Rugby NAMA thread Revisited Rugby

[Blackrock Bullet]

Government backbenchers are getting restless.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4492156

There is another article about the confused messaging and a loss if government confidence. You would nearly rub your eyes reading this stuff. The problem isn't clarity either as MM think he is being clear. The problem is the message is not one many people agree with it. I take the point many do but many of those aren't going to reward FF or FG at the end of all of this.

The public want more restrictions when they are scared of the virus, when that goes away they want things lifted.

They were demanding Zero Covid just as much in the U.K. a few weeks ago and now are cheering being able to go on summer holidays in a few months.

[Blackrock Bullet]

Expect a fight between NPHET and the government now . NPHET will want May.

NPHET will win as the media will side with them.

I don’t think NPHET are that stupid, they promised a 4 week lockdown and a nice Christmas in early October (funny that it ain’t brought up against them now...).

Another 6 weeks is bad enough, trying to tell people it’s another 10 only appeals to the really absolute Super Covider and Tomás Ryan

[CM11]

Expect a fight between NPHET and the government now . NPHET will want May.

NPHET will win as the media will side with them.

676 in hospital tonight, including 154 in ICU.

There are 387 general beds available in the system and 30 adult ICU beds.

This at what would normally be at the height of the "flu season", when the nurses union would be telling us all about overcrowded hospitals and numbers of patients on trolleys.

We wouldn't be at the height of the flu season at all anymore.

Think it's been mentioned that there's loads of public patients in private hospitals. They're certainly starting to refill the public hospitals though. For example there were 1846 covid patients a month ago and more free beds than today.

Good to see the continuing reduction, will hopefully get close to 500 before we stall again at the weekend.

[iarmhiman]

Need to get those quarantine hotels up and running.

Students and permanent residents from Brazil coming now in bigger numbers as they know they have to pay for hotel in 2 weeks

[camroc1]

My father got his first dose on Saturday and is as frisky as a spring lamb waiting a week before he can go full on socialising again. This is a 91 year old. Once the over 70/65/60's get their injection, there is really little need for any sort of lockdown.

[iarmhiman]

My father got his first dose on Saturday and is as frisky as a spring lamb waiting a week before he can go full on socialising again. This is a 91 year old. Once the over 70/65/60's get their injection, there is really little need for any sort of lockdown.

And there won't be.

However, if you were the government would you make a brave call like Boris did today considering our rollout is a lot slower?

[EverReady]

He added that Ireland needed to take care over the next few weeks as we are in a very difficult situation.

Good to know.

Bullet the October thing is probably the biggest scumbag thing NPHET did. They cheerleaded the lockdown with the Christmas sweeties. They knew and we knew what would happen after Christmas and still they led the more impressionable people in our society along and then after the whole lockdown done BANG landed the government in it by saying can't have both homes and hospitality. It was Machiavellian stuff but tbf NPHET have played the government like a fiddle and so much for Watt sorting them out. Since his pay thing became an issue he has been invisible.

[CM11]

Someone needs to do a montage of 'the next few weeks are critical' and send it on to NPHET and the government with a big STOP IT! label on the outside.

[ticketlessinseattle]

The general gist Mullet. We can't utter the exact same words right now but I can't imagine Martin ever saying words to the effect that we're going to open up even though we know it'll cause deaths given where we're at as a country run by social media.

You're wrong stats. Polls say people want to be locked up indefinitely.

I'd also be curious what any poll said yesterday after the told us hospitality is locked down until early autumn

[Mullet 2]

We're just very unfortunate that FF are on the way out, FG are the new party of the right and Sinn Fein are the new opposition who will likely win the next election.

Our government are terrified of Sinn Fein.

There is only one way Fine Gael or Fianna Fail can beat the shinners. They have to build lots and lots of houses. That's the only way to keep them out and keep them at arms length.

SF is held together with tape. In the last Ireland thinks 25% of their voters identified as far right with 33% saying far left. .
Holding those wings in opposition is fine but like Labour before them a term in office would see them drop like a stone.

[ticketlessinseattle]

If that's the lead UK are going to take, I bet we'll wait until both the US and EU have also made that strategic decision before making it ourselves ie last in line

We are politically paralysed. The same idiots voicing their support for perpetual lockdown will be the first to crucify the government for the worst recession in the history of western civilisation which is imminent.

Well if we respond in parallel with the UK, we'll rebound pretty quickly.

We need to bend over and beg the UK for some of their stock. Give them whatever NI shite they want and watch the Shinners explode

millennial non UK national insurance card holders ! I;ll be digging mine up at this rate and taking the ferry like its 1984

[Mullet 2]

Bye

[ticketlessinseattle]

Government backbenchers are getting restless.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4492156

There is another article about the confused messaging and a loss if government confidence. You would nearly rub your eyes reading this stuff. The problem isn't clarity either as MM think he is being clear. The problem is the message is not one many people agree with it. I take the point many do but many of those aren't going to reward FF or FG at the end of all of this.

what do you mean lack of clarity, on Sunday they were saying we need to be in level 5 until early May, last night they said April ; Norma foley saying schools are back baby, Stephen Donnelly is saying nahhhh (missus was telling me the last part, I can't watch this shite anymore)

[CM11]

There's what the government want to do and there's what NPHET wants to do. With regards schools, the government haven't a hope to be able to go behind NPHET's back as the unions wouldn't allow it. And most other items, public opinion would further crucify the government if they ignored public health advice.

NPHET have them by the balls unfortunately and the zero Covid group are twisting the screw.

[Blackrock Bullet]

From the noises from the backbenchers posted by Cam, you'd expect some relief to the 5km rule by Easter at the latest - that's the one that rural Ireland hates. Construction to be fully opened then as well. Absolutely crap but there we are. If they are smart, put in outdoors sports there like the UK for Easter too.

May opening for non essential retail and maybe just maybe outdoor dining, if we are lucky.

We should have the at risk population done by the end of April if J&J can get us a hundred thousand doses by the end of that month.

Of course it will still take some levelling with the public on trade offs like those UK comments there yesterday. There will still be some people getting sick and dying from Covid, but the hospitals being overrun issue will be gone and that is all that matters.

The UK approach is still very very conservative, they might have cover here for another 2-3 weeks beyond them lifting stuff here with the slower vaccine pace but the important piece remains the at risk.

[Leinsterman]

We're just very unfortunate that FF are on the way out, FG are the new party of the right and Sinn Fein are the new opposition who will likely win the next election.

Our government are terrified of Sinn Fein.

There is only one way Fine Gael or Fianna Fail can beat the shinners. They have to build lots and lots of houses. That's the only way to keep them out and keep them at arms length.

SF is held together with tape. In the last Ireland thinks 25% of their voters identified as far right with 33% saying far left. .
Holding those wings in opposition is fine but like Labour before them a term in office would see them drop like a stone.

Reckon then the country needs SF in power then so people can see through them and then they'll suffer next time around? Seems risky though. They could be very good at playing the "it was broken when we got in, what do you expect us to do..." card like up in NI. I know NI is a completely different kettle of fish but they do absolutely nothing up there yet people keep voting for them.

[Mullet 2]

I think a term in Government would be a disaster.

But I do think it would hole them because the people who support them always want the easy solution. The first time they make a hard choice the support starts to drip away.

[lorcanoworms]

Studies in Scotland and elsewhere seem to suggest you need the second jab within a month.

For which vaccine and for what outcome?

It was on BBC news at lunch time, said that Astra went down to about 65% efficacy at a month.
They also said there were similar National studies abroad that found the same, but they did not specify which drugs abroad.

[Leinsterman]

I think a term in Government would be a disaster.

But I do think it would hole them because the people who support them always want the easy solution. The first time they make a hard choice the support starts to drip away.

What's infuriating is the different cohorts who supposedly support them:
1. Traditional shinners (quite a small %)
2. people who want free houses
3. People who seem to have drifted away from other left wing parties like Labour
4. a whole tranche of young people who are late teens through to early 30s who have been indoctrinated online but also believe that this lot "can't be any worse than the others" so will vote for them on that basis

The in-laws were telling me a story of when they visited the BIL and he had some friends over. Trinity graduates in their late 20s - came from well-off backgrounds but were still scratching their holes. One of them was saying she would have to emigrate because she wanted to be an actress but "wasn't getting a fair deal in terms of parts" and "can't afford a house here because of the corruption..."
The usual stuff.
All the rest of them with similar moans, sitting nodding at each other.
Meanwhile the in-laws said nothing and rolled their eyes.

[normilet]

I think a term in Government would be a disaster.

But I do think it would hole them because the people who support them always want the easy solution. The first time they make a hard choice the support starts to drip away.

What's infuriating is the different cohorts who supposedly support them:
1. Traditional shinners (quite a small %)
2. people who want free houses
3. People who seem to have drifted away from other left wing parties like Labour
4. a whole tranche of young people who are late teens through to early 30s who have been indoctrinated online but also believe that this lot "can't be any worse than the others" so will vote for them on that basis

The in-laws were telling me a story of when they visited the BIL and he had some friends over. Trinity graduates in their late 20s - came from well-off backgrounds but were still scratching their holes. One of them was saying she would have to emigrate because she wanted to be an actress but "wasn't getting a fair deal in terms of parts" and "can't afford a house here because of the corruption..."
The usual stuff.
All the rest of them with similar moans, sitting nodding at each other.
Meanwhile the in-laws said nothing and rolled their eyes.

Those parts right there. That's the sh*t that was constantly being spouted in or around election time by people I would have otherwise considered to be relatively intelligent.

[Evil_G]

Studies in Scotland and elsewhere seem to suggest you need the second jab within a month.

For which vaccine and for what outcome?

It was on BBC news at lunch time, said that Astra went down to about 65% efficacy at a month.
They also said there were similar National studies abroad that found the same, but they did not specify which drugs abroad.

Pretty sure you've got that completely arseways:

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n32 ... 069.7%25).

[lorcanoworms]

Scottish national study does not agree, and is recommending the second jab as soon as possible.
Ok the study itself shows happy and the news crew only mentioning the gloomy bits.
https://www.strath.ac.uk/whystrathclyde ... ysuggests/

[anonymous_joe]

I think a term in Government would be a disaster.

But I do think it would hole them because the people who support them always want the easy solution. The first time they make a hard choice the support starts to drip away.

What's infuriating is the different cohorts who supposedly support them:
1. Traditional shinners (quite a small %)
2. people who want free houses
3. People who seem to have drifted away from other left wing parties like Labour
4. a whole tranche of young people who are late teens through to early 30s who have been indoctrinated online but also believe that this lot "can't be any worse than the others" so will vote for them on that basis

The in-laws were telling me a story of when they visited the BIL and he had some friends over. Trinity graduates in their late 20s - came from well-off backgrounds but were still scratching their holes. One of them was saying she would have to emigrate because she wanted to be an actress but "wasn't getting a fair deal in terms of parts" and "can't afford a house here because of the corruption..."
The usual stuff.
All the rest of them with similar moans, sitting nodding at each other.
Meanwhile the in-laws said nothing and rolled their eyes.

I vaguely knew a lad who was an actor, friend of a friend of a friend type thing. He was doing the usual thing of working in bars, waiting tables, etc, whilst building a career. Actually ended up with a great role in something that paid really well for a while. Then that ended.

Who wants to be an unemployed actor in their 30s? It's mad shíte.

I had a cousin who flirted with the idea years ago and was bluntly told not to bother as red-haired people won't get work outside Ireland and Scotland. How anybody thinks they've a chance of making it is beyond me.

[EverReady]

Same as in have known a few and it's a shit gig. Know one exactly like yours recently. Had a big gig in RTE. Was getting smaller parts off that and was flying. Got killed off and it all dried up. Was doing some writing and that then dried up. He is without work now for ages not aided by covid of course

[anonymous_joe]

Same as in have known a few and it's a shit gig. Know one exactly like yours recently. Had a big gig in RTE. Was getting smaller parts off that and was flying. Got killed off and it all dried up. Was doing some writing and that then dried up. He is without work now for ages not aided by covid of course

It's an objectively terrible job. Makes building a practice in my game look easy.

I always feel sorry for kids who are misled into thinking that acting, music, etc, are viable careers. Your as likely to make it as a professional footballer, but most of us realised that wasn't going to happen by the time we were seven.

[lorcanoworms]

Sons friend went to France for yet more Cheffy training.
He got a role on a soap years ago all he did was wipe wine glasses with a cloth and hold them up to the light.
Has a very good number now in product development with food companies.

[Leinsterman]

I had a cousin who flirted with the idea years ago and was bluntly told not to bother as red-haired people won't get work outside Ireland and Scotland. How anybody thinks they've a chance of making it is beyond me.

The problem is that not enough parents are blunt enough to tell the kids they should focus on something else.
"Listen, you don't have a fúcking note in your head, don't bother going on X Factor. Get a decent degree instead..."

Oh no, it's "oh follow your dreams darling, we believe in you"

[CM11]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RiochtConor2 ... 1483539460

[CM11]

I had a cousin who flirted with the idea years ago and was bluntly told not to bother as red-haired people won't get work outside Ireland and Scotland. How anybody thinks they've a chance of making it is beyond me.

The problem is that not enough parents are blunt enough to tell the kids they should focus on something else.
"Listen, you don't have a fúcking note in your head, don't bother going on X Factor. Get a decent degree instead..."

Oh no, it's "oh follow your dreams darling, we believe in you"

Bit of an overshoot from the more authoritarian age we grew up in I guess. Everything is about saying yes to kids these days.

[Gavin Duffy]

I wanted to be an archaeologist, my parents told me to f*ck off.

[ticketlessinseattle]

summer being a brickies mate in Landan tawn would have sorted that out

[Mullet 2]

I think a term in Government would be a disaster.

But I do think it would hole them because the people who support them always want the easy solution. The first time they make a hard choice the support starts to drip away.

What's infuriating is the different cohorts who supposedly support them:
1. Traditional shinners (quite a small %)
2. people who want free houses
3. People who seem to have drifted away from other left wing parties like Labour
4. a whole tranche of young people who are late teens through to early 30s who have been indoctrinated online but also believe that this lot "can't be any worse than the others" so will vote for them on that basis

The in-laws were telling me a story of when they visited the BIL and he had some friends over. Trinity graduates in their late 20s - came from well-off backgrounds but were still scratching their holes. One of them was saying she would have to emigrate because she wanted to be an actress but "wasn't getting a fair deal in terms of parts" and "can't afford a house here because of the corruption..."
The usual stuff.
All the rest of them with similar moans, sitting nodding at each other.
Meanwhile the in-laws said nothing and rolled their eyes.

Parente fault. Bizarre level of entitlement.

[danthefan]

I think a term in Government would be a disaster.

But I do think it would hole them because the people who support them always want the easy solution. The first time they make a hard choice the support starts to drip away.

What's infuriating is the different cohorts who supposedly support them:
1. Traditional shinners (quite a small %)
2. people who want free houses
3. People who seem to have drifted away from other left wing parties like Labour
4. a whole tranche of young people who are late teens through to early 30s who have been indoctrinated online but also believe that this lot "can't be any worse than the others" so will vote for them on that basis

The in-laws were telling me a story of when they visited the BIL and he had some friends over. Trinity graduates in their late 20s - came from well-off backgrounds but were still scratching their holes. One of them was saying she would have to emigrate because she wanted to be an actress but "wasn't getting a fair deal in terms of parts" and "can't afford a house here because of the corruption..."
The usual stuff.
All the rest of them with similar moans, sitting nodding at each other.
Meanwhile the in-laws said nothing and rolled their eyes.

There's a very big fifth tranche - right wing nationalist, scratch that racist loons who have no other part to rally around.

[feckwanker]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RiochtConor2 ... 1483539460

Sure he's some know-nothing no-one on the internet making up graphs - what would he know, etc, etc......

[feckwanker]

I think a term in Government would be a disaster.

But I do think it would hole them because the people who support them always want the easy solution. The first time they make a hard choice the support starts to drip away.

What's infuriating is the different cohorts who supposedly support them:
1. Traditional shinners (quite a small %)
2. people who want free houses
3. People who seem to have drifted away from other left wing parties like Labour
4. a whole tranche of young people who are late teens through to early 30s who have been indoctrinated online but also believe that this lot "can't be any worse than the others" so will vote for them on that basis

The in-laws were telling me a story of when they visited the BIL and he had some friends over. Trinity graduates in their late 20s - came from well-off backgrounds but were still scratching their holes. One of them was saying she would have to emigrate because she wanted to be an actress but "wasn't getting a fair deal in terms of parts" and "can't afford a house here because of the corruption..."
The usual stuff.
All the rest of them with similar moans, sitting nodding at each other.
Meanwhile the in-laws said nothing and rolled their eyes.

There's a very big fifth tranche - right wing nationalist, scratch that racist loons who have no other part to rally around.

A very weird situation where you're suggesting that extreme lefties (houses for all, universal income, tax the rich) and extreme right wingers are rowing in behind the same political party.

[Mullet 2]

I wanted to be an archaeologist, my parents told me to f*ck off.

Exactly I wanted to study history but I also wanted a job

[Mullet 2]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RiochtConor2 ... 1483539460

Sure he's some know-nothing no-one on the internet making up graphs - what would he know, etc, etc......

Somebody stop Government policy!!!

The lads have another excel graph by some random punter.

[CM11]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RiochtConor2 ... 1483539460

Sure he's some know-nothing no-one on the internet making up graphs - what would he know, etc, etc......

Somebody stop Government policy!!!

The lads have another excel graph by some random punter.

It's government policy to deliberately inflate covid figures at the weekend?

[Mullet 2]

He's not "suggesting" it, the numbers are from a poll.

But maybe if you stand in the carpark at the next Cumann meeting you can get a better handle on it.

[Mullet 2]

It's statto policy to create strawman after strawman?