simply end up paying more, not realising that there are certain price elasticities and alternatives available for any product or service.
I for one am looking forward to buying more food from outside the Eu that will sometimes be cheaper and just as good quality as the overpriced EU equivalent , ditto cars etc

There may even be a backlash against french cars or Irish beef or french cheese by certain sections of the Uk public, once lockdown ends.

Brits on food eh

Anti-elitist Brexitists bragging about eating in Michelin starred restaurants one minute and blind to the simple benefits of quality FRESH ingredients on tap.

Always looking for a silly, nationalist edge.

Fact is Brexit is fucki ng fresh food supply chains - which benefit all Europeans.

Brits in choosing "sovereignty" over decent food and close trading relations with their neighbours.

There are literally no downsides to adding hugely to food miles in an age with no concerns around pollutants and climate change. We should all see this as a marvel and wonder at it's conception and inception

An absolute myth if you count the nitrogen and industry required to grow a similar product in the wrong place. Lincolnshire is great for Spuds but a very inefficient place to grow green beans.

[piquant]

However much brexiters are derided by remainers regarding unicorns and believing lies fornthe economic effect of brexit, the exact same level of ignorance is displayed on the remainer side re ‘things will be worse and more expensive for the uk consumer’. There is always this assumption that joe public will simply end up paying more, not realising that there are certain price elasticities and alternatives available for any product or service.
I for one am looking forward to buying more food from outside the Eu that will sometimes be cheaper and just as good quality as the overpriced EU equivalent , ditto cars etc

There may even be a backlash against french cars or Irish beef or french cheese by certain sections of the Uk public, once lockdown ends.

Brits on food eh

Anti-elitist Brexitists bragging about eating in Michelin starred restaurants one minute and blind to the simple benefits of quality FRESH ingredients on tap.

Always looking for a silly, nationalist edge.

Fact is Brexit is fucki ng fresh food supply chains - which benefit all Europeans.

Brits in choosing "sovereignty" over decent food and close trading relations with their neighbours.

There are literally no downsides to adding hugely to food miles in an age with no concerns around pollutants and climate change. We should all see this as a marvel and wonder at it's conception and inception

Food miles ffs. Guessing you only eat turnips?

No, but it's not something we should be wanting to add too where it palpably makes no sodding sense. And the carbon and heavy metal footprint and the like isn't nothing in the wide world of transport. Though I suppose if it were noted it's an issue to take seriously we'll just keep some further variant on project fear, and the continued notion if you refuse to look at problems they can't be real

And Brexit is going to keep running against this sort of issue because it's nowhere close to a joined up piece of thinking.

[bimboman]

Growing the right products in the right place and the efficiency that brings is a massive benefit to humans and one of the larger factors in how we now feed 7 billion people. By any measure if you include the need for industrial nitrogen it’s also eco friendly.

It’s practically Luddite to argue against the globalisation of food.

[message #2527204]

However much brexiters are derided by remainers regarding unicorns and believing lies fornthe economic effect of brexit, the exact same level of ignorance is displayed on the remainer side re ‘things will be worse and more expensive for the uk consumer’. There is always this assumption that joe public will simply end up paying more, not realising that there are certain price elasticities and alternatives available for any product or service.
I for one am looking forward to buying more food from outside the Eu that will sometimes be cheaper and just as good quality as the overpriced EU equivalent , ditto cars etc

There may even be a backlash against french cars or Irish beef or french cheese by certain sections of the Uk public, once lockdown ends.

Brits on food eh

Anti-elitist Brexitists bragging about eating in Michelin starred restaurants one minute and blind to the simple benefits of quality FRESH ingredients on tap.

Always looking for a silly, nationalist edge.

Fact is Brexit is fucki ng fresh food supply chains - which benefit all Europeans.

Brits in choosing "sovereignty" over decent food and close trading relations with their neighbours.

There are literally no downsides to adding hugely to food miles in an age with no concerns around pollutants and climate change. We should all see this as a marvel and wonder at it's conception and inception

And this is the UKs fault? The EU is imposing these conditions.

[Sawtooth the Beaver]

As long as tempered with a move to seasonal eating and caveated by methods of transportation.

[Gavin Duffy]

Growing the right products in the right place and the efficiency that brings is a massive benefit to humans and one of the larger factors in how we now feed 7 billion people. By any measure if you include the need for industrial nitrogen it’s also eco friendly.

It’s practically Luddite to argue against the globalisation of food.

Is there no subject you know anything about? You're a true polymoron.

[bimboman]

Growing the right products in the right place and the efficiency that brings is a massive benefit to humans and one of the larger factors in how we now feed 7 billion people. By any measure if you include the need for industrial nitrogen it’s also eco friendly.

It’s practically Luddite to argue against the globalisation of food.

Is there no subject you know anything about? You're a true polymoron.

I work in food logistics and storage, I’ve had to present on these issues.

That you’re stupid isn’t my concern.

[bimboman]

As long as tempered with a move to seasonal eating and caveated by methods of transportation.

The UK would starve is we attempted this.

[YOYO]

What do you say??

The two lives of Ian Perkes. The before / after Brexit Ian Perkes. Astonishing.

https://twitter.com/jim_cornelius/statu ... 95396?s=21

[Sawtooth the Beaver]

Post by bimboman » 13 Jan 2021 23:06

Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑13 Jan 2021 22:27
As long as tempered with a move to seasonal eating and caveated by methods of transportation.

The UK would starve is we attempted this.

you said it

[YOYO]

Seems like the Micks and Biden have been placated, is it’s just the French Fish to fry.

Anyone with a trading screen seeing how this news has been received by the markets? Bimbo ?

Ah, UK going for the trifecta of bummings !

You think today’s agreement is a Bumming ? , EU backed down on your behalf. We won’t be hearing from Coveney any more at least.

We will sell our fish and have an independent level playing field adjudication. Job done.

What was that bimbo??

[RodneyRegis]

What do you say??

The two lives of Ian Perkes. The before / after Brexit Ian Perkes. Astonishing.

https://twitter.com/jim_cornelius/statu ... 95396?s=21

Astonishing. I thought we were going to build the boats overnight.

If only there was some kind of transition period.

[YOYO]

What do you say??

The two lives of Ian Perkes. The before / after Brexit Ian Perkes. Astonishing.

https://twitter.com/jim_cornelius/statu ... 95396?s=21

Astonishing. I thought we were going to build the boats overnight.

If only there was some kind of transition period.

Astonishing that people could be so easily fooled. Lack of critical thinking en masse

No doubt the UK can build the infrastructure to fish extensively your own waters but the these early years are going to be tough.

[message #2527204]

What do you say??

The two lives of Ian Perkes. The before / after Brexit Ian Perkes. Astonishing.

https://twitter.com/jim_cornelius/statu ... 95396?s=21

Astonishing. I thought we were going to build the boats overnight.

If only there was some kind of transition period.

Astonishing that people could be so easily fooled. Lack of critical thinking in masses.

No doubt the UK can build the infrastructure to fish extensively your own waters but the these early years are going to be tough.

There's no change for 5.5 years

[RodneyRegis]

What do you say??

The two lives of Ian Perkes. The before / after Brexit Ian Perkes. Astonishing.

https://twitter.com/jim_cornelius/statu ... 95396?s=21

Astonishing. I thought we were going to build the boats overnight.

If only there was some kind of transition period.

Astonishing that people could be so easily fooled. Lack of critical thinking in masses.

No doubt the UK can build the infrastructure to fish extensively your own waters but the these early years are going to be tough.

There's no change for 5.5 years

But the paperwork!!!

[mdaclarke]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... sh-drivers



I wouldn't let them take it, I'd scoff the lot!!!

I didn't vote for this.

When they told me the economy would fall off a cliff and we'd be thousands of pounds worse off I took it in my stride, but this is too much. Nobody told me they'd take our sandwiches.

Enjoying MrJamesOB at the moment, he's in fine fettle.

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/13 ... 3254756352
"Freedom of movement gone, you never thought about that did you!"

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/13 ... 3779613698
No reports from English fishermen then?

All the James O'Brien/Guardian types don;t get it. They say there is no benefits etc etc etc. The don;t seem to realise that for many people outside London the end of freedom of movement is the most important thing.

They are making the same mistake again (failing to understand what motivates brexiteers)

[YOYO]

What do you say??

The two lives of Ian Perkes. The before / after Brexit Ian Perkes. Astonishing.

https://twitter.com/jim_cornelius/statu ... 95396?s=21

Astonishing. I thought we were going to build the boats overnight.

If only there was some kind of transition period.

Astonishing that people could be so easily fooled. Lack of critical thinking in masses.

No doubt the UK can build the infrastructure to fish extensively your own waters but the these early years are going to be tough.

There's no change for 5.5 years

But the paperwork!!!

That was in my thoughts. Right now, that’s the issue.

[RodneyRegis]

Astonishing. I thought we were going to build the boats overnight.

If only there was some kind of transition period.

Astonishing that people could be so easily fooled. Lack of critical thinking in masses.

No doubt the UK can build the infrastructure to fish extensively your own waters but the these early years are going to be tough.

There's no change for 5.5 years

But the paperwork!!!

That was in my thoughts. Right now, that’s the issue.

"Right now"

At the sake of repeating myself, do you think that guy is sitting down with his biro and filling in forms? Or do you think they will be automated and this is a short-term issue?

[piquant]

However much brexiters are derided by remainers regarding unicorns and believing lies fornthe economic effect of brexit, the exact same level of ignorance is displayed on the remainer side re ‘things will be worse and more expensive for the uk consumer’. There is always this assumption that joe public will simply end up paying more, not realising that there are certain price elasticities and alternatives available for any product or service.
I for one am looking forward to buying more food from outside the Eu that will sometimes be cheaper and just as good quality as the overpriced EU equivalent , ditto cars etc

There may even be a backlash against french cars or Irish beef or french cheese by certain sections of the Uk public, once lockdown ends.

Brits on food eh

Anti-elitist Brexitists bragging about eating in Michelin starred restaurants one minute and blind to the simple benefits of quality FRESH ingredients on tap.

Always looking for a silly, nationalist edge.

Fact is Brexit is fucki ng fresh food supply chains - which benefit all Europeans.

Brits in choosing "sovereignty" over decent food and close trading relations with their neighbours.

There are literally no downsides to adding hugely to food miles in an age with no concerns around pollutants and climate change. We should all see this as a marvel and wonder at it's conception and inception

And this is the UKs fault? The EU is imposing these conditions.

The EU is responding to the UK leaving, which the UK didn't have to do.

That said there is a problem to increasing food miles, we needed action on the levels we already had whilst in the EU, and that action is now perhaps even harder to take. We shall wait to see if team Brexit has any answers

[RodneyRegis]

However much brexiters are derided by remainers regarding unicorns and believing lies fornthe economic effect of brexit, the exact same level of ignorance is displayed on the remainer side re ‘things will be worse and more expensive for the uk consumer’. There is always this assumption that joe public will simply end up paying more, not realising that there are certain price elasticities and alternatives available for any product or service.
I for one am looking forward to buying more food from outside the Eu that will sometimes be cheaper and just as good quality as the overpriced EU equivalent , ditto cars etc

There may even be a backlash against french cars or Irish beef or french cheese by certain sections of the Uk public, once lockdown ends.

Brits on food eh

Anti-elitist Brexitists bragging about eating in Michelin starred restaurants one minute and blind to the simple benefits of quality FRESH ingredients on tap.

Always looking for a silly, nationalist edge.

Fact is Brexit is fucki ng fresh food supply chains - which benefit all Europeans.

Brits in choosing "sovereignty" over decent food and close trading relations with their neighbours.

There are literally no downsides to adding hugely to food miles in an age with no concerns around pollutants and climate change. We should all see this as a marvel and wonder at it's conception and inception

And this is the UKs fault? The EU is imposing these conditions.

The EU is responding to the UK leaving, which the UK didn't have to do.

That said there is a problem to increasing food miles, we needed action on the levels we already had whilst in the EU, and that action is now perhaps even harder to take. We shall wait to see if team Brexit has any answers

Imagine how quickly we'll reduce food miles if we starve everybody?

[Sawtooth the Beaver]

Good plan. Starting with NI. Govt got the memo.

[lemonhead]

Vicky Prentis really should avoid media gigs.

[YOYO]

If you want to get first hand idea of the current trading issues encountered in the UK post Brexit this this a good source. Listened to about 30 mins yesterday. Someone tweeted this link.

Interesting a lots of discussion about issues getting goods to NI, and the ROI to. How previously fine supply chain methods no longer good enough to supply JIT requirements.. computer systems not suitable and so on.

Future Relationship with the European Union Committee
https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Ind ... b3cf1c5cce

[bimboman]

“Who will make my latte In Pret”


“But the food miles darling , think of the planet, quinoa salad with avocado please “

[YOYO]

Very interesting viewing,

The reoccurring theme is the bureaucracy, paperwork,red tape, manual processes, computer systems not aligned and new costs and overheads involved.
The rules of origin is causing mayhem too.

Is the WA being changed? Because these people seem to think the the EU will need to change the WA to fix some of these issues! The penny dropping that the UK is a 3rd country and that’s how EU trading works for all 3rd countries.

Sounds fairly chaotic.

[bimboman]

Very interesting viewing,

The reoccurring theme is the bureaucracy, paperwork,red tape, manual processes, computer systems not aligned and new costs and overheads involved.
The rules of origin is causing mayhem too.

Sounds fairly chaotic.

It really isn’t .....

Technology is great, most of the paper work is now automated by the forwarder from the systems they were already using. Of course Ireland have few concerns about RoO because they just launder the cash not actually make anything.

[YOYO]

Very interesting viewing,

The reoccurring theme is the bureaucracy, paperwork,red tape, manual processes, computer systems not aligned and new costs and overheads involved.
The rules of origin is causing mayhem too.

Sounds fairly chaotic.

It really isn’t .....

Technology is great, most of the paper work is now automated by the forwarder from the systems they were already using. Of course Ireland have few concerns about RoO because they just launder the cash not actually make anything.

Maybe the the large sophisticated companies like Unilever, but no, it’s not working smoothly at all.
I suggest to watch that recording from yesterday.

No need to be spiteful about the ROI. They did comment how ROI warehousing and distribution companies working for the supermarkets here are doing a great job. They’re managing the impact of the the UK generated issues very well apparently.
Remember the UK has a trading surplus with the ROI. We’re your 5th biggest trading partner in the world. You really don’t want to mess that up now.

[backrow]

Very interesting viewing,

The reoccurring theme is the bureaucracy, paperwork,red tape, manual processes, computer systems not aligned and new costs and overheads involved.
The rules of origin is causing mayhem too.

Sounds fairly chaotic.

It really isn’t .....

Technology is great, most of the paper work is now automated by the forwarder from the systems they were already using. Of course Ireland have few concerns about RoO because they just launder the cash not actually make anything.

Maybe the the large sophisticated companies like Unilever, but no, it’s not working smoothly at all.
I suggest to watch that recording from yesterday.

No need to be spiteful about the ROI. They did comment how ROI warehousing and distribution companies working for the supermarkets here are doing a great job. They’re managing the impact of the the UK generated issues very well apparently.
Remember the UK has a trading surplus with the ROI. We’re your 5th biggest trading partner in the world. You really don’t want to mess that up now.

And Eu has a trading surplus with the Uk, they don’t want to mess that up either.
As usual, you pick and choose what you consider important

[shereblue]

Growing the right products in the right place and the efficiency that brings is a massive benefit to humans and one of the larger factors in how we now feed 7 billion people. By any measure if you include the need for industrial nitrogen it’s also eco friendly.

It’s practically Luddite to argue against the globalisation of food.

Is there no subject you know anything about? You're a true polymoron.

What a beautiful compound word and also fine modern usage

[YOYO]

Having listened to a bit more of the parliament tv recording, at 11:23:56 one of the main logistics advisers on the call believes the best way to fix all the trading issues will be for the UK to move to a Theresa May Withdrawal Agreement.
He doesn’t actually say Theresa May Withdrawal Agreement but what he’s intimating.

[Sawtooth the Beaver]

Post by bimboman » 14 Jan 2021 09:55

“Who will make my latte In Pret”


“But the food miles darling , think of the planet, quinoa salad with avocado please “

Without quinoa salad with avocado would they starve?

It’s practically Luddite to argue against the globalisation of food.

[shereblue]

Very interesting viewing,

The reoccurring theme is the bureaucracy, paperwork,red tape, manual processes, computer systems not aligned and new costs and overheads involved.
The rules of origin is causing mayhem too.

Sounds fairly chaotic.

It really isn’t .....

Technology is great, most of the paper work is now automated by the forwarder from the systems they were already using. Of course Ireland have few concerns about RoO because they just launder the cash not actually make anything.

Maybe the the large sophisticated companies like Unilever, but no, it’s not working smoothly at all.
I suggest to watch that recording from yesterday.

No need to be spiteful about the ROI. They did comment how ROI warehousing and distribution companies working for the supermarkets here are doing a great job. They’re managing the impact of the the UK generated issues very well apparently.
Remember the UK has a trading surplus with the ROI. We’re your 5th biggest trading partner in the world. You really don’t want to mess that up now.

And Eu has a trading surplus with the Uk, they don’t want to mess that up either.
As usual, you pick and choose what you consider important

Similar export downsides for both Ireland and the UK shocker. That's called a "win" for Brit Brexitists.

Luckily the EU has your back, Irish brothers

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ir ... t-reserve/

[message #2527204]

Having listened to a bit more of the parliament tv recording, at 11:23:56 one of the main logistics advisers on the call believes the best way to fix all the trading issues will be for the UK to move to a Theresa May Withdrawal Agreement.
He doesn’t actually say Theresa May Withdrawal Agreement but what he’s intimating.

Remoaniacs got to remoan

[YOYO]

Having listened to a bit more of the parliament tv recording, at 11:23:56 one of the main logistics advisers on the call believes the best way to fix all the trading issues will be for the UK to move to a Theresa May Withdrawal Agreement.
He doesn’t actually say Theresa May Withdrawal Agreement but what he’s intimating.

Remoaniacs got to remoan

Is the “Future Relationship with the European Union Committee” made up of remainers?

[message #2527204]

Having listened to a bit more of the parliament tv recording, at 11:23:56 one of the main logistics advisers on the call believes the best way to fix all the trading issues will be for the UK to move to a Theresa May Withdrawal Agreement.
He doesn’t actually say Theresa May Withdrawal Agreement but what he’s intimating.

Remoaniacs got to remoan

Is the “Future Relationship with the European Union Committee” made up of remainers?

At least 50/50

[YOYO]

These are the 3 advisers to the committee. You can see they are finding post Brexit very tough going.

Stephen Phipson CBE, CEO, Make UK; Andrew Opie, Director, The British Retail Consortium; Ian Wright, CEO, Food and Drink Federation

[Sawtooth the Beaver]

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